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12-11-2018, 06:43 AM | #21 |
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Geez. I know I myself was complaining about Siren Striker not that long ago, but I'm surprised to see so many people so sour on the show nowadays, especially when the major story beats are finally kicking into gear.
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12-11-2018, 07:13 AM | #22 |
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I don't look at it with as much heart-eyes as I did for the first half of the series, but I think I've reached this state of being simultaneously resigned to it's flaws and also optimistic about it's final stretch. |
12-11-2018, 07:31 AM | #23 |
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The only good thing about this show is the actions, graphics, and interesting characters. The story is terrible and confusing. Usually I will hate a show with bad story but I somehow refuse to hate this one. There are some points where I think I will stop to watch this show but later I watch it anyway.
Anyway, this episode was fun but also irritating because I always knew that Noel is suspicious from a long time ago yet it revealed way too late. And they even haven't figured out the Lupinranger's identity! I was surprised that Noel wasn't a human, though. But he's definitely not a gangler. |
12-11-2018, 07:57 AM | #24 |
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The story is in no way confusing. And while your opinion on its quality is definitely based on personal preference(I don't particularly think its bad, but that's just me) its definitely a case of too little too late. There is an interesting, compelling plot here, they just waited WAY too late into the series to actually implement it. As much as I have loved this series, it has essentially been mostly filler and MOTW episodes, which coming off a series like Kyuranger, (which actually had multiple story arcs and was less dependent on the classic episodic nature of most Super Sentai series) is kinda a step back. But I think that also is partly due to the nature of this shows central theme; collect the pieces of the Lupin Collection. It inherently needs an episodic system to work right.
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12-11-2018, 08:05 AM | #25 |
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What surprises me a bit is that most of the complaints people are having aren't anything new. Presumably the hope was that they would've ironed out those issues by now, but the pacing of the story seems to be the head writer's style (on top of Zyuohger, Junko Komura was also one of the writers on Kamen Rider Wizard, a show that constantly gets flack because of how little happens), and frankly I think LuPat has done a significantly better job keeping things moving that Zyuohger. Despite the stable status quo, nearly every episode has fleshed out the characters or the world in ways that instantly disqualify them from being filler. The question of how little focus the Patrangers get has also been hounding the show for a while, and, waste of the premise or not, it always seemed evident from the start that the Lupinrangers were meant to be the "real" protagonists. The plot revolves around a Collection of objects only they and the Ganglers actually care about, the first episode was almost entirely about them, and they even get top billing in the name of the series. I've been meaning to find an excuse to mention this all year, but my personal theory is that Toei started with the fresh new motif of phantom thieves, and only decided to insert more cop Rangers when they realized a huge part of the appeal of stories about good guy thieves is them fighting cops who are usually also good guys. At any rate, despite the very, very unfortunate results of the lopsided focus (when was the last time we saw PatKaiser?), I think the show's portrayal of the Patrangers has actually gotten better over time. Their characters have gotten a lot more refined and the show became far less likely to do entire episodes that only serve to make the team look like clowns after the first few times. I don't know, it's just... obviously it's not a perfect show, but you could say that about pretty much any Sentai. I respect the opinion of anyone who's not enjoying it, but, personally, I still stand by my early verdict that Lupinranger VS Patranger is the most exciting Sentai we've had in years.
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12-11-2018, 08:41 AM | #26 |
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If it helps, I still love the show exactly as much as I did at the start, even though I more or less stopped posting in the episode threads somewhere around the middle.
