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05-16-2022, 08:10 PM | #1121 |
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So let's start off with some small stuff.
Man, Tsukuyomi continues to not be good at decision making and planning, like I get what she was going for here but it did not work out in the long run if I'm being honest. I don't mind this appearance of the Kamen Rider Tsukuyomi suit too much because we are going to be seeing a lot more of it. And compared to say something like Kivala who also shows up last minute, they really make as much use as possible of Tsukuyomi's Rider Suit in future project. Also Grand Zi-O here was definitely operating at 50% capacity when it comes to its abilities. Not as insane as it could be but it was definitely its best showing since its debut and I appreciate them going a bit all out with it for its last in show appearance. That being said, I remember mentioning in the Decade thread that something caught me off guard when seeing that'd pop up way later. It was the stock footage of the dark cloud flying out into the city that Daguva made here, that I forgot was in Decade first. Toei reuse at its finest. It was also nice seeing a healthy platter of Heisei Final Bosses even if most of them were Phase 2 and more recent than not. It was also incredibly satisfying watching Oma Zi-O tear through all of them with ease. Especially Evolt, ESPECIALLY Evolt! Dude was such a cockroach during Build and like the endgame surrounding him that it felt satisfying to see Oma Zi-O pretty much punt him out of existence. I really loved Geiz's scene and while the execution was a bit muddy, him finally calling Sougo by name was real good, and it's then when I realized I really loved him as a Secondary Rider. Like I liked him before but that moment of him telling Sougo to become Oma Zi-O and that he believes in him, is so, so good. I love it. Speaking of Oma Zi-O, let's start talking about him or rather Sougo 2068 who during these final episodes has made me appreciate him a lot more than usual. And it's also why I really dislike when people boil him down to like a plain Saturday morning cartoon villain in their depictions of him. He's an excellent antagonist though, a well intentioned kid who wanted to save the world, become a King. Shit went wrong, the memory of the Heisei Riders was erased, and all that was left was a large monument that depicted him the person who seemingly destroyed the world alongside 19 other armored random people. Because let?s be real, it's clear he was never in control of the Dai Mazines with what we learn from Over Quartzer and the show doesn't bother to touch that plot point so this is what I'm going with. But that's how people viewed history as it was, it being Sougo 2068's fault because he was the only super powerful person left. So Sougo 2068 just took all that hate and became an Overlord over what remained of the Earth. And like, in these last episodes beyond all the bravado, beyond all of his boasting. I see a man, a tired and worn out man who likely has some regret in how things turned out. Like we joke about him being a helicopter dad for Sougo but like, he didn't have to confront Sougo. If he was fine with Sougo going on the path he was now he could've just avoided him entirely during the trip to 2068. But Future Sougo chose to meet his younger self, chose to act with all the bravado he could, despite knowing that Sougo likely wouldn't take it well at all. He even risked his entire existence on a choice Sougo would make, and while he was certain that Sougo wouldn't give up his dream, he had to have been aware their meeting would have made some impact on his younger self. And he pushes and nudges Sougo again, and again, barely, but just enough. And by the time Trinity beats him, he figures that enough has changed for Sougo to change the outcome once destiny runs its course. And see, that's the thing about why I'm calling him Sougo 2068 and Future Sougo, that's who he really is. While Oma Zi-O is easier to short hand and very much a way to tell us who is who, Oma Zi-O isn't a person, isn't an ideal, isn't a scary future that Sougo may choose. That's Future Sougo, not Oma Zi-O. Oma Zi-O is an inevitability, a power that was destined to be Sougo's from birth and something that Sougo would one day obtain. But that's the thing about power, it can go either way and it's up to the person with their experiences and interactions with others, to choose how to use it. And at the end of the day, Oma Zi-O is a form title, a power that Sougo will obtain. How the future goes from there, the future of Sougo 2068 that everyone was trying to prevent, is now up to the present Sougo to decide. And because of his experiences with Team Zi-O, every other person along the way he met, and a better understanding of Heisei Riders by just a bit, we see what Sougo chooses to do with his powers. Now we already did a reset ending of sorts with Build, but I feel like, given post series specials, Zi-O still does it better than how Build handled it in the end. But like, the ending of Sougo deciding, I'll give up my dream to be King, this power, if it means giving everyone a chance to start over without all of this time nonsense, is like the most Sougo thing I can think of him doing. Is it selfish, in a sense yeah? Could he have given himself the ability to butter toast better? Yes. But I ended up really liking this ending for Zi-O, how Sougo was able break the cycle by his experiences dictating what he'd do once he obtained the power of Oma Zi-O. Wow, that was a lot. Um, here's a music video I made and posted to video to celebrate the end of Zi-O! https://vimeo.com/357276939 Last edited by Enchilada645; 05-16-2022 at 08:13 PM.. |
05-16-2022, 08:18 PM | #1122 |
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Apocalypse Time! It's Episode 49.....
