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04-29-2023, 11:27 PM | #191 |
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I think there's a difference between mistakes or from deliberately harming others (including in retaliation). I mean would you really think someone who accidentally drops bookshelves is the same with those who deliberately vandalizes? mistakes can be done for not knowing the whole situation I think it's typically unintentional. I mean everyone has capacity to do good and bad, but I don't like if this is used to lump everyone as just the same (which often happens in "it's not black and white" talks, but the "only grey exists" is going too far on the opposite direction); character/people should be looked as a whole of their good deeds vs their bad deeds (and then factoring in WHY they did bad things). It's context that really weighs the scale in either direction.
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04-29-2023, 11:40 PM | #192 |
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Huh! I'm not sure that really stuck with me when it came to determining whether Vice was trustworthy or not. It's such a weird detail -- the show's had it happen a few times by this point, but never in a way that hints (to my eyes) about who's responsible or what might be the endgame. Didn't really think about it!
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04-30-2023, 02:45 AM | #193 |
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Well, I’m glad that in the future George gets to finally live the dream of putting a disco in the Ichigou belt.
Also I have no idea why they went with Neo-Batta for the mvoie form. Wouldn’t original Batta of Kajiki (the Saber Vistamp) have been thematically appropriate? A.so I love that Revice are randomly fighting the Planarian Deadman in the beginning. Especially since the dude giving out those Vistamps isn’t anywhere else in the movie. Okay, scattershot thoughts over (you can find more in the TokuCast for this movie), time for a skit, which isn’t necessarily Vistamp related George: Hey, hey, hey! Yo, everyone. It’s George Karizaki here. I’m recording this amidst the madness of the world in 2071. A world ruled by the demon Diablo. However, I’ve created this to stop him. Cyclotron Driver! George: This Driver was created as a modern version of Kamen Rider Ichigou’s, but with one key difference. Ready! George: This belt can send its user back through time to a point where their DNA exists in some form, be it a younger self or an ancestor. And in the unlikely event of time travellers, their descendants. Done! George: They can then use it to take over that body and become a warrior who can fight Diablo on even ground. Century! George: Kamen Rider Century. It’s taken me 50 years, but it turns out I’d been wasting my time trying to make a stronger Vistamp and send it back in time for Revice, Live, or Jeanne to fight with. I had to go back to basics, and create a warrior with the same skills as Ichigou. Rider Punch! Rider Kick! George: And then, there’s the ultimate power that can defeat Diablo. Cyclotron Finish! George: If anything happens to me before I can find a suitable user, whoever finds this is to make use of this invention to prevent all of this from happening. (The sound of something hurtling through the air in the distance is heard) What? (He goes to a telescope, sighting a Shocker emblem on the object). Godda- (video cuts out) |
04-30-2023, 03:10 AM | #194 |
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Yeah, not a fan of this one either; the movie, that is; the episode I literally have nothing to say beyond, probably a bit early for the "I trust you Vice!" moment, but yeah. Rest was forgettable.
The movie, though? Had a lot of the same problems as you. Century really rubbed me the wrong way, given the "deadbeat dad ran out on us and broke his promises" angle the movie is going for; he really learns jack shit. He still makes promises he seemingly knows he can't keep and manipulates his son into reconciling before disappearing again. It really rubs me the wrong way how this all resolves and puts into question if he learned anything at all. That said, I don't have a problem with the former Shocker scientist becoming a Rider. Wouldn't be the first time since Riderman has pretty much the same backstory, and the only reason he started fighting the evil organization he was from, Destron, was because he wanted to take revenge on the guy who had betrayed him. So, in general, no problem with the plot in general they just screwed it up. So, yeah, sadly, by far my least favorite Generations movie. Oh! Also, Diabolo is an idiot. Just, in general, but specifically given how often he lets people run away when they are like, 20 meters away from him when they are off screen. That movie really suffers from anything that isn't on screen is not existent. Probably some of the worst offender in that regard.
