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04-16-2023, 03:59 AM | #41 |
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First off, my archived thoughts. I remember this was when I started coming around on the show.
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Episode 3: We get a little more focus on Daiji as he gradually slips into “obviously going to become a bad guy” territory. And they’re tying way too hard to sell that the Mammoth is Den-O based, with the seemingly random train rail attack. Though I do like the subversion that the obvious Deadmans victim WASN’T the victim this time.
I totally forgot about the real estate guys after watching this the first time. Which caused some minor confusion not too far down the line. And now for this. Ikki: It’s Ikki’s… Vice: And Vice’s… Both: Stamp Navi! Ikki: And today’s stamp is this one! Mammoth! Bearing giant fangs! Land boss! Mammoth! From the start, it’s a climax! Ikki: Mammoth’s power grants me a sword and Vice a shield. We can also ride along train tracks in order to do battle much faster. Vice: Train tracks? What do they have to do with mammoths? George: Ah, that’s my cue to explain the Legend I based this one off. Desire Driver: Den-O! M-Ryotaro: Henshin! George: Kamen Rider Den-O. An unlucky person with a weak will who just so happened to be a fixed point in time. He contracted with the 4 Imagin to protect the proper flow of events. Den-O: From start to finish, I climax! Vice: Hey, a Rider that contracts with monsters? That’s our gig! (Enter Momotaros and Ryotaro, the latter transformed into Plat Form) Momotaros: Aha, but can you do this? (He possesses Ryotaro) Sword Form! (Den-O transforms) Momotaros: Ore… Sanjou! Vice: Okay, Ikki let’s do this. Ikki: Vice, I don’t think… Vice: Orecchi toujou! (Crashes into Ikki, knocking both of them down) George: We hope you enjoy the next instalment. Momotaros: (waving) See you later! |
04-16-2023, 06:33 AM | #42 |
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Ah, episode 3, in and of itself, it's fine. Didn't find it massively exciting, but I didn't hate it at the time.
That said, having looked back through some of my posts on the weekly threat, guess 3 was the episode Vice really cemented himself as a character I did not like. And honestly, a lot of my opinions on him haven't changed since that day. He's written like a new Momotaros, which in and of itself is fine; the problem is simply... he lacks a lot of the nuance of Momo, replaced with an even more hyper sense of humor and fourth-wall-breaking. Only exasperated by the fact that, apparently, a lot of his dialog is ad-libbed, and boy, do I think that was a horrid idea. He's written with an expectation that he will be liked instead of actually making him likable or interesting. And now, to the part that made me dislike him as a narrative tool. That was the episode where I basically was certain he was just spurting out Ikki's subconscious thoughts without any filter, and I hated it. It felt like a lot of the potential mysteries around Ikki and why he is the way he is were just immediately revealed since I can just listen to Vice, which makes Ikki seem like a very flat and boring character. I derive a lot of enjoyment from a show from figuring characters out their whys, who's, and whats, and this felt like a massive rug pull at the time. Quote:
It?s fine for what it is, but the tactics are really nowhere in this superhero show. Revi and Vice win because Daiji ran and got a new power-up, which just so happens to beat the bad guys. (Well, Blue Mariachi just wanders off, which was considerate of him?)
Oh boy... Episode 3, and we already started with some of my critiques... ^^' As for the Daiji stuff in this episode, at the time, I was interested in it. Seemed like a potentially interesting idea at the time. So, yeah, all in all, an ok episode I kinda used as a springboard for getting into the first few frustrations I have with the show.
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04-16-2023, 07:40 AM | #44 |
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE EPISODE 3 - “HOSTAGE TROUBLE! WHAT WILL THE BROTHERS DO!?”