-Before I rewatched this episode, I could only remember the bit with Sougo and Oma Zi-O and the high school bit, as well as some fuzzy memories of Geiz's death, and thought of this episode pretty fondly. -..................I remember why I seemingly didn't want remember anything before that, because oooooooof. I didn't vibe with ta good chunk of this episode at all. -The "Tsukuyomi betrayed us?!" twist feels so deeply insulting than I'm struggling to find the words to express my dislike of it? It'd be one thing to do the pledge of alleganice to Swartz, and then cleverly cut around the boys' conversation afterwards to imply something else is up, of course, but this....Hearing Geiz say "Why you'd do it, Tsukuyomi?!" with earnest geniunely made my heart sink? Like seriously? Now, of all times? When we literally did this bit a couple episodes ago....???? -I don't care any of the spefics of our heroes' plan because it's all thrown away with that big "Earse Timeline" button, but like.....If all Swartz wanted was Ohma Zi-O's power, what was stopping him from just going to 2068 and doing it there??? I guess you can make the argument that teenage Sougo who's all emotional and doesnt have a full grasp of his new powerset yet is a easier target, but........In any case, I don't think anyone any gives a damn about Swartz or last minute Time Nonsense when all the character stuff is good and sweet, so let's not waste any more energy on that! -That line from Sougo about the hands of a clock, where they're seemingly in a loop but steadily heading towards the future...I adore that line so damn much, it's a simple yet powerful statement. -However brief, Uncle's moment in this geniunely hit? When he came out with all the watches I felt the biggest smile creep on. -Woz looking over the kids as they head into school, watching over from the shadows....there's something a bit bittersweet about that, isn't it? Being potenially the only one who fully remembers what happened and all that. It kinda shows how far the guy's come, from meddling with this and that in order to bring out Oma Zi-O, to stepping back into the role of the unseen observer to see what kind of future Sougo and the kids will create. |
05-16-2022, 08:25 PM | #1123 |
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I don't like anything that happened in this episode and it makes me boiling mad to think about literally any aspect of it.
But whatever, you and the thread don't need me to go on another tirade- HE WAVED HIS HAND AND CHANGED EVERYTHING INTO A HIGH SCHOOL AU WHAT KIND OF ENDI Sorry, at least that much had to leak out. Thanks for another enjoyable thread, reading your thoughts on Zi-O in real time was pretty fun and interesting, as was the excuse to chime into conversations about this show! Further congratulations to having watching twenty years worth of television within a short-ish amount of time. You have the burden of having Rider permanently engraved in your mind, just like most of us now... |
05-16-2022, 08:37 PM | #1124 |
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Sogo: Don't get caught up in your past. Live in the present to work toward a bright future.
Also Sogo: *rewrites time itself to serve his own wants specifically* Great... great moral there, Zi-O. Man, I don't wanna give my full thoughts yet(and I'm not), but I will say that, for a show that I was really digging at first, with a main character who I was also really digging at first, the endgame makes alot of things feel ultimately hallow for me. Not like, Faiz tier hallow, but it's definitely a sour note on the entire thing. But, with us at the end, it is also time for the final piece of my bit. ------ I think this might be the first time in Rider that my favorite character ended up being a side character. Whether you're talking about Rento/Kikai or Uncle, these were both characters who took me completely by surprise in how much I gelled with them. Rento is my actual favorite, but if we're counting him as something separate, then in the end, it's definitely Uncle. Similar to my feelings on Shotaro, while his character is relatively simple, he's also never messed up or wasted. He's consistently funny, full of charisma, and alot of the scenes between him and Sogo are genuinely sweet and touching. And really, that's all I needed. It's all I feel any character "needs" really. Some might say that's shallow, and sure, I can see that, but in the end, the thing I'm looking for most in any story is a good time, and a well done character, basic or not, is a very big key to that ------ Oh, and before I forget, the star of this episode to me(other than Uncle), is Oma. So, to quote what I said in a discussion I had with a friend about him after I watched the finale: He is still a dark future version of Sogo to be sure, but he's very much someone who's been broken and beaten down over time, dulling alot of his emotions(likely due to some version of Schwartz). And I also choose to believe that he purposefully set things up so that Geiz, Tskuyomi, and Woz would go back in time and set things right. It made for a very interesting outlook on someone who's first scene on screen is blowing up an entire battlefield with the wave of his hand, and while I don't think of him as highly as alot of other viewers do, I do enjoy him. Man I hope my final thoughts post doesn't end up being incoherent babble later this week.
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05-16-2022, 08:43 PM | #1125 |
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One more thing I want to say unprompted: I did in fact for real cry at this scene the first time. Any time I cry after that it will be because I'm wishing this scene was in a better episode AND A BETTER SHOW Okay, that's all. Zi-O's so fun and nice, we all love it, yaaaay!
