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08-06-2023, 05:07 PM | #17531 |
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I watched Movie Battle Royale. Kind of disappointing that I waited until I finished rewatching Ryuki, only for the special guests to do nothing that a troop of random GM Riders couldn't have done. Their placement in the poster and trailer make them seem way more important than they actually are. I guess it does explain Asakura's appearance in Outsiders, but that's about it.
Honestly, this movie is pretty dumb in general. Like, the only reason the plot happens is due to the Igarashis suddenly having a fourth sibling like the Saimas from GoGo V (male, male, female, male). Unlike Salamandes, this baby isn't a character, but rather a plot device, as the villains extract the devil and use him as a power source for their evil goal. Maybe in 20 years, he'll be the coolest Igarashi of all time, but for now, I'm indifferent. Similar to the previous "Movie Battle", Sengoku Movie Battle, there are only 2 parts compared to the average 3 part Movie War. Wizard and Revice get the first part, while Gaim and Geats share their part with the crossover part. Despite my problem with Gaim, if I try and look objectively, I still think a Movie War should give proper focus to both sides. Kinoshita writes the Revice part all by himself and yet Takahashi still has to work alongside him for the rest. The good thing about the Revice part is Vice coming back, as I expected he would. But typical of Revice, nothing is ever that simple. Later it turns out his revival was temporary, so we still have to go through more of this nonsense. Even when there's a solution to this, Ace writes a desire card to make Ikki remember Vice, rather than literally just writing, "a world where Vice is alive". So, what the hell, Ace? Again, I frankly don't care whether Ikki remembers anything. Furthermore, if Vice died due to Ikki's memory problem, then why is he still dead after Ikki remembered? Nothing here makes sense! Kaima's father is an even worse parent than the Kuramas used to be. Kaima is kind of a bad dude as well for going along with the evil plan just to appease his father, but I have to pity him that his father only sees him as a tool due to him apparently not being as successful as his older siblings, even though he's literally an MMA champion. His father must be the same type as Amatsu Gai's father, expecting nothing less than 1000% all the time. Tamaki gets a new upgrade to Over Demons, but unless you're actively looking for it, you may miss it. Well, it looks cool anyway, even though it lost its debut fight. Surely they could've put this somewhere else? Tsumuri gets another costume change, which I also prefer to the original. Ikki riding a motorcycle in one scene made me wonder if he ever did that before, which was immediately followed by the line chat with Vice asking the same thing. I thought that was pretty humorous, at least. As this is hopefully the last Revice content I'll see for a long time, I guess I may as well give them one last promotion. #NiceIkki #NiceVice #NiceBike Overall, this was slightly more enjoyable than Super Movie War Genesis, but that's a low bar. The action was visually appealing and there were some good jokes, but doesn't compensate for the frustratingly bad plot. I doubt I'll have any desire to rewatch this one anytime soon.
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08-07-2023, 12:50 AM | #17532 |
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I watched Movie Battle Royale. Kind of disappointing that I waited until I finished rewatching Ryuki, only for the special guests to do nothing that a troop of random GM Riders couldn't have done. Their placement in the poster and trailer make them seem way more important than they actually are. I guess it does explain Asakura's appearance in Outsiders, but that's about it.
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Honestly, this movie is pretty dumb in general. Like, the only reason the plot happens is due to the Igarashis suddenly having a fourth sibling like the Saimas from GoGo V (male, male, female, male). Unlike Salamandes, this baby isn't a character, but rather a plot device, as the villains extract the devil and use him as a power source for their evil goal. Maybe in 20 years, he'll be the coolest Igarashi of all time, but for now, I'm indifferent.
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The good thing about the Revice part is Vice coming back, as I expected he would. But typical of Revice, nothing is ever that simple. Later it turns out his revival was temporary, so we still have to go through more of this nonsense. Even when there's a solution to this, Ace writes a desire card to make Ikki remember Vice, rather than literally just writing, "a world where Vice is alive". So, what the hell, Ace? Again, I frankly don't care whether Ikki remembers anything. Furthermore, if Vice died due to Ikki's memory problem, then why is he still dead after Ikki remembered? Nothing here makes sense!
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Kaima's father is an even worse parent than the Kuramas used to be. Kaima is kind of a bad dude as well for going along with the evil plan just to appease his father, but I have to pity him that his father only sees him as a tool due to him apparently not being as successful as his older siblings, even though he's literally an MMA champion. His father must be the same type as Amatsu Gai's father, expecting nothing less than 1000% all the time.
