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12-19-2020, 02:36 AM | #251 |
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I'm wondering how much input Inoue had into Daisuke's character. He seems to have been in charge of the major Daisuke focused episodes so far and a major factor in how incredibly goofy the character is and his episodes really ratchet up the sillier characteristics.
(As a side note to tie in to the earlier conversation, Daisuke's actor would go on to also play Kazami Shiro, aka Kamen Rider V3, in The Next). So I've mentioned a few times now how much Kabuto failed to stick in my long term memory. Well, this episode has one of the few things that I really did recall long after the show ended: the drunk doctor's specific drinking ritual and accompanying noises. Not sure why that endured where Kageyama's freaking name got lost, but it did. |
12-19-2020, 04:38 AM | #252 |
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The most I remember from this episode is someone commenting “Good god, is there anything Tendou can’t do?” I had to check the wiki to find out one of the guest stars was also the Liar Dopant in W and the recurring science guy who helped Takeru’s Dad build the Ghost Driver(I forget his name) in… um, Ghost.
I’ll have a bit more to talk about next time, especially with how arguably important it is for future crossovers. I’ll explain why afterwards. Last edited by Androzani84; 12-19-2020 at 08:31 AM.. |
12-19-2020, 07:25 AM | #253 |
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I’m not sure how probing or introspective I want these questions to get, but this episode got me thinking about friendship, and about emotional support. It’s so tricky sometimes, to know the best way to help our friends out when they’re having a tough time. I think both Tendou and Misaki are right about what someone might need to feel better, even if they both might not be right about what Kagami needs. So, and feel free to skip this if it’s way too baring of the emotions, but how would you prefer your friends help you when you’re feeling bad about yourself: by being there for you, or by leaving you alone? I’m definitely more the type to just need some time alone to reset, so maybe Tendou’s distance would be what I’m looking for. I’m sure I’d regret experiencing his tough love, though! Tip for those who prefer to be left alone though; If you have friends like me, be sure to let them know that it's not a personal knock against them that you need time to yourself. Even though my brain knows the situation has nothing to do with me most of the time, it still hurts that all I can do is sit back and do nothing whenever it happens. So if you have friends who are very affectionate, then they'd probably appreciate the heads-up, I imagine.
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12-19-2020, 11:52 AM | #255 |
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So I've mentioned a few times now how much Kabuto failed to stick in my long term memory. Well, this episode has one of the few things that I really did recall long after the show ended: the drunk doctor's specific drinking ritual and accompanying noises. Not sure why that endured where Kageyama's freaking name got lost, but it did.
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The most I remember from this episode is someone commenting “Good god, is there anything Tendou can’t do?” I had to check the wiki to find out one of the guest stars was also the Liar Dopant in W and the recurring science guy who helped Takeru’s Dad build the Ghost Driver(I forget his name) in… um, Ghost.
I’ll have a bit more to talk about next time, especially with how arguably important it is for future crossovers. I’ll explain why afterwards. Quote:
Typically I'm the friend who's energetic and annoying most of the time, so during the rare times that I'm feeling down, I tend to shut myself off and lock myself away in a cave so to speak. That said, in my own personal experience, having someone reach out to let me know that they care does wonders, and it's almost always been just the thing I needed to get me going again.
Tip for those who prefer to be left alone though; If you have friends like me, be sure to let them know that it's not a personal knock against them that you need time to yourself. Even though my brain knows the situation has nothing to do with me most of the time, it still hurts that all I can do is sit back and do nothing whenever it happens. So if you have friends who are very affectionate, then they'd probably appreciate the heads-up, I imagine. Quote:
Tendo and Kagami's relationship developing throughout the show is my favorite non-Hiyori part of it. I'm not always fond of Inoue's writing, but this is where I felt like he really hit his stride and balanced all of the aspects of the characters and story in a way that resonated with me. Best moment for me in this one was Kagami's expression as Tendo-the-ZECTrooper pulls out his "Grandmother always said" line.
