|
Community Links |
Members List |
Search Forums |
Advanced Search |
Go to Page... |
|
Thread Tools |
03-13-2022, 03:58 PM | #111 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,159
|
Quote:
And then, it's also letting Sougo be a help, because Geiz and Tsukuyomi are pretty bad at just existing in a place? They're great at Time Missions and stuff, but they're not great at being two teenagers. Sougo can help them out with that, which makes his-- his whole thing come off a little more useful. She's playful in the main episode! She blows on that pinwheel!
__________________
Currently working on: Go-Busters is next! Archive of previous shows on KamenRiderDie.com! |
03-13-2022, 06:09 PM | #112 |
Some guy. I'm alright.
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Michigan
Posts: 4,411
|
Quote:
Quote:
In particular, the idea of the two of them always having that one part of their outfit they never stop wearing was a stroke of genius in my book. I adore how literally it visually represents the idea that they never *quite* grasp how to blend in with the crowd. It makes them seem kind of adorably dumb, and that's something that fits right in with Sougo.
Quote:
This is completely subjective stuff though. If the show establish that as a rule then yeah, gotta work up on that. This has been told before too in the Build 2-parter that only the same power can beat the Another Rider. I also think that the Another Rider can only be beaten by the same power is a no limits fallacy anyway, like, I don't believe that really overpowered Riders (or other power wielder) can't put down a pseudo-MOTW in Another Riders. The heroes being at standstill isn't equal to banging their heads against the wall as they aren't in hopeless situation as in Cronus debut or something.
__________________
|
03-13-2022, 09:08 PM | #113 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,159
|
KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 4 - “NO CONTINUES 2016”
Episodes 3 and 4… they’re just a better introduction to this show? In almost every way? It’s not wildly different than the first two episodes, when you think about it. The broad strokes are the same: Another Rider, mistrust, exposition, Time Jacker, a Legend Rider gracefully abdicating their power to the newest hero, Sougo hilariously screwing up a finisher, lessons learned. It’s a standard early-series thing, where we’re establishing a formula so that the viewers can get comfortable with this year’s storytelling. The beats are pretty similar. They’re just executed so well, where the show is both leveraging the Legend Rider aspect better, and letting the kids of Team Zi-O feel more like characters and less like plot pieces. It’s a set of episodes that draw smartly from Ex-Aid’s version of Teamwork, where it’s more about finding commonality with people you don’t like in order to achieve a shared goal. The heroes of Ex-Aid mostly despised each other, but they still managed some Perfect Co-op when the moment required it. They looked past their conflicting motivations and general messiah/martyr complexes to see that they wanted the same thing, just for different reasons. Achieving their shared goal was a positive for everyone, so it was worth tabling their feuds for a few minutes. That’s pretty much Geiz and Sougo? Geiz isn’t convinced that Oma Zi-O isn’t only a couple charmingly-obtained RideWatches away for Sougo, and Sougo can’t really convince him that there isn’t a chance that Oma Zi-O is where this all ends up. There’s all this mistrust and uncertainty to what the future holds, and what the best course of action is… so maybe it’s easier to focus on the present? On the immediate task? Fighting Another Rider, saving a life, it doesn’t really matter what Sougo thinks of Geiz or what Geiz thinks of Sougo. The outcome is positive, so it’s worth pursuing together. The Ex-Aid character comparisons from last episode, with Geiz and Hiiro, continue in this episode, but not at all how I’d expected. It’s a little thread about how the bottomless empathy and desire to avoid conflict for Team Zi-O is Tsukuyomi, not Sougo. (He's a sweet kid in this one, though.) While Geiz is the headstrong I’m Not Here To Make Friends grump that made Hiiro go It Me, Sougo listens to Emu plead with a crazed father to stop harming innocents and looks to Tsukuyomi, to say We Have One Of Those On Our Team Too. Sougo sees the way that she holds out hope that people can be better than their worst moment, and sees Emu’s compassion, and really gets how he fits into this group of weirdo teenagers. It’s an episode that massively rehabilitates Sougo’s place in the