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03-06-2012, 07:49 PM | #21 |
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By the same token, Doctor Who is considered tokusatsu for the same reason as Star Trek!
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03-06-2012, 11:30 PM | #22 |
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Cartoons =/= Tokusatsu
I wouldn't categorize Doctor Who or Star Trek as toku either. There aren't any "super-hero" elements in it. Doctor Who maybe, but I'd purely leave it as being pure Sci-Fi. Godzilla even is a hero for Earth I'd say.
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03-06-2012, 11:42 PM | #23 |
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Does Voltron? count as a kind of animated Toku? I know it was based on two different anime we botched into one pile of almagimated awesome. But if it does count, then it needs an appreciation thread.
Not only did it introduce american audiances to the Japanese tradition of giant combining mecha, it also introduced alot of us to anime. And does Sailor Moon count as Toku? They transformed like Toku, they had powers like Toku. So... are they are not? Quote:
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You said the magic word. SFX, as in special effects, is exactly what makes tokusatsu tokusatsu.
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However, much like the use of the word anime in English, tokusatsu here refers to only Japanese made SFX media, not all of them. And like anime, the lines are blured when we have an American Toku section. That's part of the confusion and getting off topic. Bottom line, anything that has no live-action can ever be consider Toku. PS While I do not know what exact genre Sailor Moon, GoLion/Voltron, Gatchman, and Super Sentai (and Precure, I guess. I refuse to watch it) would all fall under, I know it's something team based. However, they all fall under different genres first and only one of them is Toku. Last edited by Blade Raider; 03-07-2012 at 01:49 AM.. |
03-07-2012, 01:03 PM | #25 |
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Moonlight Mask would introduce the superhero aspect of a tokusatsu show in 1957, but the concept didn't really skyrocket until 1966 with Ultraman (itself a followup to the non-superheroic Ultra Q). Kamen Rider, Spiderman, what would eventually become the Super Sentai, the Metal Heroes, and others from various other studios helped create what we generally think of as tokusatsu nowadays, but its not limited to that. I was on a podcast with several guys once, and I mentioned that while I did not watch much anime I was a big fan of tokusatsu. Another guy on the show asked what that was, and someone immediately said "Oh that's Power Rangers." So when I corrected the guy and explained the whole "live action special effects" aspect, he was dumbfounded. Reminded me of the arguments I used to have back in junior high and high school (which was tantamount to "VR Troopersis not a sentai show!" or "Masked Rider is not a sentai show!").
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03-07-2012, 02:02 PM | #26 |
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Don't confuse "Henshin Heroes" with Tokusatsu. Tokusatsu is ANY live action sci-fi, fantasy or horror film. Animated works can't be Tokusatsu. A good example, Smallville in Japan is labeled as Tokusatsu. Toku is not limited to transforming super heroes. Pick up a NewType: The Live magazine and you'll understand a lot better.
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03-08-2012, 07:30 PM | #27 |
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Yeah your right, didn't mean to confuse you.
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03-08-2012, 11:50 PM | #28 |
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I guess Voltron and Sailor Moon wouldn't count, then. Sailor Moon is likely classified under "Magical Girl", but I guess we could classify it and our Toku shows under the "Henshin Hero" banner. I agree with ljacone, Voltron is likely Super Robot Anime as well, which Super Sentai overlaps with a bit. Tokusatsu is a filming catergory based on how it is made; it has nothing to do with the content. It is paralleled to animated show/animation/anime. Since anime is the "Japanese term for animation", you can understand Tokusatsu as the "Japanese term for live action". So when there is a title/brand (Rider, Sailor Moon, Transformers etc.), it can be filmed as either animation OR tokusatsu. Quote:
They DID make real costumes, for live promotions and commercial shorts So this commercial short is catergorized as TOKU, while the major TV-series is still delivered as an animation show... Same case with Skullman(2007), they have the prequel episode done as TOKU, while the rest of the show is animation. Last edited by Tekmen; 03-09-2012 at 02:19 AM.. |
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There is no requirement for superhero elements in tokusatsu, though. The first "modern" tokusatsu was Gojira, and there are no superheroics in that film -- only a monster against the military and scientific minds of a nation. The daikaiju eiga didn't have a truly heroic monster until 1962 (King Kong, from King Kong vs Godzilla), although I suppose you could argue for Mothra in 1961 (sympathetic if nothing else).
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