But, yeah, I think Inoue had a stronger grasp on how antagonistic the relationship should be between Tendou and Kagami, without having it tip over into parody or cruelty... Quote:
I had a lot of sympathy for Kagami there, partly because there was this half-second at the start of Tendo's insult where he could conceivably have been insulting Kageyama, and then it becomes blindingly obvious that he's stamping all over Kagami's ego instead. Poor Kagami, even though he should know better than to expect overt sympathy from Tendo, lol
You are very kind! Everyone's been very un-Tendou-y in volunteering their thoughts and time, which makes me feel like none of you are actually paying attention to the show. Where is the closed-off snark? Where are the seven competing threads, to show dominance? The only reason everyone would be so generous on a daily basis is... wait, am I Juka?!
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12-19-2020, 12:34 PM | #256 |
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To clarify, the comment was from somebody online. Not in the episode.
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12-19-2020, 01:14 PM | #257 |
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Oh, okay, gotcha.
I don't think it's a binary thing? I think there's an amount of responsibility that's mature and honest for Kagami to deal with in regards to his time with Shadow, and it's on a spectrum of Blameless to Martyr. Closer to Blameless (I'm not suggesting he was wrong to abandon a posting that required him to fight his friend, someone he knows is a hero), but there's still some negative aspects to him just cutting Kageyama and team loose. Like, when I quit a job because I couldn't work for the owner anymore, I stayed on for a month to help the next guy transition into my role, just to make sure things ran smoothly for the other employees (and customers). I don't feel like Kagami gave any notice? Seems like a bit of a dick move! Quote:
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Like, it treats the previous (incredibly stupid) ZECT plot as Kagami's breaking point; where the old, weak Kagami needs to figure out how to be strong enough to keep from being victimized again. It suggests that Kagami’s ego is something worth protecting, that his confidence has value. He’s been kicked around a lot, and his very life was just treated as a joke. He needs to find some way to prove he can cut it in the fast-paced world of monster detonation, and a solo Worm hunt might be just the way to do that. And yeah, as someone who you said, wants to see others succeed, Tendou's someone who expects everyone else to live up to unrealistic high standards, and that'd be an automatic social brick wall. Tendou may care deep down, but I think the first scene showed him at one of his nastiest, tearing down someone who's in despair, at least outwardly. While Kagami's dad, although you said he had the same light as Tendou, in contrast to his earlier appearence that reminds me of Blade's Jin dad, comes off as supportive like usually a parent would be. And talking about Tendou's words of only being saved as something that matters (you can't complain at all), about the audience again, like what's discussed in Ryuki thread in ep. 27, about the misunderstanding of what makes superheroes heroic, not only children, but also for those that carries that since little. Namely that the mindset that heroes are people who beat up bad guys, and the bad guys are bad because the heroes beat them up. In relation to beating up bad guys, some people can think that heroic deeds is as simplistic and limited to saving other's lives, and by that those that are saved have no right to behave in any manner other than being grateful; like objecting to something. While admittedly, someone who acts completely as a jerk to the savior is a complete dick move (and it'll infuriate me, and other audiences), but some people simplify heroic as only about saving other lives can be an uncaring view to it. There are much more legitimate life problems other than just being saved or not, like Kagami feeling worthless after realizing that he's just a tool used by Kageyama. The view of heroic being only about saving lives can be callous towards anyone's problems as long as they live and not get killed, and while obviously saving others is a good thing to happen, performing heroic deeds is much more than only that, saving is only a part of it, but neglecting the other part isn't complete heroic deeds; what I said is aimed to someone who thinks characters like ideal heroes such as Eiji or anti-heroes such as Kaito as exactly similarly heroic because limiting hero definition as just anyone that can actually save people in need and treating what they do it for (money, recognition, etc.) or any character flaws as something that doesn’t matter, as long as they can save people. Which means that definition only takes "save people" into account