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12-14-2017, 06:12 PM | #1 |
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Ive been re watching kamen rider and something i noticed is a lot of the more recent rider series have fewer and fewer monsters
Ex-aid and Gaim are the most obvious as they don't have as many designs from the series and reuse the same ones a lot, this is also the series with either a lot of riders or a lot of rider costumes -alternate modes and such. This got me wondering if its possible that the costume budget for the riders is cutting down our selection of monsters for them to fight. The reason I bring this up is that at 14 episodes 3 monsters have been reused in build with 15 showing 2 more reuses of old costumes now painted black/grey colors Now im not saying this is a bad thing reusing these and saying their powered up is ok but i worry it ill becomes like Ex-aid. One of the problems I have with Ex-aid is that its the same bad guys over and over again. Now it works with the story but consider if they had skipped using the chibi rider suits and cg bits that were the weakest part of the series and all but totally dropped after the first major arch would we have gotten more monsters? Also something else is that a lot of the power ups are used very very little we only ever see the Juju burger for one set and then its gone forever in the main series. So my question is was that the reason because if it is i think it was a major flaw. |
12-14-2017, 06:44 PM | #2 |
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Ive been re watching kamen rider and something i noticed is a lot of the more recent rider series have fewer and fewer monsters
Ex-aid and Gaim are the most obvious as they don't have as many designs from the series and reuse the same ones a lot, this is also the series with either a lot of riders or a lot of rider costumes -alternate modes and such. This got me wondering if its possible that the costume budget for the riders is cutting down our selection of monsters for them to fight. The reason I bring this up is that at 14 episodes 3 monsters have been reused in build with 15 showing 2 more reuses of old costumes now painted black/grey colors Now im not saying this is a bad thing reusing these and saying their powered up is ok but i worry it ill becomes like Ex-aid. One of the problems I have with Ex-aid is that its the same bad guys over and over again. Now it works with the story but consider if they had skipped using the chibi rider suits and cg bits that were the weakest part of the series and all but totally dropped after the first major arch would we have gotten more monsters? Also something else is that a lot of the power ups are used very very little we only ever see the Juju burger for one set and then its gone forever in the main series. So my question is was that the reason because if it is i think it was a major flaw.
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12-14-2017, 07:00 PM | #3 |
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Its one reason i don't enjoy those series as much because with Ex-aid the monsters don't have much in the way of personality save the leaders of all this, and the problem is the riders of that series and their support characters are really dull i just don't like them very much, it was the same for gaim they just don't click with me also both had suits that had really dumb design choices associated with them (their not all bad but many of them are). Plus the story lines of both were very weak and didn't make a lot of sense in places i suspect this is due to rewrites happening and such which happens but its still annoying.
At any rate with build we have so far 9 suits and 4 of them (ones used twice including episode 15 thats on sun) so here is the question are we going to get any more. Plus the burn smash was ryuga's girlfriend so i don't know if that will get reused. If they do a story where it causes him to freeze or something maybe but i don't know plus with the number of bottles we still are going to see i don't really see how you get a pyramid or deer out of these monsters |
12-15-2017, 10:59 AM | #4 |
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It didn't bother me much with Gaim or Ex-Aid because both shows rationalized it. The one where it really annoyed me was Ghost, because there was no obvious reason to heavily reuse the monster suits there and it just started feeling cheap (especially near the end with the constantly respawning super monsters).
