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03-14-2017, 04:03 PM | #51 |
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Yes, KogumaSkyBlue is supposed to be SasoriOrange's partner. This episode hints pretty blatantly why this is the case.
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03-15-2017, 01:56 PM | #52 |
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We'll see though. If they're explicitly calling this an arc there's basically zero chance they're staying here until the end of the show, especially since they explicitly talk about liberating Earth first in the episode.
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03-15-2017, 06:09 PM | #53 |
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Ok, so I followed y'all's advice and came back after episode 5. And I… kinda wish I hadn’t! Cause I was instantly set off by some of these criticisms. And of course, me being me, I can’t just let them slide without some biting commentary!
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We still don't know the circumstances behind why Stinger "killed" [Champ’s] creator. It seems next episode won't delve into that, either.
[SNIP] I'm quite curious to know where Stinger's subplot with Scorpio is also going to go. It's implied that he's still alive, so...Possible evil Kyuranger? After all, he did betray his planet with an evil smirk across his face. Now, some disagreement... Quote:
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So… your solution to what you see as the show’s problems is for the creators to stop trying something new and revert to a more familiar status quo? When you just clearly implied that you didn’t want the show to be a “run-of-the-mill crappy Sentai show?” I... don't get you. Quote:
But think about how that reveal rounds out Commander Dragon Dumpling's character. His actions show he's willing to lie to and manipulate his subordinates -- to put them through the emotional wringer -- to achieve his objectives. I think that's pretty interesting, and it isn't the first sign of questionable morality from the big purple furry. His mission is clearly noble, but his methods are questionable. That complexity is unusual in Sentai, which rarely gives us heroes with shades of gray. Already, Kyuranger has given us two less-than-fully-heroic heroes in the Commander and Stinger, and that makes me pretty happy. Quote:
When scans of the promotional catalogues hit the scene I thought we would get two teams - one with 5 and one with 4 members and they would be featured equally, or rather the 5 team would be our main focus and the 4 team would drop in every now and then. Or maybe the 4 team would actually work for Jark Matter? That could’ve been fun.
I suspect you're letting your disappointment over discovering that Kyuranger isn't the show you expected blind you to all the good things it's doing. I mean, it's not flawless, there have been bumps in the road and things I'd change -- but props to everyone for trying something new and exciting. I think it's worked way more often than not. Now, finally, for some agreement... Quote:
I was really scared the series would be grounded on Earth for the rest of its run, but the way Toei have actually branded this as "the first chapter" of the series and given this story arc an actual name gives me a lot of hope that we won't be on Earth for the rest of the show. It's literally called the "Earth Liberation arc", that implies it's only one part of the series. If anything, saving Earth is what will kickstart the team into going back out to space - they show they can defeat so many generals on one planet and that's something they can use to give hope back to people.
After all, Super Sentai heroes are, explicitly, the defenders of Earth. While it would be refreshing to see the heroes go off-world more often than not, I think the “defenders of Earth” is a key part of the show for Japanese audiences. As much as I want the show to take place primarily off-world, I think Japanese fans and kids would rebel if they didn’t hang out on Earth for at least half of the show. I’ll be satisfied if there are just a few away missions scattered about, and I’d love to have my suspicions proven wrong. Quote:
But yeah, Kyuranger continues to be a very well done series for me. I absolutely did not enjoy the first episode, it was rushed and Lucky was overbearing as all get out. The show immediately did a 180 and toned Lucky down - he's still a vocal Red, but he seems like a genuine character who cares for his team mates and people he interacts with. So much of the show seems like it's very well thought out and detail is given to aspects I'd never even really focused on before. My favorite part of the episode was actually seeing the crowd finally support the Kyurangers. It wasn't your typical "crowd wildly cheers on the heroes" scene, it was a few people muttering their support. It nails the idea that these people have been so despondent for who knows how long and this is their first real taste of hope, which is something they don't even really know how to react to. It was my favorite moment of the episode.
I think part of my enjoyment of the show so far has been watching how the creators take well-worn Sentai tropes and twist them a bit. If one isn’t a fan of those tropes to begin with – or if one is not intimately familiar with all of the tropes being twisted, avoided, or otherwise subverted – I can maybe see how one would be less than enthused with Kyuranger at this point. But guys. That doesn’t mean Kyuranger sucks. It means that it’s not your thing. Last edited by Kamen Rider Lucha; 03-15-2017 at 07:10 PM.. |
03-15-2017, 06:22 PM | #54 |
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Yeah, having Scorpio be the killer and Stinger taking the fall would be the obvious and most likely route.
