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04-23-2023, 07:20 AM | #111 |
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Oh hey, another sub difference.
This was an episode that, while alot of what it does is pretty cool in seclusion, in terms of series composition, I would've been way more emotionally invested had it happened later on down the line after getting to know Daiji a bit more. It also marked the point I realized that Ikki really doesn't have any sort of agency in the overall plot, and likely never will despite his mother's' push to have him do so via the Fenix contract. Vice is far more of a lead character currently, interestingly. It's also the first time we get a hint at George's' preferences, which is a nice little detail to have. As well, episode 8 features one of the cooler Line Texts, wherein what is probably Ikki's' biggest flaw gets a major highlight for the first time.
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04-23-2023, 08:16 AM | #112 |
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Oh this was a rather fun episode.
Kagero is very petty, but given this is Daiji we're talking about, it's not very surprising that petty is one of Kagero's biggest personality quirks. But I also love that there is no real big plot with him, it's just "Let them enjoy their weekend and then ruin it at the best moment". It's so simple yet it works extremely well. Also George I'd like to talk to you about your Driver aesthetics, because why in Fruit Jesus' name would you think "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" is an acceptable Driver standby? I say this though I laugh whenever I hear it. But yeah Die, you basically mentioned the reasons as to why I found the episode enjoyable. A lot of it is setup with the Igarashi's just enjoying themselves while things happen in the background, culminating in a big punch to the face from Kagero to Ikki. Then everything just spirals out of control into a bit of a downer note as we finally kick off the Evil Arc after meandering a bit with the various single episode stamp cases. Something that did surprise me though was the second family that had been around since the first episode and sorta just vanished afterwards. It's interesting to see them again... and also odd given just what they were up to this episode. Regardless, it was an overall fun episode. And also if you thought Revice was free from receiving a sword just cause he had a gun axe, then you're wrong. Our new hammer saw to that. |
04-23-2023, 06:21 PM | #113 |
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as usual I'm late I don't like Revice but these episodes are fine the issues I have with Revice don't become apparent until later
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04-23-2023, 07:29 PM | #114 |
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This was an episode that, while alot of what it does is pretty cool in seclusion, in terms of series composition, I would've been way more emotionally invested had it happened later on down the line after getting to know Daiji a bit more. It also marked the point I realized that Ikki really doesn't have any sort of agency in the overall plot, and likely never will despite his mother's' push to have him do so via the Fenix contract.
And I like that Ikki lacks agency, even though it sounds like you don't? I like the flipside of I Need To Protect My Family resulting in a sort of stasis for Ikki; an inability to see what individual growth or happiness might look like. I hope it's a thing the show addresses! Quote:
Kagero is very petty, but given this is Daiji we're talking about, it's not very surprising that petty is one of Kagero's biggest personality quirks. But I also love that there is no real big plot with him, it's just "Let them enjoy their weekend and then ruin it at the best moment". It's so simple yet it works extremely well.
Good to know! Thanks for sharing!
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04-23-2023, 07:38 PM | #115 |
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And I like that Ikki lacks agency, even though it sounds like you don't? I like the flipside of I Need To Protect My Family resulting in a sort of stasis for Ikki; an inability to see what individual growth or happiness might look like. I hope it's a thing the show addresses!
If I can handle Harry Potter lacking alot of agency for like five movies, I can very much deal with Ikki lacking it for 8+ episodes.
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04-23-2023, 10:22 PM | #116 |
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE EPISODE 9 - “KAGEROU RUNS RAMPANT! THE IGARASHI BROTHERS… TORN APART!?”
