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11-20-2019, 12:45 PM | #1 |
TokuKnight89
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I admit that I don't know a lot about this guy, but it's hard to ignore some of his comments, apparently made in 2017, regarding adults and superhero comics/movies.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/11...tankerousness/ https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/newsbeat-50473092 https://comicbook.com/blog/2013/11/2...lly-subnormal/ I'm not as young as I used to be, but I know who I am, and therefore I don't subscribe to his theories. |
11-20-2019, 02:19 PM | #2 |
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Devils advocate response: He's not wrong that they are for children/teens. Perhaps there is something telling about our culture by the kind of movies we prop up?
Full response: While he is correct that comic book superheroes were intended to be for children, movies tend to be made for a general audience. And no matter which generation, every body looks back at what they enjoyed as children for any reason from nostalgia to it being the foundation of their character as an adult. A good source of media is a media that can cross demographic barriers. Children's media should not only inspire but appeal to a more general audience as their parents are usually exposed to the media as well, and the child should be challenged of their world view and to think constructively. Superhero comics should serve as needed drama, action, moral ambiguity, and creative liberty that a child can reflect upon not only as a child but once one reaches adulthood as well. And with films made for a more general audience, yes how the topics are handled tend to be more juvenile, still can appeal to adults who appreciate the message far more that what a child can comprehend. His comments are no less hypocritical, coming from a man who wrote the adult comics Watchmen, and V For Vendetta. His further comments become political so I'll refrain from stating too much, but to address it shortly, all media tends to be regional. If the region is of a majority ethnic group, then the majority of the media from that region reflects that. That by no means is there some kind of conspiracy for a particular ethnic supremacy. |
11-20-2019, 07:41 PM | #3 |
Tokusatsu Hero
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Alan Moore is considered to be a high art writer in the comic book world. Watchmen was a huge hit in the 80s because it had a great story. In the 80s, you had comics made not for kids and that titles like Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns, etc should that you can make comics for grown-ups.
I do have a lot of respect for Alan Moore because I love most of his work, but I can see where he is coming from. I see nothing wrong with liking superheroes like Spider-Man, The Avengers, Superman, etc. as an adult because those characters have stories that can be enjoyed all ages. Also, I somewhat agree with him on "Primarily, mass-market superhero movies seem to be abetting an audience who do not wish to relinquish their grip on (a) their relatively reassuring childhoods, or (b) the relatively reassuring 20th century". I do think our modern day nerd culture does have an obsession with childhood nostalgia and it is hurting our main industry. Most of the movies we get today from Hollywood are Marvel, DC, Transformers, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, etc. Not saying those movies are bad, but too much is not a good thing.
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11-20-2019, 07:55 PM | #4 |
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Makes sense to me.
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11-21-2019, 02:32 AM | #5 |
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Considering how most MCU movies blend together, scared of taking risks of untold stories and making sure to make it's audience feel comfortable instead of provoking thought, one can hardly blame Moore. Doesn't help that the MCU action scenes are always done by Marvel's seperate team to avoid diversity in the fight scenes as seen when they didn't allow Ryan Coogler direct his own fight scenes in Black Panther despite Coogler knowing damn well how to direct fight scenes. I think the best way to summarize his thoughts is to compare superhero movies to Friends, a sitcom made to make people feel comfy and handwave any potential issues society may have even if it's a message relevant to the audience, because that may cause the audience to actually think, big nono.
Also, Moore's been a negative influence on the comic industry due to people missing the point entirely with his work, with people seeing Killing Joke and Watchman sell well and ignore all the care taken into every single panel which Moore gave incredibly detailed instructions for being seen as "wow edgy is cool"
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11-23-2019, 01:44 AM | #6 |
TokuKnight89
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Moore's daughter issued a statement on the matter and her stance makes a degree of sense, even if I still don't fully agree with ALL of Moore's conclusions!
https://www.cbr.com/alan-moore-leah-...-aversion/amp/ |
01-21-2020, 06:40 AM | #7 |
TokuKnight89
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Recent article on what the Watchmen series on HBO was trying to say.
https://screenrant.com/watchmen-hbo-...ow-reason/amp/ |
01-21-2020, 09:03 AM | #8 |
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If I may, on a side note, it is crazy how Yahya Abdul-Mateen II now technically has two DC characters under his acting resume; Black Manta and Dr. Manhattan. He has become DC's Josh Brolin.
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01-22-2020, 04:42 AM | #9 |
TokuKnight89
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My interpretation of Watchmen (the Series) is that it's a superhero show (mainly) for those who are opposed to superheroes!
To quote the link I included previously:"...anyone who puts on the mask is made crueler by it". |
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