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05-01-2020, 04:01 PM | #15841 |
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I'm sorry, I just don't believe the Ultimate Kuuga hype. A one off line whose power is never demonstrated is just not a pill I can swallow.
Kuuga showed us the power of Mighty and Amazing Mighty. They took out a city block, which is impressive. But unless there's something to Ultimate that makes it however many million times stronger, it's just tough to really believe. Ultimate never demonstrated any level of power, as it's only use was in a punch out that he barely won.
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05-01-2020, 05:37 PM | #15842 |
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I'm sorry, I just don't believe the Ultimate Kuuga hype. A one off line whose power is never demonstrated is just not a pill I can swallow.
Kuuga showed us the power of Mighty and Amazing Mighty. They took out a city block, which is impressive. But unless there's something to Ultimate that makes it however many million times stronger, it's just tough to really believe. Ultimate never demonstrated any level of power, as it's only use was in a punch out that he barely won. And I do like that Ultimate Kuuga is a "one off line", instead of the other Ultimate forms which has more screentime, which equals more getting their ass kicked by lesser enemies. Ultimate Kuuga's only purpose is to fight the ultimate enemy, and such power has to be hard obtained and only limitedly used (only in final episode), not freely spammed. |
05-01-2020, 06:19 PM | #15843 |
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It comes with the drastic trade off of seeming less like a powerful form, and more like someone trying to one up each others' OCs.
"Black RX has limitless power under the sun!" "J has unlimited power from the Earth!" "Yeah, well...Kuuga can just...Blow up the Earth, so he's best!" I'm a fan of show, don't tell. Kuuga's Ultimate form is the epitome of the exact opposite. We see it in one anticlimactic punch out that he barely scrapes by in. Meanwhile, we're told that he can just casually destroy the world. Additionally, it's only fight was against a villain who never displayed their power, either, as it was the only time Daguva participated in the plot. Kuuga's finale hinged not on how strong the characters were, but how strong everyone else said they were. Ultimate Kuuga's Ultimate Kick can wipe out the world and N-Daguva-Zeba killed off most of the Grongi tribes. There's absolutely no evidence of either, but as long as someone said it, it has to be true.
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05-01-2020, 06:37 PM | #15844 |
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Watching Kuuga via TokuSHOUTsu on PlutoTV.
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05-01-2020, 07:34 PM | #15845 |
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Oh my god good subs of Kuuga I literally want to cry right now aaaaaahhhhh!
Before: After: This is actually one of the crappy MCS conversations where the intent is more or less still there, too, so I mostly chose this one to illustrate just how hugely beneficial simply having the extra clarity and sounding-like-human-beings-talking is. The scenes that were straight up wrong are even better now. I've only skimmed through a few select episodes so far on ShoutFactoryTV, but this is a huge improvement. These subs are as legit as legit subs ought to be. The Grongi was translated though! I honestly consider that to be an error, so hopefully there's some version of this translation we'll be able to watch without spoiling things early for new viewers? But then I'd much rather they know too much than too little, so even then, these official subs are looking pretty definitive from what I've seen so far.
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05-01-2020, 09:02 PM | #15846 |
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Really excited for my future rewatch now. Very glad the official subs are good quality, and I hope that, should they come to DVD, we get the option to turn the Grongi subs off and on.
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05-02-2020, 12:00 AM | #15847 |
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I don't really see the Grongi being translated as that big a deal.
It's not like it spoils some major revelations. It just explains some of the more obtuse games some Grongi play, since "Become superior, kill humans" was basically the Grongi's MO the entire time, anyway.
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05-02-2020, 01:12 AM | #15848 |
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I saw 4 episodes of 1971 and 6 episodes of Kuuga, Kuuga's just as great as I remember but the OG is new territory for me, I'm surprised that the most iconic trio of mooks are spiders bats and cobras as Scorpion Man feels like an excellent dynamic to reuse, though I know Garagaranda's popular so I'll have to wait for that
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05-02-2020, 07:31 AM | #15849 |
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I don't really see the Grongi being translated as that big a deal.
It's not like it spoils some major revelations. It just explains some of the more obtuse games some Grongi play, since "Become superior, kill humans" was basically the Grongi's MO the entire time, anyway. Like, yeah, the spoilers are an aspect, and in terms of "plot" they don't give away too-too much, but here's the thing. Having them subbed for a first watch totally takes away one of the most interesting and unique aspects of Kuuga; its atmosphere and its air of mystery. I know you personally got nothing out of it, but I certainly did. Having an enemy force we knew basically nothing about, and that spoke a language we weren't meant to understand not only helped with the more grounded setting, but kept me interested in the Grongi as a whole. It was rather refreshing compared to all the other Toku shows I'd seen up to that point. So, if possible, I'd like first time viewers to be able to have a similar experience. Last edited by DreamSword; 05-02-2020 at 07:51 AM.. |
05-02-2020, 08:04 AM | #15850 |
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And part of the experience in first watching Kuuga was watching it over the span of 50 weeks, letting the mind think about the mystery rather than hard marathoning it over the course of one to two weeks.
I just feel that the idea of telling someone that there's a wrong way to watch the show because it's "Not how it was initially intended" is silly. Just imagine looking at things this way. You're a fledgling KR fan. Just started Zero-One, and began watching Kamen Rider (1971) a few weeks back, and now Shout released Kuuga. You select it, and you see 2 options in the menu. Full subbed and Grongi unsubbed. Being new to the franchise, you don't meticulously research every little thing beforehand, so you select Full sub because you'd find it odd to watch a partially subbed show. Then you hop on Twitter to be told that you're wrong, because on it's initial airing, those lines were left out? Even though they were translated on the DVD releases in 2001? Meaning that everyone has been fully aware of those lines for 19 years, yet you're expected to watch the show twice for some arbitrary reason? Kamen Rider fans are becoming so hysteric over this, and it's getting ridiculous. "You're supposed to watch Kuuga without knowing what the monsters are talking about. It doesn't spoil anything, but we've convinced ourselves that it does to spread a false rumor. Then after you've watched it, then you go back and watch it again, except with the additional translations so you can hear the generic monsters talk about killing humans as if it's some sort of shocking revelation, okay?" Just when I was starting to warm up on Kuuga, and thinking I was too harsh when I first watched it, this Shout debacle happened. Man, it's like the world refuses to not let Kuuga be seen through negative lenses for me
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