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09-25-2020, 11:57 PM | #41 |
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I would never advocate watching TV-Nihon's sub of Hibiki. It's old, low quality, and has some significant translation mistakes (more on that in the next paragraph). If there's one advantage it has over the newer high definition subs, though, it's that the early 00s CGI looks a lot less bad when the entire video is running at 240p. It's a problem I have with owning Garo on blu-ray, too: even the best old CGI ages badly and this stuff was never that high quality to begin with. It's not, like, Captain Power level janky, but it was definitely made on a TV show budget.
The TV-Nihon translation misses a really critical line in this episode from when Asumu and his mom are going up the mountain trail. One of the other hikers says that Hibiki reminded him of Asumu's dad. This isn't the last time that idea will come up. It's led me to wonder if Asumu's father was meant to be an Oni, too. Sadly, that never gets addressed in more depth before the production change so it has to remain just a theory. |
09-26-2020, 06:55 AM | #42 |
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I think I’ll point out here that Hibiki is not his real name. In fact, much like Amazon back in the Showa Era, Hibiki’s real name is never said on screen. (It’s Hitoshi Hikada by the way).
I’ll also point out that his show’s whole theme of mentors reminds me of a random tweet I read once talking about how Tokusatsu writers also have mentors when they first start out. The examples they used were Yasuko Kobayashi mentoring under a Metal Heroes writer (I forget which one, but it was one from the early 90s) and Kento Shimoyama (writer of Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters… ‘s side material post-retool, Kikaider (reboot), Shuriken Sentai Ninninger, Super Doubutsu Taisen, Kamen Sentai Gorider and Kamen Rider Zi-O) mentored under Yoshino Urasawa (writer of several Toei Fushigi Comedies, Gekisou Sentai Carranger and Movie Wars Ultimatum). I’m also convinced that Junko Komura (Doubutsu Sentai Zyuohger, Lupinranger vs Patranger, Healin’ Good Pretty Cure) mentored under Naruhisa Arakawa (I’m sure you’re familiar with what he wrote. If you aren’t, then what’s wrong with you?). What? I barely have anything to say about the first half unless it’s a debut or episode 24. I’ll be a lot more passionate (and on-topic) after the movie. |
09-26-2020, 08:24 AM | #43 |
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Oh hey, you've started Hibiki! How was Blade BTW?
This second episode really shows how unique Hibiki's fighting style is compared to other Riders. His finisher is the most spectacular part. Usually a finisher is like the climax but with the Oni, it's the main course, preceded by a starter. Exterminating giant monsters with a taiko drum is cool and not something you will see anywhere else. Hibiki is also my favorite color, and the only Primary Rider with that color in the Heisei Era. Thematically, the show is very different. It's still Kamen Rider since there are Riders but the role of the protagonist kind of shifts between Hibiki and Shounen. Hibiki is the oldest Primary Rider in the Heisei Era and a lot more experienced than the typical Rider protagonist. Instead, the inexperienced guy is Shounen, who gives us a unique perspective as a guy following Kamen Rider as a spectator, like us. However, each arc has its own moral where Shounen's problem is reflected in the Oni's problem and the difference is in how the problem is resolved, which allows Shounen to learn and develop. In that way, I agree with the connections people make to Kuuga, although personally I think Hibiki does it just a little better due to how cleverly subtle the A and B plots relate to each other. The other atypical thing about the show, which has already been mentioned, is the setting. This arc on the island is a good example of what you can expect from the first half, a lot of atmospheric action scenes in mountains, woods, caves, etc which is very much part of the show's identity about fighting the forces of nature and how nature can be both good and evil, linking to the whole theme of Kamen Rider about evil powers used for good. For reasons that people have already informed you about, this show is ultimately not high on my ranking, but nevertheless, I appreciate it for its cool unique style and the potential it showed.
