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03-12-2022, 07:01 AM | #1 |
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The Igarashis learn the terrifying powers & secrets of Kamen Rider Vail.
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03-12-2022, 09:56 PM | #2 |
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Honestly disappointing for me. It's like if they speedrun Dezast and Ren's development and fight, leaving none for Kagerou and Daiji to actually work with. The dented helmet was a neat detail, like how the splatter on that section was different, but it really did nothing for me. The whole fight felt awkward, especially when it had George and Ikki watching and also having Ikki fight Demons. It should've been an isolated battle.
Kagerou says the last time we saw him, he was getting stronger, so how come for the most part in this episode he was just stumbling around. If he was losing on purpose, that'd be pretty disappointing on Daiji's part. They did this flashback scene, showing everything Kagerou has done until this point, and it really did nothing for me. He really hasn't done anything for Daiji to warrant that scene lol. And now he's gone. |
03-13-2022, 03:16 AM | #3 |
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I think the problem with this Episode is We don't spend enough time with Kagerou , So while the context is correct i feel like we don't know enough Kagerou as individual unlike Vice so the result Kinda feel flat... as result is like Daiji got plug in sponsored from Bandai lol...
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03-13-2022, 03:24 AM | #4 |
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Never cared much for Evil/Live even early on so the drama was lost on me to begin with, all things considered it was okay I guess, but I do agree this needed more time. Feels very sandwiched in between Vail's first appearance and the next upgrade for Revi and Vice which is just around the corner.
Also Vail is back inside the Demons Driver - why exactly? That makes no sense to me. At this point I feel like they badly needed to announce the spin-off but couldn't until the suit was used inside the actual show. I mean this also gets us more Demons which I'm more than fine with, but this whole episode was just weird. Good stuff, but weirdly stitched together. Not really the aftermath of the big reveals I wanted, but not bad either. And SIC Demons is kinda sick. |
03-13-2022, 07:04 AM | #5 |
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They really like using Anomalocaris in Kamen Rider.
How about next time using Opabinia, Hallucigenia or Tamiscolaris...
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03-13-2022, 12:37 PM | #6 |
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So, since I didn't post in any the threads between Evil showing up and Volcano Rex's debut, I've never had the chance to say this outright, but I freakin' love Daiji. I feel like I'm the only one around here who really does? Right from the show's very first episodes, I've felt his actor does a fantastic job implying a certain level of depth to his character, even when the scripts aren't throwing him into the spotlight. And his ability to do that is also aided by how strong the fundamentals of the character are. He's got such a definitive Middle Child thing going on, with how much he's constantly pushing himself to compete with Ikki, and you can draw a ton out of him from that. Ikki's busybody habits are a skill that comes naturally to him, and in contrast to that, Daiji always comes off like he's under this immense mental strain at all times, that's mostly there because he keeps putting it on himself. Ikki acts with his heart, but Daiji moves with his brain, and that head of his gets real overtaxed sometimes. Daiji strives to be the most disciplined, most responsible, and most upstanding person in the series, and as such it's only natural that his demon is even more far off from him than usual. Because he represses the negative side of himself harder than anybody. We've seen Ikki and Vice learn to accept the complexity of their relationship, and the shades of gray that come with it, but for Daiji and Kagerou, at the end of the day, it really is black and white.
...It just occurred to me I'm not doing a very good job getting around to the episode, so, to try and sum it up. I like Daiji. Everybody else loves Kagerou, it seems like, and he's great too, but I always did think of him as a character who benefitted Daiji first and foremost. I'm a bigger fan of Live than I am of Evil. Like, come on, that sweet clergyman aesthetic and the militaristic close-quarters gunfighting style are *way* cooler than Mr. Paint Splotch Face and his dinky knife. As soon as I heard him say "shirokuro tsukeyou ze!" for the first time, he pretty much became my favorite character in the show, if he wasn't already. (And he was already!) And after a lengthy stretch where my guy was taking backseat to Revice (understandably, given the title of the series), what better present could I ask for than for Daiji's next episode in the spotlight to also be the first episode of the show directed by Hidenori Ishida? I ended up liking this one a lot more than I thought I would. Getting the negatives out of the way, the exposition about Genta wasn't my favorite thing ever. It's not very exciting for a TV show to tell us about exciting past events without showing them at all, and the knowledge that we ARE getting to see all this in a spinoff doesn't make it any better. It made those scenes feel like a glorified recap/trailer for another project entirely. Which, you know, bit of a harsh way for me to put it. It's still totally functional for the narrative. I just wish it were portrayed in a way that was a bit more exciting. Beyond that though, the whole Evil/Live showdown really exceeded my expectations. There were a couple particular things that worried me about that concept, and I was delighted to see the episode not falling into those traps. A big thing, upfront, was that Kagerou hasn't been legitimately threatening in a very long while. Ever since they established a Rider Kick can just flip him on and off like a light switch, much of the real menace he had in his debut arc was straight up gone, and I was concerned we'd suddenly be asked to pretend all that goofy curry stuff and whatnot never happened. But no, instead, the episode makes that into a strength, by making it a point that even though Gifu is making everyone's demons stronger, Kagerou has also become weaker, specifically because of his connection to Daiji. And then the episode avoids the other thing that had me worried, when it further implies Kagerou is, to do some degree, actively hoping to see Daiji become stronger through his connection to him. The entire idea of duality like that is so utterly central to everything Revice is about as a series, and it would've been very very odd to suddenly have Daiji simply defeat his other half, so I massively appreciated the writing making it more complex than that. I like the idea that Daiji has to learn from Kagerou's personality to become even stronger. The idea that there's something of value in there, like a refusal to hesitate, that Daiji can apply to his own much more moral goals. It's all really nice, super thematic, and the kind of drama that's particularly well suited to Ishida's style. I mean, I don't even remotely understand how Kagerou uses his Vistamp that way, or how there are double Two SiDrivers, but it'd just be such a waste to look at this episode that literally. It shines so much in the atmosphere, with how everything is framed and lit, and in the emotions of the performances, like how Daiji is noticeably shaking throughout the fight, exactly like Kagerou says. Throw in some more solid material for Sakura and Aguilera, plus a great reminder of how much Ikki has grown when he's only barely tempted to interfere with the Evil/Live battle, and I'd say you have a pretty dang strong episode overall. Part of me wishes it didn't end when it did, because I'm hyped to see Holy Live in action some more, but then, that just shows how much I liked what they did here, doesn't it?
