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11-17-2021, 03:39 AM | #51 |
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Oh, so you're also someone who longs for pure classic heroism too. I thought otherwise regarding how Tendou and Tsukasa are your favorites among the main protagonists (and also appreciating Onodera more than Godai), as pure classic heroism is seen in most of the main Riders? Unless you have your own definition of what it means for pure classic heroism (and if people'd want for characters to become like Tendou and Tsukasa.. or Takumi, it'd just make pure classic heroism even more of a rare sight). Edit: I also like to bring up something I just thought during this same scene. When Sakura said "what's the point of protecting others, if you can't protect your family?", just felt like she (during that time) has no ground in that argument since she's the only one in the room not wearing a belt and going out there fighting. It also kind of looked like she said that other peoples' lives pale in comparison to your own family. Yes, loved ones are important but so are the of others. Hope to see if they might bring them up once she gets her own belt. Last edited by TheRaizin; 11-17-2021 at 03:44 AM.. |
11-17-2021, 04:09 AM | #52 |
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Oh, so you're also someone who longs for pure classic heroism too. I thought otherwise regarding how Tendou and Tsukasa are your favorites among the main protagonists (and also appreciating Onodera more than Godai), as pure classic heroism is seen in most of the main Riders? Unless you have your own definition of what it means for pure classic heroism (and if people'd want for characters to become like Tendou and Tsukasa.. or Takumi, it'd just make pure classic heroism even more of a rare sight).
In the end, though, I think it's not that one model of hero is always more fun than the other, but having a variety of models to react to and play off of each other makes things more interesting. Which, bringing it back to Revice, is what Hiromi has the potential to be with how much he contrasts the rest of the riders so far! |
11-17-2021, 09:56 AM | #53 |
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No offense but I think you're missing some of the nuance of that scene (you talk about Hiromi smiling openly?). Hiromi previously is eager to take down Daiji as per Fenix' orders, and even encourages the hesitating Ikki to do the same (or him giving final blow). That can give an impression that Hiromi may be the pragmatic hero kind and probably can be self-righteous, the "shoot first ask later" type. But the scene of Hiromi smiling due to Daiji coming back to his senses as Live shows that Hiromi still hopes for the best outcome.
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11-18-2021, 03:43 PM | #54 |
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gonna take a shot in the dark here and give a guess to how sakura's belt works. So far each of the belts has been a kind of prototype on how to use demons to fight. Revice seems to separate power of the demon so the host can fight alongside it. the Twosidriver changes depending on who is in control of the body, and the Demons driver seems to literally be made out of a demon that you wear like power armor, which is metal as hell but probably super difficult and dependent on the demon they use. Revice fights with the demon, Twosi gives all the power to one party, and Demons takes all the power for the human to use. continuing that trend, i'm gonna guess Sakura's belt will externalize her demon entirely and let her puppeteer it, like a stand or a pokemon. it also might be a prototype of the revice driver, which is why it kind of looks like that one. That might also let them cut costs by giving her a deadman instead of a full on suit, though I admittedly don't relish that thought since I like sakura as a rider quite a bit.
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11-18-2021, 08:11 PM | #55 |
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I am now here... LIVE!!! (sorry, I had to.)
So overall, I really liked this episode... Of course, once again, Reiwa is still a little on the shaky ground in the early episodes (barring Zero-One, which had a fantastic start). First off, the Introduce Every Rider In The First Quarter routine, which isn't too big of an issue in a show that's supposed to introduce a bunch of cool looking suits, but then a lot ends up getting sidelined. For instance I love a lot of the Genomes for Revice, but once he gets his first power-up, they're going to become completely irrelevant, granted they will sprinkle them every now and again, but it's mainly the Rider's themselves who get the short stick. Demons has a Death Flag, partly because his belt isn't a standard release, second being his catchphrase as people have pointed out. Evil, we might not see until something really big happens. Now I actually liked Live's debut, but I have to agree with some of the criticisms about his design, as it does look a little generic. Maybe the visor could have looked more bat-like, or been a different color. Maybe his undersuit should have been a different color, instead of using Evil's because the colors feel a little off (Elemental Dragon comes to mind). But overall, when you consider how crazy some of the other suits in Revice look, he's definitely the weakest. I actually don't dislike Vice, Interestingly enough. But these abilities he can use are definitely going to be forgotten (remember the Vicecicle?), and he kind of deserves more spotlight than just being the "funny guy." He has some pretty strong scenes when he's alone with Ikki, but when he fights, he's just sort of... there. In short, he needs to take a few steps forward and a step back, which now that I say this, I think the whole season could learn that going forward. I also think that Vice is so peppy and goofy because Ikki is always going out of his way to be so nice, which actually fits how he's an attention hog which spawned Kagerou. I like Hiromi (yes, I don't mind the crying scene), I like George (who I'm convinced is the mastermind who just wants to live the Kamen Rider experience he's always dreamed of), but this show is falling under the pacing issues of Saber (which I honestly believe Saber did a better job at). And now Sakura's going to join Deadmans... At least we're getting this out of the way early. Next Episode: (Vice) "Ikki, think can you hit a woman?" Last edited by Daikaijuman54; 11-18-2021 at 08:49 PM.. |
11-18-2021, 08:40 PM | #56 |
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I honestly think they should drop alt forms in general. the base forms are what they use to sell the show but increasingly little screen time actually goes to those suits. like I'd rather sento just use rabbittank and have to find different ways to use his powers until his upgrade over him juggling ugly forms the whole way. Most of Revice's genomes look cool but don't even have moves, they're just stopgaps to remixes and you could skip them entirely.
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11-18-2021, 08:49 PM | #57 |
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Absolutely agree! The alternate forms in Rider are just add-ons to the gimmicks, if they really wanted them they should take a page from Ultraman where each form has it's own style: Speed, Magic, Strength, etc. or go the Sentai route and just use less forms and have one or two extra power-up forms. As much as I love seeing a bunch of forms, they really are just eye-candy and nothing more, with their only purpose in the show being for one or two situations where they're the optimal solution to defeat the Monster-of-The-Week.
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11-18-2021, 08:57 PM | #58 |
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There's also Wizard which, while he did have alternate forms; most of his rings instead gave him different attacks. That's kind of the route Zenkaiger's going right now in fact. There's also a few Ultras who get attachments like Victory's armaments.
Lots of interesting ways to do gimmicks! They're just never gone for
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11-18-2021, 09:02 PM | #59 |
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rider used to do it like that too. Kuuga had 3 alt forms which were fairly basic, and I think agito had the same deal. they just outright dropped alt forms for a while there until kiva brought them back, but I think Kiva had significantly fewer riders than the other shows. I'd really love to go back to the ryuki method where its just the base form, some weapons, a bunch of riders who get focus and then final forms around the mid point.
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11-18-2021, 09:27 PM | #60 |
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I personally liked Fourze's way of having 3 alternate forms with unique abilities, while the excessive toy shilling was focused on the auxiliary weapons/modules instead.
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