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09-23-2016, 10:25 AM | #61 |
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That's sort of my point. Ordinally an ending like that is lame but Ryuki honestly justifies it in my opinion. It threw me off when I first watched it but I quickly came around.
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09-23-2016, 11:36 PM | #62 |
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The ending is hard to be ok with hell I hated it till I read a theory on here about it that made it work for me. I am curious though if Ryuki was an anime with more episodes, would that fix the problems?
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09-25-2016, 01:38 AM | #63 |
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Eye freaking loved this episode a lot. Just the whole battle with the Great Eyeser was fantastic that all them fighting their hearts out was great. Also that Takeru realized love in his heart and used the power of love to defeat the giant form was brilliant. Eye loved a lot of the moments of learning about Takeru's mother, seeing Yurusen's true form, Javert sacrificing himself for Alain, Cubi's human form as well as return. Everyone coming together and believing in Takeru. The fight with Takeru and the Luminaries vs the Great Eyeser at the end was brilliant especially when everyone called Takeru a luminary himself, and Takeru coming back and saying I belief in myself and My life is burning bright. Kamen Rider Genm's entrance was kick ass, Eye am so ready for the mysteries that Ex-Aid will bring and Eye like adding in small touches and a special crossover episode to help get you excited for the next series if you love the current one. Eye loved Takeru reviving and wanting food that was so much fun and I loved the ending fist bumps with Takeru, Alain, and Makoto. Such a good end to the main story right now. Eye can't wait for the last episode and all the tears Eye'll have too. Also the changing of I's to Eye's was a call back to when everyone was doing it in the beginning of this show and Eye missed that.
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09-29-2016, 01:36 PM | #64 |
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With that said, a lot of the comments in this thread have actually made me feel a bit better, knowing I'm not alone is disdaining Ghost at this point. That wasn't always the case. I felt that Ghost was showing some real promise somewhere around its middle.
For me, it just didn't realize its potential. When Kanon was restored from being an Eyecon, it was a sweet moment... and thereafter, she rarely had anything to do other than to cry "nii-chan!" and "Alain-sama!" Having her defeat a couple of Ganma by lightly slapping them was just... cursory, as though the writer finally realized, "Oh, she stopped having an impact on the story thirty episodes ago." The writing just seemed to lose interest in characters after completing their arcs. I was engaged by Alain's arc, and then... he had very little to do. Ditto Makoto's initial arc. I though the story about his theoretically-evil double had potential, but... I still can't tell whether the resolution to that story was clever or just incredibly anticlimactic. "I'm you, and I'm eeeevil! Oh, wait, now, I'm just... another you." The real Makoto dying could have been powerful - it sort of was for a moment - and then, "Nope, nobody stays dead on the show about the undead." The show directly referenced the 3+ times Takeru died and was immediately given another chance over the course of the series. It was impossible to have stakes. The show seemed to forget that Takeru was a ghost, since it rapidly stopped referencing it or doing anything clever with it. The friend with whom I've watched the show had actually forgotten because it hadn't come up in so long until this episode. Onari and Akari were sketched as somewhat distinct characters, but rarely had any development beyond that sketch. Edith/the Sage were intriguing up until the truth about his was revealed, and then he became almost literally useless. Again, it was like the writer lost interest. I'll give the show this: Yurusen turning out to be a cat was clever. I felt sympathy for the cat they used, though, since he was clearly not having a good time. The show violated its rules over and over. Did the heroes destroy a Ganmaizer? Well, it'd come back again later anyway. The final threat essentially indicated that nothing that came before mattered. Adel was almost a strong villain, and most of the show painted him as rigid and insane, willing to kill his family and drive away everyone who cared about him. Then, suddenly, at the climax of the story, they just dropped all of that: he just needed a little pep talk! It violated everything they'd built up about his character AND ensured that instead of him being the ultimate villain of the show - which is what we'd been led to believe - he got defeated a few episodes early, leaving the writers to develop a new threat out of nowhere. ...and it was out of nowhere. Or out of the (extremely thin) web series, or a movie I haven't watched, yet. Hey, it's those mysterious ladies! Oh, now there's just one of them. And now the real foe is