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08-07-2023, 10:21 AM | #17533 |
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If it's your purpose in rewatching Ryuki... uhh... even I wouldn't ever make these expectations because, I don't have high expectations for the crossover movies in general, but is it something wrong to have that approach (guess I do watch those for obligation)? Other than the complaint,there seems to be counterparts regarding Ryuki cast's wishes and the Geats cast's, but in general form. Ren is "the power to destroy a̶l̶l̶ ̶K̶a̶m̶e̶n̶ ̶R̶i̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ everything" (general version of Michinaga's Kamen Rider exclusive). While Asakura's wish is "fight i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶D̶G̶P̶ until the day I die" (general version of Ace's DGP-related first wish). It also feels smart to pair Ryuga with both Keiwa and Daiji - Keiwa's actor is named Ryuga Sato, and Daiji has dark twisted version of his personality in Kagerou like Shinji's Dark Shinji.
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Perhaps this also takes away the screentime that can be used for more series dynamics, maybe if this doesn't focus much on the saving Koshiro from Baridero and Izangi fight, which feels similar to Battle Familia focusing on saving the pregnant woman to prove a point, but this victim isn't a stranger for the cast, there can be more meaningful screentime for each series including Ryuki who here is only used as extra muscles to fight.. Though here, so even you can have complaints about someone only being used as a plot device, rather than character, of which it seems to be how people like Sophia and Luna from Saber are hated so much, and you also have finished Ryuki recently..
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I guess you wouldn't complain about this when, you'd like the W ending of Philip returning. It was said that Vice (and likely Vail) are still dormant inside of Ikki, though it was never stated how to bring him back, albeit this one just feels easier (I thought it's simple while you think it's not that simple). N̶o̶t̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶l̶a̶i̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶i̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶t̶a̶i̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶m̶e̶m̶o̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶e̶i̶t̶h̶e̶r̶.̶ With Hiromi saying that Ikki's power as Revi would be halved without Vice, it feels like a missed opportunity for a reasonable excuse to downgrade a final form to base form (Geats MagnumBoost) of the current Rider honestly. Regarding you questioning Ace's wish in this movie, you don't have similar questions to those in the actual series?
I've definitely had problems with other DGP Riders' desires, like Neon's to disappear and Keiwa's to bring back all the dead, but this is the first time I've had a problem with one of Ace's desires. Even though it's a rare selfless desire in early Geats that doesn't further his search for Mitsume, it's also half-a**ed, negligible, when there was the simple option to just bring back Vice. If Ikki truly values Vice as family, then why isn't he willing to try and save him like he would for his siblings? If Ace understands the suffering of remembering a lost family member and frequently tells people they're better off forgetting, then why does he think Ikki should remember? These guys just left Vice to die, or disappear anyway, for reasons that I cannot make sense of. Quote:
Well the Kuramas are far from the worst parents of the whole KR franchise, when there are parents that qualify for irredeemable villain such as Banno and Masamune. Ryuki also had the war starting due to abusive parents as well (... with their daughter also learning that they're actually dead, and is currently otherwordly). Though Kaima got mistreated, I do still think that, Kaima is an example when someone only selectively cares about family, they'd want to support their family while throwing everyone else under the bus in doing so, which makes a case of love turning someone bad (and how I think love doesn't necessarily mean goodness or good trait).
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08-07-2023, 11:49 AM | #17534 |
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Well, last year has been a very atypical and eventful year for the Igarashi family, so an addition to the family isn't the most unusual thing that could happen.
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08-11-2023, 04:08 PM | #17535 |
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Watched the 1st episode of the Geats anime. To be honest, I'm disappointed. Not as funny and inventive as the cartoon shorts by Saber and Zero-One. Plus, it is very much aimed at advertising the film. Michinaga also apologizes for being very out of character. Maybe episode 2 will be more fun?
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08-24-2023, 07:39 PM | #17536 |
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After months of mostly focusing on the Ultraman franchise, I am now officially back on my Ryuki rewatch as of last night via my copy of the series on Blu-Ray and I am up to where Takeshi Asakura/Kamen Rider Ouja makes his first official appearance in the series. I am also hoping to finish off Wizard and/or Kiva before the end of this year.
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08-27-2023, 01:46 AM | #17537 |
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3rd attempt at watching Saber. Reached episode 8. Did not expect the Oren and Hideyasu cameo.
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08-31-2023, 09:32 PM | #17538 |
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Not only have I finally continued right where I left off on Kiva, I am also now down to the show's final quarter as of today.