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09-26-2020, 10:29 AM | #44 |
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I’ll also point out that his show’s whole theme of mentors reminds me of a random tweet I read once talking about how Tokusatsu writers also have mentors when they first start out. The examples they used were Yasuko Kobayashi mentoring under a Metal Heroes writer (I forget which one, but it was one from the early 90s) and Kento Shimoyama (writer of Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters… ‘s side material post-retool, Kikaider (reboot), Shuriken Sentai Ninninger, Super Doubutsu Taisen, Kamen Sentai Gorider and Kamen Rider Zi-O) mentored under Yoshino Urasawa (writer of several Toei Fushigi Comedies, Gekisou Sentai Carranger and Movie Wars Ultimatum). I’m also convinced that Junko Komura (Doubutsu Sentai Zyuohger, Lupinranger vs Patranger, Healin’ Good Pretty Cure) mentored under Naruhisa Arakawa (I’m sure you’re familiar with what he wrote. If you aren’t, then what’s wrong with you?).
I barely remember, but, good? I think? Good character work, a group of villains that never thrilled me, and a perfect final episode. It was fun to watch! Quote:
This second episode really shows how unique Hibiki's fighting style is compared to other Riders. His finisher is the most spectacular part. Usually a finisher is like the climax but with the Oni, it's the main course, preceded by a starter. Exterminating giant monsters with a taiko drum is cool and not something you will see anywhere else. Hibiki is also my favorite color, and the only Primary Rider with that color in the Heisei Era.
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Thematically, the show is very different. It's still Kamen Rider since there are Riders but the role of the protagonist kind of shifts between Hibiki and Shounen. Hibiki is the oldest Primary Rider in the Heisei Era and a lot more experienced than the typical Rider protagonist. Instead, the inexperienced guy is Shounen, who gives us a unique perspective as a guy following Kamen Rider as a spectator, like us. However, each arc has its own moral where Shounen's problem is reflected in the Oni's problem and the difference is in how the problem is resolved, which allows Shounen to learn and develop. In that way, I agree with the connections people make to Kuuga, although personally I think Hibiki does it just a little better due to how cleverly subtle the A and B plots relate to each other.
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The other atypical thing about the show, which has already been mentioned, is the setting. This arc on the island is a good example of what you can expect from the first half, a lot of atmospheric action scenes in mountains, woods, caves, etc which is very much part of the show's identity about fighting the forces of nature and how nature can be both good and evil, linking to the whole theme of Kamen Rider about evil powers used for good.
For reasons that people have already informed you about, this show is ultimately not high on my ranking, but nevertheless, I appreciate it for its cool unique style and the potential it showed.
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09-26-2020, 10:41 AM | #45 |
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i always love Hibiki's hand gesture, sometimes i use it irl to greet people
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09-26-2020, 10:45 AM | #46 |
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What I like best about it is its versatility. In human form, it's a crisp salute, a friendly acknowledgement. In Rider form, it's all of those things plus a way of saying Hi Did You Notice These Cool Horns You Can Compliment Them If You Want But No Pressure Or Anything.
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09-26-2020, 11:10 AM | #47 |
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What I like best about it is its versatility. In human form, it's a crisp salute, a friendly acknowledgement. In Rider form, it's all of those things plus a way of saying Hi Did You Notice These Cool Horns You Can Compliment Them If You Want But No Pressure Or Anything.
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09-26-2020, 11:21 AM | #48 |
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That thread will still be around, once you watch Blade. I'm not sure if I added much, but there's plenty of great background info on the memes and monsters, plus the usual fun discussion about how the series worked for everyone. I hope you have fun watching it! Oh! Okay, got it. At this point in the series, Asumu hasn't really had a lot of dialogue with Hibiki.
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09-26-2020, 12:49 PM | #49 |
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It's not a spoiler per se, but how Oni names work is something the show itself will explain shortly, so imo it would have been better to let the show explain that as part of the story line.
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09-26-2020, 08:22 PM | #50 |
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