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03-01-2021, 10:57 AM | #11 |
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Last time I can think of is Boukenger.
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03-01-2021, 11:49 AM | #12 |
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Kiramager, huh?
Hard to deny some of the flaws – there’s areas the imagination aspect could have been stronger, royalty is never fantastic, and of course Garza’s ending failed to stick the landing. I think if he had been the final boss we could be looking at one of the best Sentais ever here, and I'll always say that's the biggest problem Kiramager has. I keep thinking about Fish's wish for a world where Garza was the final boss and how that would have brought all the season's themes full circle, and compared to Emperor Yodon himself? Yeah, it's hard to deny. It's a shame really. All of which is to say… fuck me those are minor quibbles against an INCREDIBLE season! I haven’t felt so invested in and excited about a Sentai in a while; every character is stunning, it goes out of its way every other episode to do something completely wild and unexpected and anti-tropey of the franchise and pulls it off so so well, the direction is BRILLIANT, I just… it uses such a simple setting to dazzle and shine in every which way. In many ways it feels like they took the very specific Showa era of Sentai and revived that for the modern age, and I can hardly think of a better way to start off its 45th anniversary. Something I always think about with Kiramager that to me sums up what I feel about this show? The episode they got the Kiramei arrow. Usually an episode about limits - ESPECIALLY in toku - will have the characters surpassing those limits with determination and willpower to get their new power-up. And I’m cool with it! If I wasn’t I probably wouldn’t be into this franchise; it’s a great awesome statement of intent. But it just makes Kiramager all the more special when their lesson is that surpassing your limits is not a good thing and will burn you out and hurt you, and to that end they give the power-up a time limit and that’s the lesson here. The inspiration to know your limits, and that everyone has them and that it’s fine to have them. That’s the sort of subversion Kiramager always went for and it’s always to the end of a wonderful lesson, and that’s why I love this show There’s some issues to be sure, but… Kiramager was so special to me. I’m so glad I watched that.
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03-01-2021, 03:42 PM | #13 |
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It was a fun show. Probably my favorite Sentai since Zyuohger.
Some things could've been handled better, especially during the final stretch, but I still enjoyed watching it. |
03-01-2021, 08:04 PM | #14 |
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Like how Garza was supposed to have a beef with Juru initially, only for it to be subsided when Takamichi was introduced and focused on him, then for his last episodes he focuses on Juru again, when it's like "Oh yeah, he's supposed to have a beef with him"
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03-02-2021, 04:12 AM | #15 |
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That but most importantly for me how Garza wasn't evil at all, simply "hexed" by Emperor Yodon. That's so disappointing. His whole character dissolved right into nothingness, what a waste.
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03-02-2021, 10:16 AM | #16 |
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Well, that’s the end of the show. I’m not quite sure how to put my thoughts on the episode individually, so I think I’ll just put my thoughts on the whole series in.
The good: Shiguru. I like that that for once the show was ironically using the “Blue thinks he’s cool because he never smiles and knows a few poorly pronounced words of English” archetype, which just makes him all the more enjoyable. The comedy. While I didn’t think any of the comedy in the last two shows was bad per se, this show basically thrives on it. Carantula. Just goes to show that the guy who’s most likely to get a redemption is the guy you don’t think will get one until it comes up. The ending theme. I will be sorely disappointed if Takashi Deguchi doesn’t come back for a later series. The not as good. The show’s theme of creativity. As much as the show likes to pride itself on this concept, other than one episode with Shiguru working on a new sword technique, no-one actually creates anything. Even Juru, the one guy who does this on a regular basis, is basically just altering things that already exists (namely, the Kiramai Stones). Yet Garza having done this to Jouki is treated like a bad thing, which kind of undermines the message the show was going for. Which leads to my next point. Garza. The guy started out as a strong character and his final arc had an equally strong start… but then they squashed it by giving him an anti-climactic redemption that basically required them to rewrite everything we knew about him in order to work. Yodonna. While the twist of having a humanoid big bad is novel, they did nothing with it afterwards. Most humanoid villains tend to disguise themselves to pull off plans, yet other than her debut, Yodonna never does that. Garza’s relationships with the main cast. He starts off with a fairly strong rivalry with Juru, but then when Takamichi shows up, he diverts all his attention to him. And then that rivalry gets dropped all of a sudden to go back to Juru for his last two episodes. The comedy. Yes, I cited this as a strength, but there are times where it can be a bit too much. The Mecha fights. The lack of any real variety in the combinations used after a while makes the fights feel incredibly stale. The lack at a major combination doesn’t help in this regard. The sentient Mecha angle. Yeah, people think it’s done better than Abaranger’s, but people don’t really consider that a good example of one, heck in a poll, Juru/Fire wasn’t first place in the Red/Mecha partnerships (that was Sosuke/Speedor), nor was he the second (that was Koh/Tyramigo). The lack of any real elaboration on Juru’s link with Oradin (and later Galza). The finale tries to answer it but it falls flat and contradicts the start of the series by claiming hat it borough the Kiramagers together, (No, it got one of you onboard. The rest were already together) Sayo. Don’t get me wrong, she’s great. She just suffers from not getting much screen time. The bad. GoKiramager. ‘Nuff said. Emperor Yodon. The guy was just an unnecessary addition that dragged down the series. He has no personality or clear motives and his final plan is less the culmination of everything in the series so far and more him just making it up on the spot. With that said, I’d rate Kiramager 5/10. Not bad, but nothing to write home about either. Go-Onger still did basically everything this show did, but better. Even the handoff. I feel lord garza should be the unredeemable villain because the last 2 episodes doesn't feel like there was any personal or emotional stake. I was expecting an epic duke out with super red vs lord garza. Even ryusoulger despite being a poorly written series with the sacrifice at the end and stakes make the final battle more entertaining. I was expecting the orange kiramei stone to shatter and mabushina must give up her dream to revive her home world to save earth. The whole monologue chant cheering with Yodon just standing there felt so off. Everyone gets a happy ending even the queen is back. I swore they did another fake out again with Yodon emperor pinned by all 6 kiramager in magazine scans, but it never happened. The same with 02 vs arc1 in last year kamen rider series. A lot of last minute change possibly like how decade film a fake trailer for his MovieSz a decade agox. Yodonna will be retuning as well . her movie possibly take place before ending of the series like lupinranger vs. The minjo dream movie starring dan mitsu ft express also confirm to take place very early on in kiramager like a suppose summer movie according to the teaser clip from this finale. |
03-02-2021, 10:24 AM | #17 |
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Kiramager, huh?
