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08-16-2012, 09:20 PM | #71 |
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No. Tell me. How did the characters grow? What occurred in the series that changed the characters from how they were in the beginning?
Because, outside Don's little arc, I can't think of any. There was tons of potential and possible build up, but it's almost immediately dropped or solved by just destroying the monster. Remember, I never said it had the best character development, but I'd say what we got was pretty good. At the core I'd say that what the characters learned is to grow into heroes, hence the "Gokai" prefix. The Gokaigers were relatively selfish at first, seeking only goals that coincide with their own. Heck if Ahim didn't stop at the plight of the civilians under attack in the first episode, the Gokaigers might have not have lent a hand. Even when they did, it seemed largely about pride rather than selflessness. Although not at the level of the Zangyack, there was a sense that Earth and humanity were beneath them. For a whole series about striving for your dreams, it's amazing that towards the end, they gave up their greatest dream, the one that gave them purpose for much of their later lives, for the sake of their predecessors that inspired them so. Their all-out assault on the Zangyack sealed their heroism, made them into proper Super Sentai. Individually, they learned quite a lot of things too. Joe learned to let go of his past, Luka learned there is greater value than money, Don learned true courage, Ahim learned to adopt the strength of a warrior, Gai learned to step out of the shadow of his idols and find footing of his own. What Marvelous learned, of course, coincided with the overall heroic theme of Gokaiger as a whole. This is seen when Basco taunted Marvelous with the truth of Akared's intentions to save the Super Sentai rather than to obtain some glorious treasure. The Marvelous of episode 1 might have felt betrayed, but the Marvelous of the final episodes merely shrugged it off. Yes, the character development here may arguably not be as strong as say, ShinkenRed, Rio, Abarekiller, Black Hawk, or any number of past Sentai heroes. However, who says a series has to focus solely on character development? Again, this is what I liked about Gokaiger, it's good in almost everything, even if it may not excel as much as past examples. Gokaiger is more than the sum of its parts, and those parts are all very good to begin with, in my opinion.
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08-16-2012, 10:56 PM | #72 |
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No. Tell me. How did the characters grow? What occurred in the series that changed the characters from how they were in the beginning?
Because, outside Don's little arc, I can't think of any. There was tons of potential and possible build up, but it's almost immediately dropped or solved by just destroying the monster. |
08-16-2012, 11:04 PM | #73 |
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Yeah. These are all pretty great examples. And besides that did that characters really need to grow all that much? I mean they were pretty fleshed out when we first met them so that the entire show didn't revolve around plots like that. I appreciate that actually. I don't need character development every single time for every character. They had some and it was enough to be enjoyable.
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08-16-2012, 11:30 PM | #74 |
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Joe experienced no change. He never hesitated in fighting once he found out Barizog was his former friend, he never attempted to disprove that the transformation was irreversible, and he had spent years thinking Sid was already dead, so when he finally destroyed Barizog there was no emotion. Marvelous and Basco? That resolved a (Admittedly awesome) story line. Neither character grew. Ahim's was so pathetic that it wasn't worth mentioning. Maybe if we were informed beforehand, maybe, but no. Monster shows up, next episode Ahim says he was the one who blew up her planet, episode after that she kills him. Doc's was legitimate character growth and I can't argue that. I kind of see what you're saying, Den-O, but I don't necessarily agree. We got their back stories fairly early on, so there wasn't this huge air of mystery to the characters, and I like that. But I also enjoy watching characters grow. Like Wataru in Kiva, going from a man who can barely talk to anyone and sulking in his tub when things don't go his way to the badass Fangire King. I understand that, being Sentai, it has to balance growth on 5-6+ characters rather than just one or two in KR, but I think Gokai just gave too much. It felt like it was all style, no substance.
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08-17-2012, 12:10 AM | #75 |
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Sure Ahim's backstory was only examined for an episode, but her character did develop overtime. When we first saw her, we saw a lady sipping tea, politely asking citizens for their help when they first landed. Then we saw her in battle, showing her marksmanship. Okay, we have our first view of Ahim- a polite princess firing two guns and being good at it. Skip to episode 7, where she and Doc get their asses kicked by the MOTW. She resolves to become less of a nuisance and train. Sure it's a Doc-focused episode, but we can see that she's willing to commit to becoming stronger too. Skip to episode 13 where she was being held hostage. Despite being in a somewhat dangerous situation, she kept her cool and even managed to swindle her teammates out of money to help pay her kidnapper. There's the third view of Ahim, the "nice but crafty" side. Episode 16 showed that she can keep her cool even in Basco's grasp. Skip to episode 23, the GoGo V episode. Here we have Luka's backstory, but Ahim still has some part in this episode. She's tired of being viewed as the little sister everybody needs to protect and speaks out. Skip to episode 29, the Abare episode. She shows that she can be as devious as her fellow crewmates by tricking the MOTW with her various costumes, also showing a comedic side of her after Emiri gives her the Abare Pink key. And now for her main focus episode, 41. We see the person who destroyed her planet. If you were her, wouldn't you go into a blinding rage and try to take him down yourself? We see that in Ahim. We also see her when she first encountered the Gokaiger crew- she had just witnessed her parents death, her planet was destroyed and she was now face to face with the only people with enough balls to stand up against the empire that took everything from her. Does she show any weakness? No, she walks up to them and asks if she can join them. We see her first handle a GokaiGun, and gets blown by the recoil. Now reflect to how she is today- she can handle two in one hand and not even flinch. Then we see her tell the crew that she wants revenge on the person who took everything from her. What do they do? They do one of the most epic fight scenes in Gokaiger with her theme song in the background. She has her crewmates launch an attack, Gai block said reflected attack, then come up and shoot the enemy point blank. Then she leads them in epic GokaiChanges- The Go-On Wings with Gai, the Gouraigers with Doc, GoseiPink and GoseiYellow with Luka, DekaSwan and DekaMaster with Joe, and double ShinkenRed with Marvelous, ending the entire fight with a "This is for..." speech with a Pink Charge blast from the GokaiGalleon Buster. She reveals that there are other survivors from her planet, and now she wants to be their beacon of hope. We saw her go from the Yamato Nadeshiko of the crew into a badass gun-toting girl who would do anything for the ones she loves, who won't back down, and will make sure that she'll be the beacon of hope for her people and protect those in need. If that ain't a character development, then I don't know what is. End of rant.
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08-17-2012, 12:31 AM | #76 |
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You just listed her character traits. While it could be argued that the flashback to her first joining the crew could qualify as growth in that she was pitiful compared to now, I wouldn't agree, as she was nothing like she was in the flashback in ep 1.
As a character, Ahim is fine. She's crafty, nice, and calm. But she didn't really grow. She broke character once, and immediately reverted back to calm, soft-spoken Ahim once back on the Galleon, and that's not character development.
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08-26-2012, 05:35 PM | #77 |
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I still haven't gotten around to watch Dai, Magi, Geki, and Time that are in my HD. Only Shinken, Gokai, Deka, and Gosei so far. Therefore I cannot give my opinion just yet. I also want to check out Hurricane and Jetman before I'll give my thoughts on this topic. I do like Gokai for the F/X and action, Shinken for the story, Gosei for Mikki and Rika, and Deka for Jasmine.
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