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03-14-2022, 03:11 PM | #131 |
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Maybe I'm totally off base here, but I moreso took the whole method of defeating Another Riders to more be the case that they can only be permanently defeated via the Ride Armors. Like, we clearly see our heroes defeating the Monster Riders in combat, it's just that without the proper Ride Armor, the Anothers can just get easily revived a short time afterward.
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 4 - ?NO CONTINUES 2016?
It?s a set of episodes that draw smartly from Ex-Aid?s version of Teamwork, where it?s more about finding commonality with people you don?t like in order to achieve a shared goal. The heroes of Ex-Aid mostly despised each other, but they still managed some Perfect Co-op when the moment required it. They looked past their conflicting motivations and general messiah/martyr complexes to see that they wanted the same thing, just for different reasons. Achieving their shared goal was a positive for everyone, so it was worth tabling their feuds for a few minutes. Quote:
That?s pretty much Geiz and Sougo? Geiz isn?t convinced that Oma Zi-O isn?t only a couple charmingly-obtained RideWatches away for Sougo, and Sougo can?t really convince him that there isn?t a chance that Oma Zi-O is where this all ends up. There?s all this mistrust and uncertainty to what the future holds, and what the best course of action is? so maybe it?s easier to focus on the present? On the immediate task? Fighting Another Rider, saving a life, it doesn?t really matter what Sougo thinks of Geiz or what Geiz thinks of Sougo. The outcome is positive, so it?s worth pursuing together.
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The Ex-Aid character comparisons from last episode, with Geiz and Hiiro, continue in this episode, but not at all how I?d expected. It?s a little thread about how the bottomless empathy and desire to avoid conflict for Team Zi-O is Tsukuyomi, not Sougo. (He's a sweet kid in this one, though.) While Geiz is the headstrong I?m Not Here To Make Friends grump that made Hiiro go It Me, Sougo listens to Emu plead with a crazed father to stop harming innocents and looks to Tsukuyomi, to say We Have One Of Those On Our Team Too. Sougo sees the way that she holds out hope that people can be better than their worst moment, and sees Emu?s compassion, and really gets how he fits into this group of weirdo teenagers.
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It?s an episode that massively rehabilitates Sougo?s place in the group from the horrifying disregard of the first couple episodes. He?s starting to see that Geiz and Tsukuyomi aren?t wacky neighbors or impetuous killers, they?re two people who are here to host a year-long intervention for him. The series stakes are legitimized by humanizing them; by seeing Geiz?z anger and Tsukuyomi?s uncertainty, and caring about them both, Sougo has to treat Oma Zi-O as a real threat. He has to be a better person, now, today, for these two kids. He needs to be a positive influence on the world, because he sees how worried they are. His actions matter now.
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03-14-2022, 03:38 PM | #132 |
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This episode also had Geiz' coldness being shaken a bit by a technically side character instead in Emu, who kinda pointed out that Geiz and Hiiro are alike as in which Geiz realized too late, while Geiz noted Hiiro is cold... Geiz himself is also similar. That's also a funny bit in this episode that had me laughing over Geiz having himself exposed.
These kids! So fun!
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03-14-2022, 05:07 PM | #133 |
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Zi-O - EP04)
This still isn't a super standout arc of the show for me, but looking back, I definitely still remember feeling like it set a much nicer standard for the show than the first pair of episodes did. The way the guest stars are worked in is more smooth, the pacing is much nicer, and there's stronger character development for the series regulars. Really not much to complain about. ...And personally, I've also never felt the need to complain about the whole central conceit of how Another Riders and Ride Watches work? Even now, I really feel like this single line from episode 2.5 is all you need to worry about: Like, basically the whole thing is just one big Shirakura-ism, in that they're taking something very meta and portraying it literally on screen. As a broad idea, I honestly kinda dig a lot about it. Die, you seem to be reading into it in the most negative way possible, but the existence of Kamen Rider is supposed to be tragic, and that goes way back before Zi-O. They only ever exist as a result of some evil system of authority or horrible event producing them, whether directly or indirectly. This is even the case for Sougo himself. I feel like if Zi-O is saying the only way to get rid of the heroes who try to turn that around is to just outright get rid of that entire chain of events, it's more of a testament to the indomitable Rider spirit than anything? Like, if Pandora's Box is around, Sento will become Build eventually, and he will fight for Love & Peace. I think that's probably what the end of episode 2 is trying to imply as well, by pointing out the blank Ride Watch will eventually become the Build Watch, and Sougo suggesting that's because even altering history won't stop Build from being Build. And of course, that answers your other gripe, by directly offering the hope that these fan-favorite characters aren't gone. (And you know, going back to the Shirakura-ism angle, they'll need these Riders again for more crossovers, so...) As for why these plots are written to end this way, admittedly, I'm not too sure. I know the middle is that way because having the guest Riders be de-powered keeps the focus on Zi-O and Geiz, where it belongs, but off the top of my head, all I can imagine is that they deliberately wanted to make Zi-O's victories feel like losses too, as some way to emphasize that Sougo's heroism may end up with him being the villain, but I don't know. It's a weird thing for an anniversary show to be doing, but just like its title character's personality, I feel like I wouldn't like Zi-O anywhere near as much if it wasn't doing weird things all the time.
