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04-12-2021, 07:15 PM | #721 |
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It's also an amazing window into Takumi's subconscious, netting it the Kamen Rider trifecta of Theme/Humor/Toys.
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04-12-2021, 09:07 PM | #722 |
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KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 45 - "RELIVING A BLANK DAY”
Oh, Kamen Rider Den-O. What am I going to do with you? This episode seems like the start of the final story. It's chockablock with Time Nonsense, as Ryotaro is discovering that his memories of Sakurai's disappearance (and Airi's resulting amnesia) are incomplete. There's a third stopwatch, a more-stubborn-than-usual Yuuto, and a disappearing Airi and Sakurai. It's almost wall-to-wall scenes of Ryotaro trying to puzzle out what really happened to Sakurai, and being greeted by ever more baffling evidence. I mostly resented this episode. There's a nugget of a thing I like about Den-O that was in this episode. Ryotaro's insistence on uncovering the truth that's being hidden from him, the memories he's lost, it's grounded in the show's belief that memories aren't good or bad, they're what you make of them. Tragic memories can give you strength in the present. Happy memories can haunt you. It's up to you to give your memories value and purpose. Yuuto's obstinate refusal to engage with Ryotaro's concerns, on the grounds that what he'd learn would sadden him, can't possibly work to dissuade Ryotaro. Ryotaro isn't looking for comfort or solace in these memories, he's looking for understanding. Even if he learns something horrible, he'll still be learning something, and there's value in the learning. That's a nice moral from the writer behind Ryuki, a show about the value of curiosity. That's pretty much all I liked about this episode, and it's something that happens in one scene that I thought about for maybe two minutes. Everything else is... I mean, god, I'm going to sound like a broken record if I list everything that bothered me, and I want to write it even less than you want to read it. I'd rather just have this be a short post than vent my anger at a show that treats Plot and Entertainment as two competing resources, at least from my own experience. It's just mysteries answered with questions confronted with skeptical looks accompanied by unconvincing denials topped off with murkiness. I didn't understand anything that happened in the last several minutes of the show, and I mostly didn't care about anything preceding it. The plot is infuriatingly opaque, and I'm so far past the point of hoping it'll get better. At this point, I'm just trying to get through it. THE BAGGAGE CAR -If this shorter post and adversarial treatment of one of the most beloved parts of the Kamen Rider franchise hasn't made you sick of me for one night, you can head over to DreamSword's Let's Play for Memory of Heroez, where I was given the opportunity to sit in for a session. It was a very fun experience, and DS is a gracious host. Check it out! -It is almost adorable how badly Yuuto does at talking Ryotaro out of investigating Sakurai's disappearance. I took a minute to accurately transcribe their standoff in Kamen Rider Plaza, in case you've forgotten the scene: YUUTO: Don't go back in time to that date, Ryotaro! RYOTARO: Why? What aren't you telling me? YUUTO: Don't! RYOTARO: What are you hiding from me, Yuuto? YUUTO: DON'T! RYOTARO: ...okay, I'm just going to go. YUUTO: DON'T RYOTARO: *loads ticket into Rider Pass* YUUTO: DON'T RYOTARO: *leaves on DenLiner* YUUTO: *to literally no one* DON'T It's a cunning strategy, keenly applied, but somehow Ryotaro circumvents it. Ryotaro's intelligence and insight would give Tendou a run for his money! -I wonder if Sword Form's kinship with Santa is because Momotaros is also a red wish-granting imaginary hero?
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04-13-2021, 02:11 AM | #723 |
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So here it is, Merry Christmas. Everybody’s having fun… except Die apparently.
Let’s start be recounting where people can see the further exploits of Frosty the Snowmagin. Toru Okawa. Notable Anime roles: Roy Mustang in Fullmetal Alchemist, Shibata Katsuie in Nobunaga no Shinobi, Rufus Shinra in Final Fantasy VII: The Origin. Notable Tokusatsu roles: Mummy Legendorga in Kamen Rider Kiva: King of the Castle in the Demon World, Butterfly Absolute God Deboss in Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger. Notable video game roles: Joseph Joestar in JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure, Detective Pikachu in Detective Pikachu, Toyotomi Hideyoshi in Onimusha: Dawn of Dream, Rikimaru in the Tenchu series. Notable dubbing roles: “Ra’s al Ghul” in Batman Begins, Salvador Dali in Midnight in Paris, Adrien Toomes/Vulture in Spider-Man Homecoming, the Colonel in War for the Planet of the Apes, Thompson in The Adventures of Tintin, Coach McGuirk in Home Movies, Victor Quartermaine in Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit. As for how convoluted things are getting… you ain’t seen nothing yet. |
04-13-2021, 10:33 AM | #724 |
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I would so much rather come here and rave about something, or ponder over the significance of a story choice, than I would endlessly repeat Why Does This Show Refuse To Answer One Question Before Moving On To The Next. It bums me out to be a person who does that! I like liking Kamen Rider!
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04-13-2021, 10:39 AM | #725 |
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Not about Den-O though, because I remember genuinely liking this stretch of episodes at the end? There's a real rush and excitement to it, nothing in here I could say I particularly disliked
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04-13-2021, 11:51 AM | #726 |
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I would so much rather come here and rave about something, or ponder over the significance of a story choice, than I would endlessly repeat Why Does This Show Refuse To Answer One Question Before Moving On To The Next. It bums me out to be a person who does that! I like liking Kamen Rider!