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03-16-2017, 07:29 AM | #55 |
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Now will they go the obvious route or not
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03-16-2017, 02:21 PM | #56 |
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I'm dropping this show.
I promised myself, after the first episode didn't exactly wow me, I would stick with it, until the full 9-person starting lineup came together. Then, I felt, I would have an idea of where the show is going. I still don't like what I'm seeing. Everyone is either an idiot, or grating, or both. Also, way to keep with the space theme by... staying on earth for a while. |
03-16-2017, 02:56 PM | #57 |
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Gee, it's almost like there have only been 5 episodes. But surely, if they haven't answered any lingering questions by now they never will. Cause, I mean, they only have, at minimum, 43 episodes left to address all this stuff. How will they ever find the time!?!?
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Why is that stupid? I admit it's kind of a throwaway joke, but I think we did see Stinger go through a pretty dramatic arc in the episode. We saw his change of heart play out in the episode, and that was effectively executed, even if at the end it was undercut by the reveal that he was a spy all along.
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But think about how that reveal rounds out Commander Dragon Dumpling's character. His actions show he's willing to lie to and manipulate his subordinates -- to put them through the emotional wringer -- to achieve his objectives. I think that's pretty interesting, and it isn't the first sign of questionable morality from the big purple furry. His mission is clearly noble, but his methods are questionable. That complexity is unusual in Sentai, which rarely gives us heroes with shades of gray. Already, Kyuranger has given us two less-than-fully-heroic heroes in the Commander and Stinger, and that makes me pretty happy.
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03-16-2017, 06:23 PM | #58 |
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Yeah, so, putting two and two together here, I'm gonna go ahead and say anywhere in the 18-24 range we're going to see this kid either become a Kyuranger during the big climax of them saving Earth or, after they do that, be like "Wait guys, I wanna be a Kyuranger too! Take me with you so I can help beat up Jark Matter!" before they leave.
We'll see though. If they're explicitly calling this an arc there's basically zero chance they're staying here until the end of the show, especially since they explicitly talk about liberating Earth first in the episode.
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03-17-2017, 12:41 AM | #59 |
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So that's it for the planet hopping huh? The rest of the show is going to be constrained to Earth now? God I hate it when I'm right sometimes.
This episode was average. Hopefully now that the 9 rangers are introduced we can actually start developing the characters and plot and introduce villains that aren't going to suck. |
03-17-2017, 02:11 PM | #60 |
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Yeah no, you're reading way too much into this. The joke is that he seems unprofessional and happy go lucky but is apparently a serious strategist who only hides his abilities for a reason we might or might not find out. Right now there's nothing I would call "complex" about him.
Look, if you're going to watch and criticize this show, you need to meet it on its own terms. Sentai is, in many many many ways, not objectively good. Every single show contains a multitude of glaring flaws, and it's extremely easy to pick them apart if you're not sold on a particular show's chemistry (whether that's because you don't like the actors, the designs, the music, the fights, the SFX, or a combination of any number of other ephemeral elements). Like, for example, I passionately hate Magiranger. But do I think it's objectively worse than any other Sentai show? No, I just have an intensely negative emotional reaction to the entire cast. Similarly, I love Zyuohger -- is that because the show is better than most other Sentai? Emphatically no -- I just really love the cast's dynamics and the show's overall design aesthetic. (Caveat 1: Obviously, there are shows that are objectively better or worse than others, from a pure craft standpoint, but the difference in quality level is often and heavily exaggerated.) The joy of Sentai, for me at least, is not often found in its unquestionably high level of quality. The joy is found in how the creators solve problems given their production limitations and time constraints, and how the writers employ certain omnipresent tropes and well-worn stories in subtly unique ways. In that way, Sentai is almost the definition of pulpy, "low" art. If you go into it expecting the creators to layer nuanced drama with multifaceted characters and never-before-seen plot twists every single episode, you're going to be disappointed. (Caveat 2: Obviously, that's not to say the shows never execute these things well, it's just rare to see them consistently employed over a whole series, especially in a show's first 20-ish episodes.) If the show is not working for you, it's not working for you. But I doubt it's because it's so much more flawed than any other Sentai. I notice you've moderated your tone a bit, going from "this sucks" to "I just don't like it." If my post contributed in any way to that, I call it a win. Last edited by Kamen Rider Lucha; 03-17-2017 at 02:23 PM.. |
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