Hard to deny some of the flaws – there’s areas the imagination aspect could have been stronger, royalty is never fantastic, and of course Garza’s ending failed to stick the landing. I think if he had been the final boss we could be looking at one of the best Sentais ever here, and I'll always say that's the biggest problem Kiramager has. I keep thinking about Fish's wish for a world where Garza was the final boss and how that would have brought all the season's themes full circle, and compared to Emperor Yodon himself? Yeah, it's hard to deny. It's a shame really. All of which is to say… fuck me those are minor quibbles against an INCREDIBLE season! I haven’t felt so invested in and excited about a Sentai in a while; every character is stunning, it goes out of its way every other episode to do something completely wild and unexpected and anti-tropey of the franchise and pulls it off so so well, the direction is BRILLIANT, I just… it uses such a simple setting to dazzle and shine in every which way. In many ways it feels like they took the very specific Showa era of Sentai and revived that for the modern age, and I can hardly think of a better way to start off its 45th anniversary. Something I always think about with Kiramager that to me sums up what I feel about this show? The episode they got the Kiramei arrow. Usually an episode about limits - ESPECIALLY in toku - will have the characters surpassing those limits with determination and willpower to get their new power-up. And I’m cool with it! If I wasn’t I probably wouldn’t be into this franchise; it’s a great awesome statement of intent. But it just makes Kiramager all the more special when their lesson is that surpassing your limits is not a good thing and will burn you out and hurt you, and to that end they give the power-up a time limit and that’s the lesson here. The inspiration to know your limits, and that everyone has them and that it’s fine to have them. That’s the sort of subversion Kiramager always went for and it’s always to the end of a wonderful lesson, and that’s why I love this show There’s some issues to be sure, but… Kiramager was so special to me. I’m so glad I watched that. I'm expecting a lot of non red jokes and puns for zenkaiger. I'm not sure if the movie act as a prologue that Segway in to the series or not anymore judging from preview. Maybe zenkaiger will continue the trend of non combining mecha. It would make sense to do an ultimate cluster brick if there's only one guy piloting unless the 6th ranger is not another mecha robo |
03-02-2021, 10:31 AM | #18 |
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I've seen rave review from youtube reviewers praising this show as one of the best in a decade since gokaiger gobuster etc, since it did so many thing rights . However, I admit they can't deny the fact this creative show on a budget cut took to easy way out and undid their creative buildup by putting the ultimate big bad as the generic op emperor instead of further double down on garza by making him unforgivable jealous prick that did kill of silver and persnap even oradin before they're revival in the finale with cyrstalia. It's so weird he stop killing silver after mabushina shows up and his lifelong hatred toward his bro ended with him tossing him to the generic base monster giant, so he can have a art duel with juru, which looks great until it Segway into the dream sequence of the past.
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03-02-2021, 11:43 AM | #19 |
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That freakin U-turn really pissed me off. Garza used that as a fake out one time, but then it's like "Oh no, he really is under his influence". We could've gotten a complete bastard as a villain, but no have to redeem somehow, I thought it was worse than Thouser in Zero One.
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03-02-2021, 02:44 PM | #20 |
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That freakin U-turn really pissed me off. Garza used that as a fake out one time, but then it's like "Oh no, he really is under his influence". We could've gotten a complete bastard as a villain, but no have to redeem somehow, I thought it was worse than Thouser in Zero One.
That was the route they should’ve taken IMO, drop the whole revival of Yodon and instead focus on the event that did make Garza change towards evil and have the fight more mentally than in reality. Let Juuru use that link he found to Garza to help him understand his own feelings. Or maybe something like Ultraman Geed's ending could've been better, where we can understand and sympathize with the villain and have the protagonist forgive him but don’t actually redeem the bad guy. |
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