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03-13-2022, 01:38 PM | #7 |
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I'm a middle child. Even if he isnt particularly high on my favorite Revice characters list, I understand Daiji's struggle deeply, and was looking forward to the resolution.
What we got.........I'm not sure to feel about it at all? To be fair: I dont think the two would ever reach an amiable relationship such as Vice/Ikki or Sakura/Lovekov. but at the end of the day, its a bit warped and cracked, but Kagerou's still a reflection of Daiji, yknow? For me, I've always felt as if the two's dynamic was bulit on suppression. His bitterness, his jealousy, his anger....they're all things that Daiji wants to suppress and hide, right? The show's gone out of its way to show how doing so cannot only cause harm to you(daiji being the only sibling to be physically affected by gifu's pusluations) but also others (Kagerou's birth and the initial evilive arc) So how do we resolve such things? On paper, it seems fine enough. Kagerou takes Daiji to the warehouse for one final showdown. Obviously, him attempting to kill Daiji wouldn't make sense, we already know killing a human will destroy its demon), so there's an ulterior motive here. Kagerou is trying to make Daiji stronger, by embrace the aspects that make up Kagerou that he'd normally shy away from. Upon defeating Kagerou, it seems like by embracing the emotions he'd normally supress, he's become free, and those emotions give way to our new powerup, Holy Live. So why seeing it executed makes me feel so......unimpressed? That it's lacking in some regard? I was honestly way more tuned into the Aguliera/Sakura fight(which is perfect btw !) when watching both the raws and subbed version. Maybe it's because I feel the Kagerou/Daiji dynamic feels a bit too shallow for the fight to have any kind of emotional impact? Or that Kagerou dying(?)/getting assimilated back into Daiji permanently(?) seems a bit unfair, as our other siblings have accepted the (sometimes negative) emotions that make up their demons, and can still have them around. Overall, okish episode? In between advertising that TTFC special, and the Evilive fight missing its mark for me, there's not a lot I was actively engaged in. |
03-13-2022, 06:08 PM | #8 |
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I was expecting a teamup and finally resolve. Who knows, maybe Kagerou can come back as a final episode form as Kamen Rider HOLY EVIL. All in all a 6.
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03-13-2022, 06:35 PM | #9 |
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The secondary rider is what I feel is Revice's weakness. After Daiji got his Rider form, he hasn't really done anything substantial, instead it went to Sakura. The same goes for Kagero, if this is really the end for him, then it's disappointing. Now that he has his standard secondary rider upgrade form, I fear this is it for his development.
EDIT: Anyway, was there a Rider Showa monster with a Anomalocaris in it. Last edited by IndigoArms; 03-13-2022 at 06:39 PM.. |
03-14-2022, 12:47 AM | #10 |
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I feel like this episode was written as if there was a substory featuring Kagerou that got cut.
We've gotten moments of Daiji and Kagerou, with him even popping up every now and then when Daiji gets bonked on the head hard enough, but this episode is acting like we've had a prolonged arc involving him. Daiji stating he was thinking he and Kagerou could live like Ikki and Vice when Kagerou's only heroic act was saving Sakura once. The montage of moments involving him as he died. Kagerou having any sense of interest in Daiji growing stronger. The waffling on whether Kagerou was getting weaker or stronger? Like, I honestly feel there was another Kagerou story arc that we just...Didn't get. The elaboration on who Buu really is was nice, as well as the fact that apparently Ikki's mother is fully aware of Genta's past and what happened. Otherwise, I wasn't feeling it this episode.
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