and applies to my lecture here, as in KR mostly anyone on protagonistic side regularly kill monsters that attack humans. Other than Tendou here, Misaki is also someone that frequently chews Kagami for his blunders, though rightfully so. And still does here while he's moping in the food store. Misaki however, I think it had happened other than the part here where it's a reflection on her failing to protect Kagami. Previously, she, like other ZECT members, was heavily against Kabuto being used by Tendou and one of the reasons she chewed out Kagami, but later Kagami rubbed off on her; she decided to entrust Kabuto Zecter to Tendou, and she also shows a bit of defiance against ZECT where she covered Tendou, and was against their policy of eliminating any Zecter users not affiliated with ZECT. And by that, Mishima (Goro) devalues her, claiming her as not knowing anything. So by that Misaki becomes more and more of an equal to Kagami, even before this episode, and for being at the top of ZECT's shit list. Probably with their equal infamy, it can cheer Kagami up, if Misaki told so, with Misaki also being deemed as worthless by Mishima. Quote:
(I super loved Misaki chewing out Tadokoro for him not being more livid about Kageyama using Kagami as bait. Tadokoro is clearly checked out in that scene, spending more time thinking about how his 401K is doing, and if he can put off getting that Check Engine light in his car looked at until his next paycheck, than he is his undeling berating him for a lack of moral fiber. Just take it up with ZECT HR and stop giving him shit about some interoffice attempted murder, okay, god, thank you.)
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And then there’s all of the very Inoue things in this episode: Juka’s morning mukbang; Misaki’s makeover in La Salle; the way Hiyori is only in it for a couple jokes; Kagami running off crying after Tendou insults him, like the world’s most professionally-dressed four year-old; and the entire thing with two old men at the food cart. All great, and very fun. There’s maybe some tonal whiplash (like, Kagami is wrecked, opening credits, Juka’s morning mukbang), and that detracts a little bit from the stakes for Kagami’s story, but it’s such fun that I don’t really mind it.
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I’m not sure how probing or introspective I want these questions to get, but this episode got me thinking about friendship, and about emotional support. It’s so tricky sometimes, to know the best way to help our friends out when they’re having a tough time. I think both Tendou and Misaki are right about what someone might need to feel better, even if they both might not be right about what Kagami needs. So, and feel free to skip this if it’s way too baring of the emotions, but how would you prefer your friends help you when you’re feeling bad about yourself: by being there for you, or by leaving you alone? I’m definitely more the type to just need some time alone to reset, so maybe Tendou’s distance would be what I’m looking for. I’m sure I’d regret experiencing his tough love, though!
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12-19-2020, 01:36 PM | #258 |
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Other than that, what do you mean regarding blameless to martyr spectrum for this one? And it being a dick move, that's what I thought as the only other choice if responsibility issues to make things right made someone can't function as a person and isn't being healthy emotionally or processing it which means the other choice, which means neglecting it..
I don't completely follow your second point, but I was just saying that abandoning coworkers for your own issues (especially if they might depend on you for their jobs/lives!) is maybe selfish in a way the show hadn't really addressed. Misaki and Kagami do it constantly, and that's why it's so funny to me. Practically the only use of Tadokoro on this show is him sitting in a van and getting lectured by his subordinates. I think that's hilarious? I had to create a headcanon for why this dude just absorbs these moralizing outbursts, and Frustrated Salaryman is the one I landed on. I really enjoy creating an internal monologue for Tadokoro, where all of the judgment that gets heaped on him... like, he knows all of this is insane. Of course he knows that Kageyama is an asshole for almost getting Kagami killed! He would definitely prefer for half of his division's manpower to not get shot to death so some reprehensible toad could feel smart! But, like, Tadokoro is middle-management, and Kageyama isn't in his department. Misaki yelling at him is, like... lady, you are chewing out your boss for something he didn't get a vote on. Take it up with ZECT HR! Or quit your job! But, god, leave Tadokoro alone. He does not get paid enough to deal with your judgment. For what it's worth, I consider you a friend? So don't feel like an outcast!
