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09-23-2016, 07:47 AM | #1791 |
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Seems I'm missing out because I dropped Xros Wars after 4 episodes. Hmm...
I guess I've heard so little good from Young Hunters that I associated the negativity with Xros Wars itself.
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09-23-2016, 02:52 PM | #1792 |
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There definitely is a lot of criticism slung at Xros Wars, especially since it changes up the mechanics so much, and it's not like all of it isn't legitimate or it's a perfect series or anything. It suffers as much as any other from the fact that there is an unparalleled amount of focus in the main red and blue kids, and even among Digimon series with Xros Wars it gets pretty crazy. I also personally liked the structure of the story, but thinking on it I think one could easily view the way it progressed as repetitive....and there were a lot of mons I liked just because they had entertaining voices or quirks, which I doubt is as big a seller with most people. I do think it has a lot of good points though. There's a lot of Digimon in the series, and despite being partnered with only a couple of kids, they all (mostly) get their own stories and development, which is a bit of a new thing for the franchise. The main kids who aren't the main character also develop a fair bit. But, yeah, there's definitely a lot of negativity surrounding most of the later Digimon series, and Hunters is the one where I really do think it's warranted. Xros Wars gets its fair share of criticism, but watching Hunters just makes me appreciate it even more than I already did. |
09-23-2016, 03:02 PM | #1793 |
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...huh, speaking of Digimon, Kukuhaku is up at Crunchyroll now. Totally kept forgetting that was today. Over and over again. Throughout the week.
And the movie is split up into 5 episodes this time around. Interesting. Well, probably won't get to watch this for a while (so much homework to do this weekend)...so off to the bunker I go? |
09-23-2016, 03:09 PM | #1794 |
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I'm gonna hate myself for watching the new episode. *Sighs*
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09-23-2016, 06:56 PM | #1795 |
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Haven't watched it yet - plan to tonight (thanks for the reminder) - but already saw somebody complaining about a cliffhanger ending.
To which I just have to repeat my belief that they really did mean for this this to be an ongoing ~26 episode show like originally implied and still wrote it as such, but was broken up for... reasons.
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09-23-2016, 07:06 PM | #1796 |
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To be honest I never could get into Xross Wars largely because of the massive aesthetic and mechanic changes.*ShoutMon looked like a very bad Guilemon fan drawling to me and I wasn't fond of the kids having multiple Mons I always preferred the more personal 1to1 bond a Tamer always had with their Digimon where they would compliment each others character as opposed to the collect a Mon series like Pokemon*
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09-23-2016, 11:17 PM | #1797 |
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So the Emperor was Gennai all along... But the way he was acting appeared rather sinister nonetheless. Agency lady's totally evil too.
And besides a couple of seconds spent checking for Ken at his apartment the 02 cast are still just being entirely ignored. Still bugs me. Patamon freaking the fuck out and biting Takeru was pretty damn surprising. Reboot was sad.. but of course Meicoomon seems to have seemingly escaped it. And at least Alphamon hasn't been forgotten. Seeing Jesmon briefly was cool; I'm sure his watcher role will be better explained in the future so looking forward to seeing him longer and more clearly. Oh and next movie has Machinedramon and Hououmon on its poster.
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09-25-2016, 04:19 AM | #1798 |
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Managed to finish some work earlier than I expected so I decided to finish up Hunters today while I had some free time.
My feelings on it now are...complicated. I really didn't expect the last four episodes to change my thoughts on the series as a whole much at all, but...man. Wow. I...actually think the last three episodes or so are more or less the perfect conclusion...to a show that could have been, but sadly, not at all the one we got. The more the endgame went on the more I was on board with everything that was going on. In particular, the entire idea of Tagiru surpassing Taiki and taking his place among the legends (including Ryoma's part as a parallel, also striving for that goal) as the driving theme of the show really struck a chord with me. I mean, it's not like that hadn't been brought up before, Tagiru's entire motivation had always been wanting to surpass Taiki. But it didn't strike me until we were actually at that point, when it actually had to happen at an important part, that I realized what an actually brilliant driving theme it was for a Xros Wars follow up. Taiki's problem is that he's too perfect a protagonist, too perfect a hero. He himself doesn't change a bit throughout the 79 episodes of the Xros Wars saga. He was a fully realized goody two shoes from the beginning. And that's fine, at least for me. As I see it, Xros Wars is not about Taiki changing and improving as a person, it's about him helping others do that. However, despite not being the sort of dynamic character a protagonist really should be, he still had to fill that that role in XW. Tagiru, on the other hand, is a pretty flawed guy. He's hotheaded, kind of dumb, reckless, and irresponsible. Which means he has far more potential for growth, which is good for a protagonist. Placing him in the protagonist role in XW, with Yuu as the rival-friend hybrid that pushes him to be better, and Taiki this time in a mentor position as the goal Tagiru aims to reach and an example for him to follow...it's actually a really good set-up for what could have been a really good story and development for all of these characters. Oh man, it could have been so good. Just imagining it during those last 24 minutes. Chills. When in the last moments, when it really counts, the perfect hero can't fulfill that role, and the still imperfect Tagiru had to rise up to the challenge. Given the right development and proper build up throughout the season, it could have been a really great climax. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, even if it didn't get any of that, I still really enjoyed it. The thought behind it was good. It's just a shame that the show itself was not. It's so weird that these last few episodes really did change my opinion so weirdly. In a sense, it definitely made me more appreciative of what the show could have been (and what I guess they actually thought they were doing), while at the same time they only lowered my view of the first 20 something episodes of the show for being so mediocre. It's just...such a huge disconnect. You get the sense that they were building up the fact that Tagiru was becoming this great hero throughout the show, so it naturally leads to him saving the world in the finale, but it's....bullshit. It didn't have to be but it was. I mentioned this in my last post, but Hunters had negligible stakes throught the entire show, raising them to astronomical levels at the very end doesn't work. For the first 80%+ of the show, nothing mattered. There was no overall significant story or meaningful development for anything or anyone. It's all dumb little stories of the week, this time about how one of Tagiru's classmates just really likes trains a lot, ok? he's all about trains, and then maybe next week about how this other one of his classmates' dad has problems making his ramen taste good. It's...just...so inane. It makes me sad. The show really had a lot of potential, but it all ends up being too little too late. It had a good finish but since it didn't have any legs to stand on it just fell flat. And it's a damn shame. There really were some really neat moments in the last few eps though. I've mostly talked about Tagiru, and his role in the last episode, but there's other things... I enjoyed episode 24 quite a bit, actually. There was a very noticeable "getting the gang back together" vibe about it. Having all of Xros Heart back together and giving most of the main ones lines (except Sparrowmon because screw him I guess), giving Zenjirou and Akari Xros Loaders so they can actually Do Things (I'm probably alone in this, but I like the both of them even without Loaders. That being said, giving them more tangible ways to contribute is all right in my book regardless) ...was cool. Doesn't even nearly begin to make up for sidelining them so hard for the rest of the show, but...it could have been worse, theoretically. Of course, the big elephant in the room about Hunters' endgame is the random inclusion of characters from the other Digimon series, and I...actually didn't mind that at all! Sure it's pretty unnecessary fanservice, but it's harmless, and considering each and every one of the shows these guys came from are themselves better than Hunters, their inclusion didn't exactly hurt it. Was also fun seeing them comment on the various different ways they each used their powers and all that. Zenjirou being a fun guy about it. I didn't mind it. About the worst thing that can be said about it is that it took up a little time, but not nearly as much as I expected, for one thing, and also it's not like they were gonna use that time to like, give Ren character development or something so I don't actually care. (but like seriously, what the fuck was even Ren's point in the grand scheme of this show? Ryoma was Ryoma and Airu at least featured solo in a couple of episodes, functioning as Yuu's rival and at least growing a little bit in the process, but Ren was like....man, just, fuck Ren) My favorite part in the entire show may just have been the very last plot twist, however. The identity of the clock man...holy crap. That was a pretty neat twist. Kinda nonsense, maybe, but I really really liked it. ...anyway, that sure is a wall of text. Hunters wasn't that good a show. But maybe it could have been. Oh well. I hope Applimonsters is good. Last edited by barnstenchfartface; 09-25-2016 at 04:25 AM.. |
09-25-2016, 04:48 AM | #1799 |
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Yeah sorry Tri, you’re still boring and way too slow. The only thing which pushes the story as a whole forward is again the last 5 seconds of the latest episode.
I can understand why they want to portray Digimon a bit more mature but it’s not working for me. I honestly would’ve preferred this storyline in the style of the older shows, with more things happening each episode and some side plots. Yes I know its movies and not a weekly airing anime but come on. They waste so much time on depression and sadness and shit that I don’t feel like I’m watching Digimon anymore. Which is the total opposite of the slice of life stories we got last time, but it suffers from the same problems. I don’t even know what they want to build up on anymore, but no matter what it is, I don't think the pay-off will be worth it. You can tell me I do not understand the spirit of this or whatever, but from what I get this is supposed to be the nostalgia bomb for the now grown-up fans of the original series, I’m a now grown-up fan of the originals series and I think this sucks. I hate how they cramp the mega evolutions in there but it doesn’t matter. Like, HerculesKabuterimon does literally nothing worth noting; at least Vikemon and Rosemon kicked some ass. And I do not feel the reboot thing, at all. Who else expects this is all for nothing and the current Digiworld they’re in is fake, including "their" Digimon partners? |
09-25-2016, 12:59 PM | #1800 |
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I will wait for the English dub of Tri movies to watch the rest of them. The Japanese voices are good and all, but Joshua Seth is always Tai to me. I can't imagine Tai's voice without him.
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