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05-16-2022, 08:51 PM | #1126 |
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It was also incredibly satisfying watching Oma Zi-O tear through all of them with ease. Especially Evolt, ESPECIALLY Evolt! Dude was such a cockroach during Build and like the endgame surrounding him that it felt satisfying to see Oma Zi-O pretty much punt him out of existence.
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Now we already did a reset ending of sorts with Build, but I feel like, given post series specials, Zi-O still does it better than how Build handled it in the end. But like, the ending of Sougo deciding, I'll give up my dream to be King, this power, if it means giving everyone a chance to start over without all of this time nonsense, is like the most Sougo thing I can think of him doing. Is it selfish, in a sense yeah? Could he have given himself the ability to butter toast better? Yes.
But I ended up really liking this ending for Zi-O, how Sougo was able break the cycle by his experiences dictating what he'd do once he obtained the power of Oma Zi-O. Quote:
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But whatever, you and the thread don't need me to go on another tirade- HE WAVED HIS HAND AND CHANGED EVERYTHING INTO A HIGH SCHOOL AU WHAT KIND OF ENDI Sorry, at least that much had to leak out. Thanks for another enjoyable thread, reading your thoughts on Zi-O in real time was pretty fun and interesting, as was the excuse to chime into conversations about this show! Further congratulations to having watching twenty years worth of television within a short-ish amount of time. You have the burden of having Rider permanently engraved in your mind, just like most of us now...
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05-16-2022, 08:56 PM | #1127 |
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One more thing I want to say unprompted: I did in fact for real cry at this scene the first time. Any time I cry after that it will be because I'm wishing this scene was in a better episode AND A BETTER SHOW Okay, that's all. Zi-O's so fun and nice, we all love it, yaaaay!
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05-16-2022, 09:24 PM | #1128 |
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So, the ending. Apparently all I really remember about this is the ending with everyone together in high school, including all of the characters that shouldn't have been born yet. I'm pretty sure there was some kind of ploy with Tsukuyomi, who gave Necrom Pink a run for her money in terms of Kamen Riding time. I don't remember anything about the final battle or how it played out, or if Ohma Zi-O came back for one last fight or not. Geiz died, I guess? Bummer.
But no, I mostly just remember the very end, which was... fine, I guess. Timeline logistics aside, I thought it worked as a more upbeat version of Ryuki's ending. All in all, though, just not something that left a very strong impression on me. |
05-16-2022, 10:15 PM | #1129 |
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So, the ending. Apparently all I really remember about this is the ending with everyone together in high school, including all of the characters that shouldn't have been born yet. I'm pretty sure there was some kind of ploy with Tsukuyomi, who gave Necrom Pink a run for her money in terms of Kamen Riding time. I don't remember anything about the final battle or how it played out, or if Ohma Zi-O came back for one last fight or not. Geiz died, I guess? Bummer.
But no, I mostly just remember the very end, which was... fine, I guess. Timeline logistics aside, I thought it worked as a more upbeat version of Ryuki's ending. All in all, though, just not something that left a very strong impression on me. And plugging in the Time Jackers... I really love that detail? I like that Sougo's best world specifically allows for things like redemption. That's exactly what I want that kid to do.
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05-17-2022, 03:44 AM | #1130 |
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So fun fact: the older version of Sougo when not in the suit has been played by Seiji Taikawa, as a send off to him, as he decided to step down from being the main suit actor, in favour of it cycling through whoever gave the best audition. Though given how two out of three of Reiwa’s leads have been suit acted by Yuya Nawata (who previously suit acted Genm, Taiga as Cronus and Geiz, except for these last three episodes, with a stand-in doing 47-8 and 49 having Geiz’s actor in the suit), and how Zero-One made a big deal of casting Taikawa as the final boss so they could do a passing of the torch, it comes off as the only reason Saber had Kosuke Asai (who previously suit acted regular Cronus and a slew of Sentai Reds) was due to COVID slowing down production.
And also, we get the ultimate culmination of Uncle’s fix everything gag, by finally not just having him fix a clock, but having him fix a full stand of really weird ones. And finally, while everything’s going great for Team Zi-O and the Time Jackers (though given the last scene starts off reenacting the first episode until Geiz appears, Sougo probably erased the guy who beat him up back then from history), and the separation of the 20 worlds means things are going great for some of the phase 2 Riders (Takumi Katsuragi gets his fake name and one-sided bromance with a straight man back, Kouta ascends back to Fruit Jesus, Eiji trades in a lucrative politics job for trying to revive a birdman), it’s not so great for the phase 1 Riders (Takumi and Kusaka go back to being dead, Kenzaki and Hajime are still avoiding each other due to the Undead’s influence, Kiriya and Kagami don’t get their closure), but eh, it was nice to see those characters again. And to close off the main series reviews, a look at the watch from the end card. “Using Progrisekeys, the Rider imitating numerous animals is Zero-One” And rather than tease his theme song (Not a fan), I’m going for what is probably the best of some admittedly pretty bad inserts, Find a New Life |
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