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12-19-2020, 03:01 PM | #259 |
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I'm one of the weirdos who likes The Next more. I have a lot of issues with The First's pacing and all the time spent on the sick kids subplot. The Next is really weird, but narratively tighter. Honestly, I feel like both are cases of Inoue wanting to branch out and do something different, but Toei telling him "No, you have to write Kamen Rider." So he just wrote a romance drama that also happened to have some Kamen Riding in it and a Ringu-style J-Horror that also happened to have some Kamen Riding in it.
Either way, the suits are goddamn fantastic and I'm really bummed that we never got to see updates to the other OG Showa Riders. The movies were weird, but I would have been totally down for Kamen Rider The X, Kamen Rider The Stronger, or Kamen Rider The Man. It would have been cool to see "The Stronger" upgrade Tackle from sidekick to Kamen Rider Tackle and I was excited for "The Man" to happen in Amazons after Kazuya got his right arm eaten, that's the perfect origin story for a Riderman and I thought that was a missed opportunity. Quote:
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Hoo boy, is this the first part of a two-parter. I hope you like mysterious motivations and a bunch of twists, because that’s what you’re getting in this one. Almost impossible to talk about, because some very key things (whatever the deal is with the Worm, Tendou joining ZECT) are left for the next episode to explain and justify. What’s here are some very funny gags, and a lot of Kagami. That’s not bad, but it means that I can’t exactly break this episode down as much as I’d like. I really did like this episode, though, and mostly for its focus on Kagami. It’s an episode that reframes the previous story as Kagami hitting a self-respect rock bottom, and asks how to best help someone who has lost all of their confidence. Like, it treats the previous (incredibly stupid) ZECT plot as Kagami's breaking point; where the old, weak Kagami needs to figure out how to be strong enough to keep from being victimized again. It suggests that Kagami’s ego is something worth protecting, that his confidence has value. He’s been kicked around a lot, and his very life was just treated as a joke. He needs to find some way to prove he can cut it in the fast-paced world of monster detonation, and a solo Worm hunt might be just the way to do that. Although, no, he’s not doing it solo. It’s a story that’s as much about how we support our friends as it is about how we move on from failure, so we definitely need to spend some time on how the rest of the cast is assisting Kagami. Tendou loudly and repeatedly proclaims that he will not be helping Kagami… so, of course, Tendou ends up shadowing Kagami the entire episode. I actually really like how subtle (for an Inoue value of Subtle) the episode is with Tendou’s support. Misaki’s all like Hey We All Need To Cheer Up Kagami and Tendou’s like Cool So We’re Just Coddling Him Like A Baby Got It. Public displays of friendship are currently not in Tendou’s skillset, so it’s not like he was really going to be much emotional support for Kagami. But it’s more than that, I think. It’s Tendou viewing Kagami’s recent failure in the same light as Kagami’s dad, and drawing the same conclusion: The only way Kagami gets stronger is by dealing with his failure directly, and trying harder in the future. Giving him an easy win by tagging along on his Worm hunt would just reinforce how much he feels like a pawn, a sidekick. Making him stand on his own two feet and go out and get a win by himself, that’s how he starts to feel more confident. But, like, Tendou 100% cares about Kagami, and wants him to succeed, so he stays in the shadows (if you’ll pardon the pun) to make sure Kagami gets his win. Misaki, however, is coming at Kagami’s crisis from the opposite angle. She believes in Kagami, but also thinks he’s biting off more than he can chew. He shouldn’t have to go get a solo win, because that’s not his job. His job is to work with a partner like Misaki, to be a part of a team that doesn’t put themselves at risk unnecessarily. In a way, I think she takes Kagami’s emotional crisis as a reflection on her, on her inability to protect him in the last story. She let him get put in danger, and she doesn’t want it to happen again. He doesn’t need to go out and save the world himself, he needs to trust in his team to protect him. He didn’t let himself down, ZECT let him down. Quote:
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I’m not sure how probing or introspective I want these questions to get, but this episode got me thinking about friendship, and about emotional support. It’s so tricky sometimes, to know the best way to help our friends out when they’re having a tough time. I think both Tendou and Misaki are right about what someone might need to feel better, even if they both might not be right about what Kagami needs. So, and feel free to skip this if it’s way too baring of the emotions, but how would you prefer your friends help you when you’re feeling bad about yourself: by being there for you, or by leaving you alone? I’m definitely more the type to just need some time alone to reset, so maybe Tendou’s distance would be what I’m looking for. I’m sure I’d regret experiencing his tough love, though! There's a sweet spot between being too dependent on friends and indulging in self-destructive behavior by pushing them away. Where that sweet spot lies is determined by the individual. For me, I like my space to recharge my energy, I enjoy my own company but I don't want to be alone all the time, I need to interact with fellow intellectuals to keep my mind stimulated and give me inspiration.