the Ganmaizers that were already defeated. Hey, there's a neat new villain suit! Oh, wait, they're just going to make a CGI blob. Oh, hey, the CGI blob is killing minor characters (some of whom were previously dead) en masse; that's bold. Oh, wait, Takeru resurrects everyone, but decides to leave the city destroyed because reasons. The script kept randomly bringing back dead characters with no explanation. Once we found out Ganma World enemies like Javel weren't actually ghosts, that... stopped making any sense. I could rant for days because ultimately, I feel like she show wasted my time. I enjoyed parts of it, and Onari's possession of Alain was briefly entertaining, but as a whole, this show wasn't going anywhere. Some of that is my expectations: I'd hoped that this Kamen Rider show, being about ghosts, would manage to be a little spooky; to create an atmosphere that supported the premise. Heck, Kiva did it, even though I have lots of complaints about Kiva. Kamen Rider Ghost is a show that mostly forgot that its hero could float and turn insubstantial. The suit had a cool glowing feature that almost never saw use after its debut. Early on, people couldn't see or hear Takeru unless he concentrated. Then... it just wasn't the case anymore. If the opening of every episode didn't reiterate that Takeru had been killed, would we have even remembered? She show had a ghost pirate ship that it only ever used for spurious-giant-enemy battle sequences. That's just... incredibly frustrating for me as a viewer. The show tried to make a theme (sometimes, I guess) about infinite potential. She show rarely lived up to its potential, and that just makes me sad. I hated the middle of Drive, but I thought it got dramatically better toward the last third of the show, and I'd very much hoped Ghost would do the same. It seemed to me like it was going to do so, but then.... UGH, it just felt like the writer lost interest. "Do some fight-fight stuff. Have Takeru shout some platitudes and pine over dead parents. I'm out." Genm's appearance was pointless, it made zero sense, and for me, it was the highlight of the episode. The gaudy bicycle is bananas - it shouldn't have worked - and I enjoyed it thoroughly even though it was out-of-place. I haven't watched episode 50 yet, and I would like nothing more than for it to somehow exceed the quality of the previous eight or so episodes, taking some of the sting out of this experience. Truthfully, though, I'm really only looking forward to the Ex-Aid cameo. For those of you how's sounded your complaints: thanks. It's good to know I'm not alone. For those of you who enjoyed it: there is nothing wrong with your opinion. I just envy you. |
09-29-2016, 02:23 PM | #65 |
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The show violated its rules over and over. Did the heroes destroy a Ganmaizer? Well, it'd come back again later anyway. The final threat essentially indicated that nothing that came before mattered.
The script kept randomly bringing back dead characters with no explanation. Once we found out Ganma World enemies like Javel weren't actually ghosts, that... stopped making any sense. Similarly for the Ganma, they're not ghosts, but they're still not in their actual bodies, so they can "die" as many times as they want to without any actual harm coming to them, that's essentially the point of the Eyecon system. Igor and Gyro and such and such never actually died. And Javert wasn't ever actually killed either. The show did explain these things. ...anyway, that's all I have to say about that. I sometimes see people complain about how the enemies never stay dead, but, while there's definitely plenty of things to complain about regarding Ghost, some details like this stuff isn't really it. Though, additionally, I personally wouldn't say the Ganmaizers taking over and becoming the real villains really came out of nowhere. They had been hammering in that they were gaining sentience and that that was dangerous for like...the last chunk of the show. Whether that was necessarily the right move or not and the inclusions of Frey/a as the avatar of the Great Eye and all that...who knows. I don't think it really was that much of an asspull, however. |
09-29-2016, 09:05 PM | #66 |
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Though, additionally, I personally wouldn't say the Ganmaizers taking over and becoming the real villains really came out of nowhere. They had been hammering in that they were gaining sentience and that that was dangerous for like...the last chunk of the show.
In all seriousness, I get it. "This show is s***" -> not paying attention because it isn't worth your time -> "This show is s***" is a natural enough progression, unfortunate though it may be. I'd also disagree Takeru being a ghost was "forgotten" in any way. His wacky teleportation stuff and whatnot with Mugen sort of supplanted the initial "I can walk through walls!" stuff. And on a plot level they're constantly hammering in that he's dead and needs to come back to life. I'd also argue there's more to creating stakes in a show than simply whether or not people die but that's a lot more subjective so whatever.
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