I like how willing this show is to make Daiji unheroic. It’s not… y’know, it’s not the most upbeat or cathartic viewing experience, but I find it maybe more compelling than Ikki’s franchise-typical hot-headed empathy and unstoppable self-sacrifice. Those are the engines a show like this runs on, but Daiji’s self-sabotage and envy are the scenery that get my attention. Like Daiji's inner demon (figuratively), the established Shiawase-Yu being evicted for the town's urban redevelopment project finally appears here. I guess I was too impatient. Ikki's still provoked by Vice as ever to yell shut up at the real estate agents, and this was theorized as Ikki's hidden dark side to have more sadistic thoughts which Vice exposes (to the audience, unfiltered)... a testament about how there's no limit in what's going on your head, humans can think completely unprovoked there. I had a feeling about the real estate agents being the Deadmans from their slimy demeanor, pulling some political shit of claiming their actions as being done "for the future", which'd make them untrustworthy. Shiawase-Yu did have some success if the revitalization plan outraged the customers then. George stays suspicious, before he gloats on Hiromi's demotion, and now he trashtalks Daiji for trying to henshin with his previous fear of creating more chaos. Bruh, everything is wrong in George's eyes, what should others do other than getting expected result like Ikki, morton's fork situation that if you try you'd be like Hiromi, if you won't try you'd be like Daiji, and either way you got bullied by him. Wakabayashi's the stereotypical professional and rigid type to forbid any personal feelings in the job, the type to see emotions as weakness. But well, open display of emotions can actually be pragmatically useful if used well, like being done on purpose to manipulate others and achieve the outcomes that one is after, such as lowering the guards of their audiences and earning their trust), or reveal a softer side to them in order to achieve their goals. Quote:
This episode’s Stamp Story nicely plays into that, with both a parallel for Daiji’s unhappiness and anxiety (Ayaka, trying to get her mother to see her the way she wants to be seen) and a darker version of Mom Igarishi’s moral from the kidnapper: the world is horrible, and we do what we have to with the tools and options provided to us in order to make it something that treats us better. It’s a lesson that’s not quite an inversion of Mom Igarishi’s suggestion of personal responsibility and incremental action, but it still manages to turn a lesson of self-acceptance into a justification for selfishness.
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It makes for a tight episode, and one that kept me emotionally engaged, even as the action sort of left me cold. It’s fine for what it is, but the tactics are really nowhere in this superhero show. Revi and Vice win because Daiji ran and got a new power-up, which just so happens to beat the bad guys. (Well, Blue Mariachi just wanders off, which was considerate of him?) There’s no clear reason why a Den-O flavored beatdown is so much better than a W or Revice flavored one, other than it’s newer and we’ve got merch to move in Q1. I always like it better when these fights have at least a little bit of strategy or cleverness to them, and Revice’s… don’t? They’re flashy, and have some interesting camera choices, but it hasn’t really felt narratively integral to the episodes yet. It’s there, but it’s not much more than that yet.
Hiromi shows some ferocity as well not unlike Wakabayashi in the last scene... The ViStamp that Daiji took from Fenix...the Mammoth one, for Den-O themed mammoth form... even the intro still had Vice not replicating Momotaros fully, the Rider suit replicating Den-O less than ep. 2 before! It's nice to see more of the previous Rider's implementation other than aesthetics, of the brute Mammoth form being propelled forward by the rail. The finisher of Mammoth form is also my favorite there, with an attack more than just an energized ordinary attack, the shield teleporting the boomerangs and then stacking up to squash the opponent. It was nice to see more of W's Cyclone as well with the Eagle using the wings to form a protective tornado. Quote:
Luckily, yeah, I like this weird, frustrating story the show’s willing to tell about the Igarishi family. Ikki’s fiery compassion and reluctant heroism; Daiji’s stern dedication and constant humiliation; Sakura’s quiet confidence and intolerance for creeps; and the wackiest, most charming parents a Kamen Rider show ever let exist for more than a flashback. It’s a fun little world, set in a monstrous bigger world, and I like how that friction is affecting our cast.
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04-16-2023, 01:40 PM | #45 |
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And a nice Stamp skit! Thanks! Quote:
And now, to the part that made me dislike him as a narrative tool. That was the episode where I basically was certain he was just spurting out Ikki's subconscious thoughts without any filter, and I hated it. It felt like a lot of the potential mysteries around Ikki and why he is the way he is were just immediately revealed since I can just listen to Vice, which makes Ikki seem like a very flat and boring character.
That said... Vice is sort of a lot! He's not my favorite type of character, the one who is constantly at Full Energy all the time. Even Momo got grumpy or sleepy or other dwarfy or whatever. Vice is kind of always screaming? It's generally fine within the context of the story -- and his minimal screentime so far -- but I would not normally ask for him to be on screen. I don't! I think he's incredibly fun! He nicely balances being a kooky burden to his family with being a sweet, devoted presence. I like how him and Mom Igarashi collectively explain how their kids are well-meaning but a little screwed up. That household definitely feels like one where the kids had to grow up pretty fast to keep things from falling apart (and probably had to raise each other more than they'd've liked), but it was all in service of a warm, nurturing family unit.