What surprises me a bit is that most of the complaints people are having aren't anything new. Presumably the hope was that they would've ironed out those issues by now, but the pacing of the story seems to be the head writer's style (on top of Zyuohger, Junko Komura was also one of the writers on Kamen Rider Wizard, a show that constantly gets flack because of how little happens), and frankly I think LuPat has done a significantly better job keeping things moving that Zyuohger. Despite the stable status quo, nearly every episode has fleshed out the characters or the world in ways that instantly disqualify them from being filler. The question of how little focus the Patrangers get has also been hounding the show for a while, and, waste of the premise or not, it always seemed evident from the start that the Lupinrangers were meant to be the "real" protagonists. The plot revolves around a Collection of objects only they and the Ganglers actually care about, the first episode was almost entirely about them, and they even get top billing in the name of the series. I've been meaning to find an excuse to mention this all year, but my personal theory is that Toei started with the fresh new motif of phantom thieves, and only decided to insert more cop Rangers when they realized a huge part of the appeal of stories about good guy thieves is them fighting cops who are usually also good guys. At any rate, despite the very, very unfortunate results of the lopsided focus (when was the last time we saw PatKaiser?), I think the show's portrayal of the Patrangers has actually gotten better over time. Their characters have gotten a lot more refined and the show became far less likely to do entire episodes that only serve to make the team look like clowns after the first few times. I don't know, it's just... obviously it's not a perfect show, but you could say that about pretty much any Sentai. I respect the opinion of anyone who's not enjoying it, but, personally, I still stand by my early verdict that Lupinranger VS Patranger is the most exciting Sentai we've had in years. Last edited by IndigoArms; 12-11-2018 at 02:39 PM.. |
12-11-2018, 11:25 AM | #27 |
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To each there own, but I knew when I saw who the head writer was, It was going to be 80% filler, 20% plot, and I wasn't that far off. Some people like mostly slice of life eps, while some like a more plot focused series. I'm more for both, where you need the slower episodes to flesh the characters while you need the overall narrative to keep things going while they have the occasional character arc, like say ToQger and Kyuranger. LuPat to me just fells like a person learning how to drive for the first time, goes a bit, then stalls, goes a little bit, then stalls...etc.
Pro: Characters interaction and chemistry Land camera work and action choreography Con: Lack of real plot and tension throughout the majority of the series. I could give a pass at the lazy cgi vfx mechs battle and their designs given its been the same for a while in sentai. Global police and their allies. I feel like there would be more members being deploy from French hq if the ganglers are attacking for a while. The whole Lupin being recently deceased as well as entering satarou just made it more confusing. I guess the writer don't want to go the fan relatable theories. It will be a pity if it will be Star Wars again if Noel, kogure, zamigo, Gangler, collections are not what we thought they're from the start. Honestly, the writers already changed a lot with arsene, zamigo victims, lupin fsvortusm and more. Next, it might be clone of the trio's love ones. |
12-11-2018, 11:27 AM | #28 |
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I think someone can really do a super cut of this series by showing kogure's book snippet and the important parts with character motivations and main villain fights. It would probably be good since the red this time aren't unbearable. Please no Kyouyured again.
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12-11-2018, 12:42 PM | #29 |
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My key issue is that I really want to like the show. The premise is new and interesting, the characters (Well, the Patrangers and Umika) are genuinely good (Other two are alright), and their interactions are basically what carry the show.
So when the plot and story just constantly fall flat and disappoint, it just bugs me nonstop...
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12-11-2018, 03:27 PM | #30 |
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My main problem with LuPat is that the half of the core cast that I find more enjoyable to watch didn't get anything to do for twenty episodes besides look like fools, so I'm really burnt out on it and there's little to do to rescue it at this point.
There are some bits I do like - as others have pointed out, the Pats and Umika are pretty fun characters, but Touma is our standard "jerky Blue" (who's at his most enjoyable when he's forced not to be that, see the dancing episode) and Kairi is just not fun to watch. His arc is interesting, sure, but I can't help but see it as unnecessary conflict that's coming too little, too late. And I really, really don't like Noel. His smarmy arrogance, how he treats the Pats, how he's rewarded for it, it all irks me. And the plotting... yeah, it's bad. You can compare it to Wizard, but at least Wizard felt like it was building to *something*, and its final arc still stand out to me as really strong. Zyuoh less so, but I like all the cast in Zyuoh, and they actually managed to share out the screentime with them, probably because they weren't promoting one half of the team at the expense of the other. Add it on to another year where the villains are kinda boring and don't do anything right until the endgame, (it's been like this since ToQGer, imo), and it all adds up. And it's annoying because it feels like there are some easy fixes to all this. Let the villains have more interactions between themselves, let them have arcs. (Not that the show can do it for more than two rangers here, it seems, but oh well.) You added Noel to the Pats, so maybe you can avoid the problem of the Lupins having to steal the treasure by having Noel do it, and need to give some to the Pats to feign loyalty to them. Or actually have him develop loyalty to them, because of the good old "power of teamwork" message Sentai usually loves. Idk, something about this whole show doesn't click for me, and it hasn't been clicking for a long time.
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