group from the horrifying disregard of the first couple episodes. He’s starting to see that Geiz and Tsukuyomi aren’t wacky neighbors or impetuous killers, they’re two people who are here to host a year-long intervention for him. The series stakes are legitimized by humanizing them; by seeing Geiz’z anger and Tsukuyomi’s uncertainty, and caring about them both, Sougo has to treat Oma Zi-O as a real threat. He has to be a better person, now, today, for these two kids. He needs to be a positive influence on the world, because he sees how worried they are. His actions matter now. It’s a phenomenal episode for our team. It takes all of the best non-Lazer parts of Ex-Aid (I love how they explicitly set the 2016 stuff in the second episode of Ex-Aid so that 1, Hiiro could be a massive asshole; and 2, there’d be a canonical reason why only Brave and Ex-Aid are around) to tell a story about working with people who you aren’t quite friendly with, and how a good team includes multiple viewpoints to see all the possibilities. It’s a story so smart and mature that I think it put Emu through puberty again? (His voice got so deep!) — KAMEN RIDER ZI-O COMPLEMENTATION PROJECT EPISODE 4.5 - “A CONFESSION FROM LEGENDS” PLEASE STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN THESE THINGS. THE EXPLANATIONS ARE CONFUSING AND RIDDLED WITH PLOTHOLES. EX-AID LOSING HIS POWERS IN 2016 WOULDN’T AFFECT BRAVE, BECAUSE BRAVE GOT HIS POWERS FIRST. IT DEFINITELY ALSO WOULDN’T AFFECT GENM, WHO WOULD PROBABLY END UP RULING THE WORLD. YOU ARE ONLY MAKING IT WORSE. You’re also making Sougo more relatable by his confusion, so I guess it’s not all bad? (Also, Geiz, you and Sougo are friends. Just accept it.) (Also also, no, I will not be calling Emu “B-M”. Never. That’s rude.)
__________________
Currently working on: Go-Busters is next! Archive of previous shows on KamenRiderDie.com! |
03-13-2022, 09:25 PM | #114 |
Alias: ZeroEnchiladas
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,578
|
Yeah okay, see for the whole Rider Powers disappearing you need to understand that in this series, the Main Rider is basically the center of everything and if they're erased, everything falls apart and ceases to exist. Like just everything related to stuff.
Anyway in terms of these episodes, this basically completes our full introductory arc of the status quo. While 1 and 2 definitely set up things, 3 and 4 basically fully set up everything. Not much to say other than I really love Ex-Aid Armor's gauntlet hammers! This time for our BGM Preview we have two sets of BGM Swaps given the content of next time. For this one in particular I prefer the first one but I appreciate the added touches in the second BGM Swap. Zero's Legend Episode Previews Corner - EP 5 Preview: |
03-13-2022, 09:33 PM | #115 |
Reiei
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 3,691
|
Not relating to anything to the topic at hand apart from being ZI-O related, but...
Tsukuyomi a cute. That's it. |
03-13-2022, 09:34 PM | #116 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,159
|
__________________
Currently working on: Go-Busters is next! Archive of previous shows on KamenRiderDie.com! |
03-13-2022, 09:37 PM | #117 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,159
|
This is relevant! I will allow it! I will also agree with it!
__________________
Currently working on: Go-Busters is next! Archive of previous shows on KamenRiderDie.com! |
03-13-2022, 10:00 PM | #118 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: World of Ataru
Posts: 857
|
Huh that was kind of fast it almost feels like you kind of done a 180 on Sougo and your investment on the whole conflict between him and the future thanks to humanizing Geiz and Tsukuyomi. I thought it would've taken at least 5 episodes lolm
But yeah I'm echoing how you feel that this was a better introduction arc than the actual premeire it establish a base formula, characters, and antagonist while allowing the cast to grow through interaction both with themselves and the Legends. I also love the blending of using actual episodes as times go back to. It a easy way of incorperating nostalgia with the plot seeing Ex-Aid episode 2 again but this time with a robot flying over it. Also for no other reason I'm posting this image. I just love the color grading on Brave costume in this scene. It makes blue even more appealing than it already is too me
__________________
Last edited by GrandComplete; 03-13-2022 at 10:02 PM.. |
03-13-2022, 10:06 PM | #119 |
Precure enthusiast
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Amongst the Cosmos
Posts: 304
|
Episode 4....