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04-30-2023, 08:22 AM | #195 |
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KAMEN RIDER: BEYOND GENERATIONS
The true legacy of Kamen Rider that will carry on for the next 50 years: most crossover movies are pretty goddamn boring. I thought this one was pretty much a bust, save a couple clever ideas late in the game. It’s a story that the Saber cast is around for, without them ever feeling crucial to the narrative. (Like, there’s nothing thematically linking them to the story of Ryunosuke and Hideo, beyond an If You Squint thing about Ryunosuke wanting to keep a promise to his son that they’d ride the bullet train; they don’t.) Similarly, while the main arc of Kamen Rider Century is about family, it’s more about Daddy Issues, which means you could plug in nearly any Heisei Rider (and half of the Reiwa ones) and still feel like this story was in their wheelhouse. And that’s the huge problem with the story of Kamen Rider Century: it doesn’t specifically need Ikki or Touma to make it work. Quote:
Even setting aside the irrelevance of our two main Riders to this movie… the story of Ryunosuke and Hideo sort of isn’t much? It’s barely enough to fill a normal two-parter, let alone a feature-length film, until you convolute the holy shit out of it so that just repeating it sounds like it’s two or three movies instead of one. Ryunosuke wanted to do mad science experiments on unsuspected victims, he abandoned his family to do them, one of his victims was like Hey I Don’t Like Being Modified Into A Shocker Monster, Ryunosuke was like Dang I Get It, tried to return to his family after god knows how long as a Shocker fascist, gets experimented on, gets SHOT INTO SPACE FOR SOME REASON, gets sucked into a wormhole (as one does), travels into the future, then travels into the present day to stop Diablo just as (but not before! Never before!) he enslaves humanity. It’s dumb enough to join the pantheon of Stupid Crossover Plots, and maybe even be its head deity. (Why in the world would Shocker shoot him and a bunch of other failed experiments into space??? Even for Shocker, which is where normal plots are modified into Stupid Crossover Plots, this is the stupidest plot point in the film by a mile.) It’s a messy film full of stupid developments, almost all of which need to be reexplained to try and absolve their glaring plotholes.
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And it’s all in service of a story of two men that I actively disliked. If Shocker are meant to be the Nazis – and they are – then Ryunosuke is a Nazi scientist who was eventually like Whoops Mea Culpa. Meanwhile, his 50-something son Hideo (a late-in-life dad who mostly doesn’t have time for his own son) reasonably resents his dad for a) abandoning his family to go do horrific experiments on innocent people, b) showing up to hijack his son’s body for some light apocalypse-prevention, and c) never trying to get in contact when he was shot off into space I guess? It’s the last one that makes a lot of this drag out; the movie really puts a lot of its weight on YOU NEVER CAME HOME DAD, which is easily explained away, instead of the more appalling and unforgivable YOU WILLINGLY EXPERIMENT ON HUMANS MULTIPLE TIMES DAD. I’m assuming the movie skips out on that one because, you know, unforgivable, but it’s hilarious to watch this movie try and rehabilitate a full-on evil scientist just because he misses his kid you guys.
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(I rolled my eyes so hard that I gave myself permanent Showa Eyes And Tears at the scene where Takeshi Hongo – played by the skinny Son Of Hongo – tells the guy who murdered dozens of innocents in pursuit of genetic dominance that he’s actually a hero because he created Kamen Rider, which… that was not this guy’s doing! That was not the goal of the project! Takeshi Hongo subverted evil to do good; the evil still happened! Shocker is not retroactively benevolent just because Takeshi Hongo used the power they gave him to destroy it! That’s an incredibly dumb thing for this movie to say! Out loud! Holy shit!)
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But, hey, if we’re willing to put aside how little this was either a Revice or Saber story, and if we’re willing to ignore how bad and drawn out and ludicrous the Kamen Rider Century story was… it’s still not a great movie? The best fight scene is the one in the future, where Daiji, Vice, Sakura, Touma, Rintaro, and Yuri all inhabit different clone bodies to fend off the requisite Army Of Dark Rider Suits, and even that’s a little lackluster. It’s neat to see a lineup of Valkyrie, Blade (for Blades! Hilarious!), Accel, Black RX, Knight, and Ex-Aid Muteki, but almost none of them utilized the things that are fun about those forms. Ex-Aid Muteki’s whole thing is being an invulnerable, overpowered Final Form, but Yuri’s running down a hallway, having a tough time against mooks. It’s just suits; nothing more than suits.