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04-16-2023, 05:39 PM | #46 |
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He's the least likable member of the family, which is weirdly what makes him super interesting to me? I've gathered that he's not a crazy popular character (even with the actor who played him?), but I find his locked-in frailties to be kind of fascinating, in how most shows don't really lay it on a character like this, and certainly not as early as this. Like, even Hikawa and Tachibana got a few wins under their belts before they started eating shit at the Everyone Is Laughing At You Buffet. Daiji's main character trait thus far is Abject Failure, and that's a little more appealing to me in a superhero show than Constant Victory.
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04-16-2023, 06:24 PM | #47 |
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Episode 3 comes out... okay. One major thing that I felt worked against it was having the guy who took the girls hostage talk way too much sense. And while I am overall liking Daiji's' arc, the pacing we've been going at doesn't so the story any favors.
When it comes to this episode's' Line Texts, the screenshots I put together ended up kinda big, so instead of posting them directly, I'll just have them as attachments to this post instead. I found them to be rather interesting in that it shows, to me atleast, that Vice is thoroughly on Ikki's' side and most likely always has been. Vice might be goof, but he does have a sense of honor to him. I like that.
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And thanks for the screencaps!
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KAMEN RIDER REVICE: THE MOVIE
Oh, it’s pleasant enough, I guess. Little (if anything) to talk about, though. There’s no real story to this theatrical short: Deadmans attack, Revi and Vice defeat them, bathhouse, bike, etc., the end. The only real villain arc/plan is a business guy whose name we don’t even get, whose motivation is KILL ALL PHONIES. There’s no specific theme or moral to what goes on. It’s all very Revice Sampler, in its hodge-podge of all the different elements of the series' conception. No full family scene, which makes it kind of a failure for me, narratively-speaking. Show’s built around the idea of family, so if you aren’t going to have the whole family show up even once… that’s a miss? For me, at least. Otherwise, what’s here is fine. Pleasant, like I said. It’s not the Climax Right From The Start lunacy of the Saber theatrical short from the year prior, which made up for its lack of setup by keeping the pedal to the floor from the first frame to the last. This one just… sort of does its thing, in no particular hurry. There’s no scheme from the Deadmans, so there’s no momentum to bring us to a finale. Just, monsters showing up, and a Kamen Rider defeats them. It’s more about showing off how everything in Revice works, which is still kind of fun. I like the stamps and stuff. That’s a fun collectible for the season, mostly for how the stamp is a thing that represents the household, not a specific person, but also ‘cause they’re chunky and colorful. It’s all entertaining to watch, the Revice of it all. (I will say that I picked up the DX Revice Driver, and I don’t love it? The stamp pad never seems to look right, is the main thing. It’s always a very faint impression of the Rex stamp, no matter how hard I slam it. Besides that, the rotation of the stamp pad frequently ends up out of alignment, and I’ve got to wrench it back into position, which always sounds incredibly bad for the mechanism. But! It’s still kind of neat to mess around with, when it works close to how it looks on the show. I like the big 5 and big 0. That's super on the nose, but agreeably so.) (Also, the Drivers on this show are frequently shown to reside in an empty PC case, which always cracks me up. Did George just have that case lying around? Is Fenix partially sponsored by Newegg? The most intriguing mystery for me this far!) It’s a trifle, this pre-show theatrical advertisement. It’s not trying to tell a twisty story, since there’s not even a show to twist yet. It’s a slightly more plot-heavy version of the Transformation videos that exist alongside DX Driver on-sale dates. But, within those parameters, it’s solid enough. The Decade-flavored suits are good, even if Vice forgot to do any of the Tsukasa catchphrases. Nothing to talk about narratively or thematically, but a pleasant enough viewing experience.
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04-16-2023, 08:59 PM | #50 |
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Very much a day in the life of Revice here in terms of vibes of this.
This is also accompanied by a Manga from kinda Daiji's perspective (mostly a few word bubbles while the rest is stylized recap of the theatrical special). This is an interesting and fun short purely for the fact that we don't actually get any of these for Rider? Like this is very much a demo/test run of Revice and it gets a lot of things right off the bat in terms of general aesthetics and such. Very much a template for a show they had yet to film and wanted to show alongside Super Hero Senki. Not much else to say here but uh... here's our proper debut of Megalodon form, Remix and all. And given Megalodon shows up, we can only assume sometime after this is where the Saber Special Episode takes place. |
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