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09-02-2023, 10:32 AM | #17539 |
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I'm a little late, but I finished Geats. Spoilers incoming obviously.
So, uh, hmm. That was... strange. This is the morning after I finished the show and no matter how much I mull it over my feelings towards it aren't budging from "confused". I don't think it was very good, but it WAS fairly entertaining and had some creative fights. The plot is baffling and honestly felt like 6 different shows stitched together. The characters aren't too great? Man, I dunno. Definitely my least favorite Takahashi show, if nothing else. I feel like the plot is the first thing I have to address. I think the show started fairly strongly. There was a good sense of intrigue surrounding the nature of the DGP and the Jamato that had me interested. The basic idea behind the characters was ripe for interesting development. However, the longer the show went on, the most obvious it was that not much had been planned in advance. Entire DGP seasons could have been removed with no real impact, especially the one where there was no winner. Then they just keep dumping more characters and plot points that are barely relevant to anything in the mix. Supporters, DGP staff, Ace's past lives, finite amounts of happiness in the world, constant world resets, the tree of knowledge! It was absolute narrative chaos that I can barely even process and didn't come together to make a satisfying whole. The characters were a mess. I think Neon was maybe the most cohesive character in the show? Her arc generally made sense and was paced decently throughout the show, even if the whole "the kidnapper is back and he's kidnapping a Kurama daughter again" moment was just absurd. Ace was borderline irrelevant large amounts of the time. I genuinely like the CONCEPT behind "Michinaga kills Keiwa's sister, sending Keiwa into a spiral of desperate violence", but the implementation was just SILLY and resolved so suddenly. Tsumuri cried and then Jitto grabbed her magic tear and used it to make EVIL Tsumuri? And then evil Tsumuri possessed her so she shot Ace? What? I can't say I really loved a single character as much as I was vaguely amused by them sometimes. In Ex-Aid and Zero-One I was pretty impressed by Takahashi's character writing, but not so much here unfortunately. Thematically I think the ideas of continuing to strive towards your desires and giving people second chances are good stuff, even if the writing didn't always do it justice. There are some other tonal issues with the show however. One thing that kept really rubbing me the wrong way is how the show almost seemed like it wanted to make fun of Rider fans, while at the same time not really understanding them. The audience and Kekera in particular felt like a parody of the idea that "Rider fans just want to see people suffer on TV" and more broadly the kinds of people who enjoy these death game stories, without really getting why it is that people want these kinds of things. Generally, fans don't just want to watch a character suffer for the sake of it, characters who suffer are relatable. We want to root for them to overcome their challenges because they seem more real. When they succeed we are reminded that we can do the same, and when they fail we feel their pain. The way Geats approaches it felt like it was talking down to fans when they have very real criticisms like "it feels cheap to constantly revive characters just for a happy ending" and reducing it to all of them being a bunch of sadists. It was almost like the show was smugly looking at the viewer and going "There, isn't the story better this way, where everyone can be happy?" while making an absolute mess. I keep wanting to compare it to Shin Kamen Rider, which had a similar story about human happiness. Shin Kamen Rider was serious and goofy and completely earnest, with a deep love of Kamen Rider and what it was about, while Geats' poor meta commentary towards fans just felt cynical. Ugh, sorry, but this particular aspect just really peeved me. Ultimately, I think this was about the same quality as Revice. I think Revice was better in terms of characters while Geats was more entertaining, but both had serious issues that bring them down to D tier for me. Two bad shows in a row is nothing new for the series though, so whatever, haha.
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09-02-2023, 05:49 PM | #17540 |
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Kamen Rider Fourze Episodes 28 & 29 - Silent Treatment from Juniors & No Need For Seniors
So for the start of the school year, we have a story about how young people can be betrayed by their elders, and how only actively repairing that trust is the way forwards. How you can't suffocate your friends withou them lashing out at the percieved patronisation. But the more interesting part of this one is Ohsugi. I've been a Kamen Rider fan a while, and Ohsugi is up there as one of the most iconic parts of the show. He was even the best rep we got in Zi-O! And yet so far in the show, it's been difficult to see why. His schtick has mainly been "Sad over the Scorpio Zodiarts" and "Shout at Gentarou, Yuki and Kengo". This one, though, finally brings him into the fold. Granted, he almost sells them out to Tachibana-san first, but might be the first to realise the entire staff of Amonogawa High School might be evil Zodiarts makers. Hopefully, there's more of him being a protective senior to the club, and less of an slightly-obssessive creep. Or, let's be honest, probably both.
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