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Trying to write about this perfectly enjoyable episode of Kabuto really gave me an appreciation for what Die was talking about when he said it's hard to break down. Naturally, right after saying that, Die broke down the episode very nicely, but me? I just can't find an angle to save my life right now. The amount of trial and error it took simply to reach the paragraph you're currently reading was rather substantial. There's no big disagreement I have with Die; no piece of the episode that could've stood to be covered more; no general yet pertinent thoughts or fun trivia to work in. Maybe that's the secret, though? This is a very tight episode of the series in terms of focus and structure. There's no dangling threads for me to swoop in and talk about, because every scene is advancing the same, singular plot. Even something as simple as Tendou cooking for Juka is used as a method to allow for elaboration on the central theme. There's close to nothing extraneous in this one, and that's a huge point in its favor. There's no highly contentious thing I can take a bold stance on, because it's delivering that one plot in a very competent manner that maybe doesn't leave much to the imagination, but also doesn't expect you to fill in holes yourself. Kagami's dilemma here is pretty well-conceived, I'd say, and it's neat to see him be allowed to reel from the events of the previous story, giving it more weight retroactively by not brushing off the stress of being framed for serious crimes as just another day at the office that he can forget about and go right back to the status quo. There's no general thoughts or trivia because... well, on second thought, I'm sure I can find a few random things to cover. These next two episodes were directed by Nobuhiro Suzumura, who's a tiny bit younger and less experienced than some of Toei's other usual suspects, which admittedly shows in how basic a lot of the episode looks, but it's a very competent, by-the-book sort of basic that's appealing enough, and there were still some little touches I found neat. One was the use of Clock Up here, which won't sound like a compliment for a second, but bear with me. It seems apparent the show doesn't have the budget to keep up the elaborate slow-motion setpieces in every episode, which leads to Drake's use of it here being almost pointless. Remove the sounds, and taken out of context it would like any other fight. Because I'm assuming this is a budget issue, however, I appreciate the very blunt establishing shot showing speeding trains slowing down, with the sound of them rushing by cutting out, and then right back in once the sequence is over. It's only a background element; they don't go fighting in traffic like Kabuto in the second episode, but it works wonders to quickly build the right sense of atmosphere without breaking the bank. Plus, I mean, the whole fight is shot at night, so just in general it looks cool. Another bit I liked was the increasingly petty escalation of Tendou and Daisuke's squabbling until the scene just ends with them having their backs turned to each other in disgust, although in that case, I have to give just as much credit to the writing for getting me on-board with this dynamic more than last time. It becomes really clear in that scene why exactly Tendou can't stand putting up with Daisuke in a way that makes his frustration feel more natural and in-character. The way his snickering facial expression when Daisuke asks to do Misaki's makeup changes to shocked horror as soon as she says yes is what sold me. Tendou is waiting for this guy to press his luck too much and embarrass himself to the point of self-destruction like most of his potential rivals do, but Daisuke is keeping his composure and getting results just like Tendou would, and the concept of someone who can even come close to matching him entering his life out of nowhere this way freaks Tendou out. Their animosity is borderline instinctive, like two magnets with the same polarity or something. Its honestly pretty adorable. Alright, that turned out a lot better than I thought it would for a while! This is the first of six straight episodes written by Inoue, which will no doubt be great fun for Die, and hopefully won't always leave me struggling this much to contribute?
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