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03-14-2022, 05:54 PM | #134 |
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I think my favorite aspect of the plot's pattern so far has been how the Legend Riders themselves have been both literally and symbolically trusting their lives with Sogo via handing him the Ride Watches. Can't wait to see how that ties with the little bits of foreshadowing that we've been getting from Woz.
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03-14-2022, 05:59 PM | #135 |
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And it's also... like, I'm upset about it because we're talking about it. The second we stop talking about it -- or the show stops spending time explaining the ever-escalating consequences of a real routine monster detonation -- I will stop being upset about it. It's not like I've been stewing in anger for the last twenty-four hours. This isn't going to harm my enjoyment of the show or anything, and I doubt it's going to be among the first twenty things I want to talk about when the show's over. It's like Sougo's worrisome desire to be a Good Tyrant: it's very easy to forget about it, as long as they stop talking about it. So, yeah, it's nice to hear how everyone has made their peace with -slash- grown to appreciate the show going Your Favorite Kamen Rider Series Never Existed, but it's just not a place I can get my brain to go. Rest of the show's real fun, though!
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03-14-2022, 06:13 PM | #136 |
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Well color me excited to catch up.
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03-14-2022, 06:15 PM | #137 |
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For what it’s worth, the writer did have a plan to explore how different every Rider’s world would be without there being Riders or monsters, but he lacked both space in the script and money in the budget necessary to pull it off.
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03-14-2022, 06:21 PM | #138 |
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You know, I haven't really seen anyone talking about it, but I just really like the katakana/hiragana aesthatic of the suits?
Just the little things, like how Sougo's Rider Shoe has the katakana for 'kick' on it, and the way his first Rider Kick is portrayed so that his visor and shoe line up to spell out "Rider Kick". The way part of said visor extends to form a second hand. And in the latest episode, how Sougo's Critical Time Break utilizes the same 'Hit' effects used in Ex-Aid, but written in katakana instead of English. The way the weapons shift as well, with the spelling literally changing with the weapon to indicate what mode it is in, just stands out to me and looks so cool. Geiz's weapon in particular, the Zikan Zax, just really tickles my funny bone. The sound effects that occur when Geiz changes his weapon forms are named after said weapon forms, "Yumi" for bow and 'Ono' for axe, but are intentionally separated so that we get "You! Me!" and "Oh no!" instead. And that is just hilarious to me. "Oh no! An axe!" I also just really like the base form suits (but I also have trash taste in fashion, so you know, take what I say with a grain of salt). They're basically walking wristwatches, with the helmets being the literal faces of the watch while the straps form the divider in the middle of the suits. It's a very simple design, and yet I just really like it. I just really like how they combined these two different themes, of clocks and Japanese lettering, and somehow make it work. And I am in love with it.
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03-14-2022, 06:42 PM | #139 |
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I think my favorite aspect of the plot's pattern so far has been how the Legend Riders themselves have been both literally and symbolically trusting their lives with Sogo via handing him the Ride Watches. Can't wait to see how that ties with the little bits of foreshadowing that we've been getting from Woz.
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You know, I haven't really seen anyone talking about it, but I just really like the katakana/hiragana aesthatic of the suits?
Just the little things, like how Sougo's Rider Shoe has the katakana for 'kick' on it, and the way his first Rider Kick is portrayed so that his visor and shoe line up to spell out "Rider Kick". The way part of said visor extends to form a second hand. And in the latest episode, how Sougo's Critical Time Break utilizes the same 'Hit' effects used in Ex-Aid, but written in katakana instead of English. The way the weapons shift as well, with the spelling literally changing with the weapon to indicate what mode it is in, just stands out to me and looks so cool. Geiz's weapon in particular, the Zikan Zax, just really tickles my funny bone. The sound effects that occur when Geiz changes his weapon forms are named after said weapon forms, "Yumi" for bow and 'Ono' for axe, but are intentionally separated so that we get "You! Me!" and "Oh no!" instead. And that is just hilarious to me. "Oh no! An axe!" I also just really like the base form suits (but I also have trash taste in fashion, so you know, take what I say with a grain of salt). They're basically walking wristwatches, with the helmets being the literal faces of the watch while the straps form the divider in the middle of the suits. It's a very simple design, and yet I just really like it. I just really like how they combined these two different themes, of clocks and Japanese lettering, and somehow make it work. And I am in love with it.
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03-14-2022, 07:56 PM | #140 |
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I think my favorite aspect of the plot's pattern so far has been how the Legend Riders themselves have been both literally and symbolically trusting their lives with Sogo via handing him the Ride Watches. Can't wait to see how that ties with the little bits of foreshadowing that we've been getting from Woz.
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