Great episode for exploring the larger themes of the series! Maybe not super great for giving a shit about Kagerou as a character or villain! One of the big thesis statements of this show is that, by ignoring the parts of ourselves we dislike, we’re actually empowering them. The solution to inner turmoil and negative thinking is to draw that stuff out into the open, confront it, and find some way to make peace with it. Ikki and Vice are the hopeful outcome that prove the thesis, what with their Kamen Ridering for justice and family and busybodying and so forth, but Daiji and Kagerou are the cautionary tale that do the same. Daiji thought he could refuse to acknowledge his envy and resentment towards his older brother, but all that did was create a vengeful jealousy monster with naturally-occurring makeup and no particular strategy. Rather than accept his own emotional shortcomings – along with, uh, his psychological and physical ones; Daiji’s… not bringing a lot to the table yet – Daiji clamped down on his darker impulses until it was too late to address them. In lieu of self-examination and counseling, now he’s got a death sentence from Fenix and a brother who may end up Rider Kicking him out of a possession and into the afterlife. And yet… god, Kagerou’s not much to talk about in the moment to moment of this show? He’s just a walking Stamp Story: causing chaos, getting beat, wandering off, repeat. Beyond emotionally torturing Ikki – which is, admittedly, his entire stated goal – he’s not really elevating the narrative structurally. Thematically, yes, absolutely, see above. But the shape of this episode isn’t especially appealing, even compared to some of the lackluster prior installments. It’s honestly, I think, down to how unimpressive the actor’s performance is for Kagerou. It’s just one-note, and that note is He Smiles Too Much. There’s no charisma or menace to Kagerou, no sense of anything lurking under the surface. When he breaks everything down for Ikki at the end – that Ikki’s positive qualities created a raging envy in Daiji – it’s the most animated and expressive the character has been to date… but it’s all under the Evil mask. This should’ve been the scene where Kagerou’s motivation blossomed into something complicated and tragic, but it’s all delivered as a jab at Revi from Evil, not an emotional bombshell from one brother to another. Kagerou never quite feels as threatening as an unhinged, resentful Daiji should be, and the Evil plots match that uninspired performance. But it still works, because of how much the episode centers on the Igarashis’ response to Evil’s (repetitive, generic) activities. The whole point of the episode is about how a family solves problems internally, and how we need to see every part of the people we love in order to best care for each other. Ikki’s unable to stop Kagerou because he can’t see past his brother’s face, but even when he does, he can’t forget that Kagerou comes from something deep inside Daiji; Daiji isn’t possessed by some outside force, Kagerou literally came from inside him. The terror of Kagerou for the Igarashi family isn’t that Daiji’s trapped, it’s that Kagerou is the part of Daiji he never wanted anyone to see. When Ikki’s tasked with bringing Daiji home, it’s not because of Revi or Vice or stamps or Drivers, it’s because Ikki’s always been the one who most understood Daiji, even when no one else did. The problem in this one… it’s not a Kamen Rider problem, and that’s why the cliffhanger is Ikki trying to solve it as one: a cliffhanger only works if it’s making things worse. The solution isn’t to defeat Kagerou, it’s to save Daiji. Those are two different things. We’ll see if Ikki figures that out next time!
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04-23-2023, 11:06 PM | #117 |
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#NiceVice!
Gonna have to use that every now and again whenever Vice is a treat in an episode. I do like how while showboating, he does prove that he's a legitimate fighter against a Deadman if he really tries to. Helps that he has all those toys, but like, give him two more minutes and he probably would've gotten done with that Brachio Deadman. Not much to say on this episode since it's clearly set-up episode and an exploration of the fallout that happened last time. Also I do find it funny how we decided to give Evil the Jackal Genome as like a standard form though because they for sure do not want to film anymore Revi skateboarding scenes anytime soon. Though I will admit it's funny you mention how the portrayal of Kagero isn't the best... when people consider Kagero the best part of Daiji as a character. Just an amusing note is all. Admittedly I think the one scene I enjoyed the most was towards the very beginning. Where Papa, Sakura, and Ikki are all gloomy, and then they slowly emerge into the main lobby of the bathhouse to see Mama Igarashi still working hard and acting cheerful because they've got a business and household to run so that there's something for Daiji to come back to. |
04-23-2023, 11:26 PM | #118 |
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I admit I barely remember this episode beyond Kagero beating some random shmucks and making them his minions and one of them wearing one of Banjo‘s clothes.
Besides that? Yeah, got basically nothing. This really didn’t leave any sort of impact on me, probably because of how little I connected to any of the characters yet. They all have been incredibly one-note and really not shown themselves as likeable yet. Including Daiji who this entire thing revolves around. He‘s been mostly envious of Ikki and not much beyond. And that is a problem I have with the show in general, it repeats instead of developing something but confuses that for depth. We rarely get new angles on things, we just get the same angle on repeat. So, yeah, not exactly bad, but completely forgettable, which is kinda worse.