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12-15-2017, 08:23 PM | #5 |
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the only thing with ghost was they did have a fair sized number of monsters but you are correct they also didn't have as many
one other thing is that they did in ghost that they did in ex-aid was to reuse parts of suits, the people who where just icons where slotting them to get add ons that where just the parts of the suits they could transplant. They did the same thing with the level 3 transformation trinkets they were in the EXACT SAME MONSTER but it had pieces of the bugster it belonged to instead of its regular armor pieces -they basicly did what ghost did in reverse. the one where they took parts and added it on to a default design showed up first and then the real ones show up. Im not sure what causes this but i suspect its the costume costs. With gaim and its EXCESSIVE number of lock seeds, im seriously annoyed with how many lock seeds they put in that series. Plus the monsters i just feel the designs where really weak, all the green ones look mostly the same, i just can't like the designs and one of the things i love about kamen rider and other toku shows is the monsters they fight its great seeing something weird and new each week. When i was a kid one of the things i did was draw my own monsters. The monsters are half the fun of a series like this. |
12-16-2017, 09:04 AM | #6 |
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I 100% agree. I love form changes for Riders, but I would gladly take a few less forms for more monster costumes every time. Especially when they're such useless and disused forms like Ex-Aid Juju Burger form (which, for the record, 'I' liked, but it might as well have not existed outside of its little arc).
Not every series NEEDS a ton of monsters; Gaim was all about a Rider war spurred on by Helheim, and it worked out just fine (opinion, obviously, but I feel the smaller amount of designs made them more uniform/believable as a species ecosystem). But I think that's just a larger annoyance for me personally with KR in general. I enjoy the series but having every new series be more focused on Rider v Rider gets stale real fast. The same complaint could be levelled all the way back to Agito, frankly, though not as much as some recent entries. Last edited by phantomsdaydreams; 12-16-2017 at 09:07 AM.. |
12-16-2017, 09:41 AM | #7 |
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It doesn't NEED a lot of monster but they help make the fights better. Rider gear doesn't change much without a new weapon or upgrade usually so the monsters help make the fights more fun as its something varied instead of the same fights over and over again like i gaim a lot of the fights felt very the same to me
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12-16-2017, 12:05 PM | #8 |
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I think there are a number of reasons why this is. But the first and foremost is toy sales.
Bandai have decided that, for better or worse, the best way to make money from toy sales is to produce massive toylines with a collectable gimmick. This gimmick is stretched to include as many as possible with the intention that people will keep buying the toys in order to "collect them all", a mentality which has served Pokemon well over the years. It's seems they've taken the attitude of "the more stuff there is to sell, the more money there is to make". They also seem to have a large say in the production of the show itself, as for them the show is effectively a commercial for their toys. Therefore they only want to feature stuff that can be sold to the public. This makes sense from a business perspective, only investing in stuff that you can profit off of is how many of the most successful businesses have operated. To add to this profit attempt the show has a limited budget (I suspect they may have learned off Saban that keeping the show budget low is a good way to profit more off it overall). Week to week monster designs, while cool, just aren't going to be viable long term toywise. Recurring antagonists however are because you can then recreate the fights from the show with the toys. Hence having characters like Machine Chaser, Kamen Rider Genm, Kamen Rider Chronos Night Rogue and Blood Stalk makes sense as they can serve as the character that gets fought and also be sold as a toy. I do agree though, it does get a bit ridiculous how many times these characters are "defeated" and yet it's never considered over until a specific point in the show when everything feels like it's more intense.
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12-16-2017, 08:19 PM | #9 |
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i under stand that already which is what makes me worried, its also something ive never understood. Why don't we see more monster figures? Heck when i was a kid all the power ranger monsters were hot sellers -this was before bandai here when to using the shitty plastics they have been and one reason stopped buying american morphers -the quality of the plastic is sub par and the designs are like Chinese knock offs of the real thing.
But the problem is that the riders have a lot more parts and since the costumes get used more are going to have to take a lot more punishment in a fight. which means extra copies. Personally i also don't see how their saving money when they produce so many foot soilder monsters like in gaim, unless their using editing to use only a dozen costumes to look like there are dozens -editing the footage together but either way i don't think its saving that much plus one of the reasons is that you don't make some monsters simple. a good example is the grasshopper gorongi or the mantis yummy simple effective and not overly complex costumes. I think that making some monsters simpler works. I also miss the orphenoce form faiz where they where human form and had great designs in monster form. |
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