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04-30-2023, 11:09 AM | #196 |
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I think the actual substance of the mystery (who and what and why) isn't important at this point, but more the general fact that whatever it is, Vice seems to get what's going on, but is keeping it a secret--and it's something Vice at his most immoral found humorous, so it's probably not a good secret. So while Ikki is putting more trust in him, we know he's being kept in the dark about stuff...it makes for a sort of shaky foundation for a "trusting" relationship.
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That said, I don't have a problem with the former Shocker scientist becoming a Rider.
Wouldn't be the first time since Riderman has pretty much the same backstory, and the only reason he started fighting the evil organization he was from, Destron, was because he wanted to take revenge on the guy who had betrayed him. So, in general, no problem with the plot in general they just screwed it up. But, really, that wouldn't even have been as much of a problem if it felt like there was a reason this story needed the casts of both Saber and Revice to tell it. This one wasn't for me! Quote:
Yeah, honestly the movies are unappealing for me. Ofc it's just a trope and it by itself isn't bad, but crossovers are often just done as a fanservice (and for Toei, more toys) to get some franchises mixing up. I felt the need to watch it to not missing out on some spoilers happening to characters when reading up info (only done it when you did too so that I can leave comments), and ofc you have the need to cover everything about the current series you're watching.
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04-30-2023, 03:44 PM | #197 |
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Well, I didn't know the Riderman similarities, but I still found the emotional core of the film to be not exactly to my liking. It's two dudes I didn't connect with, having an argument about a thing I didn't enjoy. But, really, that wouldn't even have been as much of a problem if it felt like there was a reason this story needed the casts of both Saber and Revice to tell it. This one wasn't for me! Those two have a likeability problem, the dad more than the son, but yeah. And it really doesn't feel like a story that needs either Rider. Like, Generation Forever is also about a side character, but it thematically and narratively is a story that only really works because it's a ZI-O story, and they find good ways to incorporate Build thematically as well. Here, removing the fact that Diabolo supposedly is Giff's family, a concept ripe for exploration in a show about family, is super easy. The only thing that raises questions is the stamp association but that is easily changed. He's generic in the worst way.
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04-30-2023, 04:13 PM | #198 |
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It's appropriate that the ending theme is called Promise, as I am about to fulfill the promise I made in the Saber thread to talk about this movie!
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But if there was a common connection between Revice and Saber, it would be Family, right? Revice made a big deal about that being its central theme, but before that, it was the center of Rintarou's arc and motivation for his loyalty to SOL, his familial attachment to his friends and having to learn to dissociate them from the organisation. Honestly, I'd even say that Saber is more focused on Family than Revice. There is a weird plot hole with this crossover though, that Saber's epilogue takes place a year after the final battle against Storious, but for Revice, it's still 2021.... Touma should be in Wonder World! The Seiken Swords should be dormant! The timeline is messed up even before involving the time travel plot! And how does Ikki even Henshin without Vice?! Despite the many logical errors that litter this movie, I did enjoy it for the heartwarming story about the relationship between father and son spanning 100 years. How about that awesome Mount Fuji climax! Xross Saber's back! Since Zero One got screwed out a Movie War, Revice even get a giant-sized Zero One-themed form to give the illusion that he's there! Future George and his Clone Riders also play an important part in the fanfic I wrote last year, which is kind of like an AU prequel set in 2065-2066. Quote:
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Agreed. However, I'm not going to complain about seeing those lovable characters again. Sure, most of it is just meaningless fanservice (especially for Rintarou fans ), but I thought it was nice to see how their lives are going and that Sophia and Reika seem to be cool with each other now as they sat at the same table in Shiawase-Yu without rancor.
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There is a weird plot hole with this crossover though, that Saber's epilogue takes place a year after the final battle against Storious, but for Revice, it's still 2021.... Touma should be in Wonder World! The Seiken Swords should be dormant! The timeline is messed up even before involving the time travel plot!
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Which is impressive for Sophia to think of that, considering that Touma was presumed dead at this point in the show.
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