The best Den-O form, the egotist himself, Mr Wing Form. I hate those shoulder stickers.
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04-13-2021, 03:02 PM | #727 |
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The thing that's really been getting me lately is how little the Imagin are getting involved with the story anymore. Yeah, there was the episode with Ryotaro's doubt about partnering with them anymore, but they're generally feeling really removed from the main story now. Part of that is Liner Form being the hot new toy, but even in the civilian scenes we aren't getting much of them. Apart from the fight, all they did this episode was goof around on the train, which had zero bearing on the plot. I like Ryotaro taking more agency for himself, but I miss having the possessions pop in to make things more interesting.
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04-13-2021, 04:23 PM | #728 |
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Also, about Ryotaro not seeing heroes inside other people, I don't think that it had correlations of others being fragile (remember, it's Ryotaro the loser who is fragile), but as Ryotaro is the most morally upright, I guess Ryotaro sets up too high of a standard of heroism, like those who are grey shouldn't partake the way the morally white like Ryotaro can (well, Ryotaro's moral does take the good part of the adventure like breaking the "rule" of protecting the flow of time by helping the contract holder in the past), which, well, personally I would also say that grey part of someone can't be overlooked and make them lumped together with ideal toku hero like Ryotaro and that they should improve themselves, but doesn't mean that they can't be any use in saving the day even if like, they only cover the fighting monsters part, I think instead of others being fragile, it's more about Ryotaro thinking in terms of black-and-white; even the slightest gray to him is immediately treated as black at the earliest opportunity. Also, the thing about Zeronos, it's not merely fighting for the right reasons, but there are other aspects as the worldview, methods, etc. Zeronos is pragmatic hero, that he can stoop into dirty tactics to get the job done, though Ryotaro should also let himself partake, which is by trusting him enough.
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KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 45 - “RELIVING A BLANK DAY”
There’s a nugget of a thing I like about Den-O that was in this episode. Ryotaro’s insistence on uncovering the truth that’s being hidden from him, the memories he’s lost, it’s grounded in the show’s belief that memories aren’t good or bad, they’re what you make of them. Tragic memories can give you strength in the present. Happy memories can haunt you. It’s up to you to give your memories value and purpose. Yuuto’s obstinate refusal to engage with Ryotaro’s concerns, on the grounds that what he'd learn would sadden him, can’t possibly work to dissuade Ryotaro. Ryotaro isn’t looking for comfort or solace in these memories, he’s looking for understanding. Even if he learns something horrible, he’ll still be learning something, and there’s value in the learning. That’s a nice moral from the writer behind Ryuki, a show about the value of curiosity. Quote:
Everything else is… I mean, god, I’m going to sound like a broken record if I list everything that bothered me, and I want to write it even less than you want to read it. I’d rather just have this be a short post than vent my anger at a show that treats Plot and Entertainment as two competing resources, at least from my own experience. It’s just mysteries answered with questions confronted with skeptical looks accompanied by unconvincing denials topped off with murkiness. I didn’t understand anything that happened in the last several minutes of the show, and I mostly didn’t care about anything preceding it. The plot is infuriatingly opaque, and I’m so far past the point of hoping it’ll get better. At this point, I’m just trying to get through it.
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-It is almost adorable how badly Yuuto does at talking Ryotaro out of investigating Sakurai’s disappearance. I took a minute to accurately transcribe their standoff in Kamen Rider Plaza, in case you’ve forgotten the scene:
YUUTO: Don’t go back in time to that date, Ryotaro! RYOTARO: Why? What aren’t you telling me? YUUTO: Don’t! RYOTARO: What are you hiding from me, Yuuto? YUUTO: DON’T! RYOTARO: ...okay, I’m just going to go. YUUTO: DON’T RYOTARO: *loads ticket into Rider Pass* YUUTO: DON’T RYOTARO: *leaves on DenLiner* YUUTO: *to literally no one* DON’T It’s a cunning strategy, keenly applied, but somehow Ryotaro circumvents it. Ryotaro’s intelligence and insight would give Tendou a run for his money!
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04-13-2021, 04:55 PM | #729 |
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This is another statement that really goes to show how polarized our opinions on Den-O get, because there's a bit from my post talking about Climax Form's debut during my rewatch that reads like this...
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This episode is truly first-rate, and watching it makes me feel this weird vicarious pride for Den-O, because I know it marks the point where whatever flaws it still had left have been totally ironed out, leaving the series to ride out the back half in spectacular fashion.
You might feel bad about feeling bad about these parts of Den-O, but rest assured, it's at least fascinating seeing such a wildly different perspective. Just try thinking of it this way – the absolute worst that can happen is you accidentally creating a "Fish Sandwich rewatches Kamen Rider Den-O" thread.
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04-13-2021, 06:20 PM | #730 |
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-If this shorter post and adversarial treatment of one of the most beloved parts of the Kamen Rider franchise hasn’t made you sick of me for one night, you can head over to DreamSword’s Let’s Play for Memory of Heroez, where I was given the opportunity to sit in for a session. It was a very fun experience, and DS is a gracious host. Check it out!
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I hate this? I hate feeling like this at the end of a show. I hate being a guy who comes to a board and complains, about anything, not least of all a show that I've enjoyed large chunks of (less so in the second half, but still) and overall enjoy.
I would so much rather come here and rave about something, or ponder over the significance of a story choice, than I would endlessly repeat Why Does This Show Refuse To Answer One Question Before Moving On To The Next. It bums me out to be a person who does that! I like liking Kamen Rider!
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