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04-23-2023, 11:33 PM | #119 |
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Admittedly I think the one scene I enjoyed the most was towards the very beginning. Where Papa, Sakura, and Ikki are all gloomy, and then they slowly emerge into the main lobby of the bathhouse to see Mama Igarashi still working hard and acting cheerful because they've got a business and household to run so that there's something for Daiji to come back to.
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This really didn?t leave any sort of impact on me, probably because of how little I connected to any of the characters yet. They all have been incredibly one-note and really not shown themselves as likeable yet. Including Daiji who this entire thing revolves around. He?s been mostly envious of Ikki and not much beyond. And that is a problem I have with the show in general, it repeats instead of developing something but confuses that for depth. We rarely get new angles on things, we just get the same angle on repeat.
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04-24-2023, 01:55 AM | #120 |
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So fun fact, Wataru Hyuuga, the guy playing Daiji, modelled his performance as “K-Daiji” on Tom Hiddleston as Loki in The Avengers (specifically, The Avengers, from what I can tell. Not any of the Thor movies or his Disney+ show, which give him a bit nuance).
And as a Sakamoto episode (feels weird we haven’t mentioned directors so far, but that’s what happens when Fish Sandwich isn’t a regular commenter. All I can say is that the guy playing George, Noritaka Hamao, got super excited whenever he worked with someone who directed Kuuga), there’s a lot of alumnus from older Tokusatsu shows. The three scammers in this arc are respectively Hiroya Matsumoto, previously Tsubasa/MagiYellow in Magiranger, Jin/Beet Buster in Go-Busters and Hoshi Minato in Kyuranger, as the older male, Mizuki Saiba, previously Kakihara in the Yodonna specials (and as a recurring guest role beforehand in Kiramager) as the sole female and Tetsuji Sakibara, who was previously Spada/Kajiki Yellow in Kyuranger (there’s a lot of Kyuranger alumnus in later Revice media, owing to the producer having worked on that show. Heck, we already have one, since the guy voicing Vice was the narrator/mecha voice for that show) as the younger male. Those facts are being shared so I can segue into this. Ikki: It’s Ikki’s… Vice: And Vice’s… Both: Stamp Navi! Ikki: And today’s stamp is this one! Kamakiri! Now, unbeatable slash! I’m a cross! Mantis! In the gang, on stage! Ikki: Kamakiri Genome can use both close and long range attacks. The twin Kamakiric Arrow can combine to fire multiple shots. Vice: In short, it lets us avoid that Kagerou bastard’s sword while being able to hit him ourselves. George: You have truly obtained a power that would make you stronger. Truly worthy of today’s Legend. Desire Driver: Gaim! Kouta: Henshin! Soiya! Orange Arms! In the Spotlight, On Stage! George: Kamen Rider Gaim, Kouta Kazuraba. When he started out, he was just some punk kid who stumbled across a belt. However, through his battles and efforts to save the world, he was able to take the power to create a new world into his hands, becoming the Man of the Beginning who created a new civilisation using his own strength. Ikki: ‘His own strength’, huh? I wish I could be like this Kouta. George: Currently, you’re more like Taketora Kureshima, what with this whole Daiji business. (Suddenly, the Older Male Scammer, Younger Male Scammer and Female Scammer all enter) OMS: Excuse me, but do you need us for anything? Vice: (points at YMS) Hey, Ikki. I’m sure I’ve seen that guy before. Something to do with being a good chef… YMS: (thumbs upping) Grazie! OMS: Oh shit, you broke character. FS: Mou, Atsuta, why did I agree to this? Vice: Alright you guys, this joke’s exhausted itself. Vamoose! Depart! Seiza Go! (Taking the hint, the three leave) Ikki: What was that all about? Vice: We hope you enjoy the next instalment. Production notes for this segment: The originally planned joke was for a bait and switch where when Kagerou appears to stir up trouble again, a woman with blonde hair and a white dress appears to give them a warning… it’s Sakura wearing a wig to prepare for her role as the mother in a production of Red Riding Hood. She then forces Kagerou to play Red to help her remember their lines. It was scrapped because I couldn’t figure out how to have it make logical sense. |
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