-It's been a while since Ex-Aid, I don't remember if Emu was always the type to be weirdly cryptic about his plans, or its just an odd quirk of Zi-O's writing. Him trying to make the dad voluntarily give up his powers definitely felt like Emu to me tho. -I feel like the Ridewatch handoff here too, was also slightly better than Bulid? With Sougo understanding what Emu's plan was and being willing to help, drawing parallels between Tsukuyomi and Emu. Feels more like a better way of doing the "Oh this kid's alright! sure I'll give you this weird watch that I'm not even sure why I'm carrying this!" thing. -that last scene with our trio?? With Sougo essentially telling them to pull the trigger whenever they feel is right, because he trusts their judgement? I think this is where I first looked at Sougo at anything other than neutral, I think it says alot about him that while he's not giving up on his dreams of becoming King, he does properly recongize how severe Oma Zi-O is as a threat and is willing to die by Tsukuyomi and Geiz's hands, yknow? -Side note.....I know we briefly talked about Geiz and Tsukuyomi's fashion sense lasttime, but can we talk about Sougo's? I noted he dresses rather plainly in my first watch, but I'd forgotten how Baggy his clothes are, dude's drowning in there. Sougo's actor has a pretty small frame, so maybe they wanted him to look a bit bigger? (But it kinda backfires whenever he puts the Jiku Driver on, it gives him a cinched waist look lmao) Quote:
Like, how far back does the "Making Sure This Person Doesn't Become A Rider" rewrites go? Do you just make sure they never get the Driver in their hands? For Riders with specific conditions to become one (Smash essence intake, Bugster Virus, etc), do we erase those events as well? What happens to Rider suits who has multiple users, like Build? Erase the Driver from existence i guess, but that opens up another can of worms.....It's an endless rabbit hole, better to not think about it too much. |
03-13-2022, 10:26 PM | #120 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,159
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I think this is where I first looked at Sougo at anything other than neutral, I think it says alot about him that while he's not giving up on his dreams of becoming King, he does properly recognize how severe Oma Zi-O is as a threat and is willing to die by Tsukuyomi and Geiz's hands, yknow?
Quote:
Side note.....I know we briefly talked about Geiz and Tsukuyomi's fashion sense lasttime, but can we talk about Sougo's? I noted he dresses rather plainly in my first watch, but I'd forgotten how Baggy his clothes are, dude's drowning in there. Sougo's actor has a pretty small frame, so maybe they wanted him to look a bit bigger? (But it kinda backfires whenever he puts the Jiku Driver on, it gives him a cinched waist look lmao)
Quote:
Like, how far back does the "Making Sure This Person Doesn't Become A Rider" rewrites go? Do you just make sure they never get the Driver in their hands? For Riders with specific conditions to become one (Smash essence intake, Bugster Virus, etc), do we erase those events as well? What happens to Rider suits who has multiple users, like Build? Erase the Driver from existence i guess, but that opens up another can of worms.....It's an endless rabbit hole, better to not think about it too much.
I hate that idea so much.
__________________
Currently working on: Go-Busters is next! Archive of previous shows on KamenRiderDie.com! |
|
TokuNation News & Rumors |
Shodo SUPER Kyoryuger Teaser |
Figuarts/Seihou GRIDMAN |
SH Figuarts BoonBoomger Red |
Hasbro Licenses Power Rangers Toys to Playmates Toys |
Discotek Media Licenses Mobile Cop Jiban |
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:22 PM.
|