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08-27-2023, 12:51 AM | #31 |
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"Well, his world and all its inhabitants do not exist in the first place. There's no meaning in things that don't exist." If yes, then I think you misunderstood something. You said "their lives", but can you call their lives lives if even their deaths can be easily toyed with and manipulated? Like I said in the same post: Repetition/quantity debases something. Repeated death debases death, thus debases life itself. Death is what makes life worth living. Our lives is worth living, precisely because each of us only have one life. When it ends, it ends. No Goddess of Creation, no wish-granting entities, no buts, no ifs, it just ends. End of story, literally. That's the fundamental, irreconcilable difference between reality and simulation: In reality, you have something called absorbing barrier. It's a point of no return, kinda like a flyswatter, that when you touch it, you stuck there forever. Forever. One of the known absorbing barrier is death. In reality, death is permanent. Unless you're a prophet, no one will ever return from death. In reality, time flows only in one direction: To the future. You can't turn back time to save someone from death or recover something from destruction. Time already lost can't be regained. You can never change the past. In reality, there are things that are impossible to change. After all, we all know the definition of reality: Something that can't be changed, whether you believe it or not, no matter how hard you try. I've elaborated this point in my first post in this thread. In simulation, there's no such thing as absorbing barrier. If you die in an iteration, you simply retry in another iteration. Everything can be changed if you don't like it. Time can be turned backward (or even forward). Everything can be returned to previous states. Everything can be undone. Nothing is lost. No life is lost. Looks cool, right? Right? No, sir! If you can't lose a life in a simulation, then it means that you don't have it in the first place. You can't lose what you don't have. A reality where everything can be changed is a very, very sad place. Mesnick nailed it in one of his previous posts in this thread: If everything is possible, then nothing matters. One way to ethically solve this simulation problem is by leaving the simulation alone. Never tamper with it, let alone toy with it. Once it's running, just leave it as it is and never touch it again. Let it run forever. This is the premise of the film The Thirteenth Floor (1999). But that's the perfect opposite of the premise of Geats, right? That's why I concluded that the story of Geats is nihilistic. |
08-27-2023, 01:45 AM | #32 |
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Eh... Evolt still shows that you can create a villain that aren't just emre forces/obstacles to overcome. If that is possible, it should be striven for other creators. Gotta give props to something like, for example MCU, to not only create Thanos as biggest obstacle, but also someone with deep characterization.
I like Evolt a lot, he's one of my favorite characters, but I don't need every villain to try and be like him. That would get boring to me just as fast as having villains who all have simple personalities outside of being antagonistic forces. Like I hope that the villains in Gotchard will have a lot of personality between the three of them. And honestly, I can forgive Suel and Zitt for having little personality, for the sole reason that Beroba, Kekera, Daichi, Michinaga (for the while he was), Archimedel, and Girori all had such strong personalities to begin with. Like "head" villains like Suel and Zitt need to be balanced with lesser villains who do have a ton of personality. The reason why Giff fails as a head villain in Revice is because the other villains either didn't have enough personality as well (Akaishi) or had a confusing story arc (Daiji). I believe that if they were handled differently (as well as the Deadmans), that Revice would've been a stronger season, even if Giff was handled the same as being just a force to be overcome. Side note, I actually kind of find MCU Thanos to be much more boring than the original comic version. Halving the universe's population because you think it'll save resources? Yea, I guess that's pretty mad. Going on a genocidal rampage to amass power, all so that you can impress your universe's equivalent of death and hope she'll get together with you? Now that's madness right now. Sure, his madness in the MCU is more understandable and all, but I don't personally think that's deserving of being called the "Mad Titan". Again, simping over Death herself is much more deserving of a title like that. Admittedly I've just been kind of tired of the MCU for a long time now over a multitude of reasons, so I'm not the best person to talk about for that. Quote:
Actually you can. You can talk about something you dislike, like to still dissect its points and get a new perspective from others depending on how they reply to you. What I'd want something to be stop is using that to insult anyone who doesn't have the same view as them. It's not only about picking on those who don't like a popular show but, also those who feel "enlightened" for hating something.
But I'll stand by this, it's often just much better to step back, and cut yourself out of talking about something you hate. I use to do that a lot myself, but I always felt crummy about it, because I was wasting energy talking about something I hated rather than talking about something I actually liked. So while I do like to have discussions that allow me to have new perspectives, those are rare for me and often carry a lot of tiring arguments. And admittedly I should also just step back from these types of discussions myself because they're so tiring to begin with. Last edited by MKDremare; 08-27-2023 at 01:51 AM.. |
08-27-2023, 04:19 AM | #33 |
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A good review isn't just endless praising or endless ripping into a work. A good review is something that takes the good and bad, what makes the story work, and actually dissects on why that is on a subjective and objective level. But really there is no true unbiased review, everyone's going to have biases and whatnot.
And this is exactly what is in my comments. Good and bad. That's just the ratio, it seems that many do not like it, which is enough to call me a hater. In my comment directly about watching the episode, there are 107 positive words about what I saw. Therefore, again, here it is clearly not me who should be accused of bias. Quote:
Negative reviews aren't anymore diverse than positive reviews. That is a lie. I've seen negative reviews from different people that repeat the same fucking points over and over again.
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08-27-2023, 04:32 AM | #34 |
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Yeah, I've seen a handful of time of people being proud of being negative for the sake of it due to thinking that it's more appealing and divisive. I know, negativity sticks out more to people, but something natural shouldn't be validated. I know that the reason can be that people are just more preoccupied with looking wrong, so they go for cynical interpretations of things because it?s an easy out. Being ?right? means they were right (even if their logic doesn?t conform), and being wrong is fine too since they took a ?conservative? position (no matter how extreme their cynicism was).
One shouldn't blindly praise something if it isn't perfect, but I want to show that being negative isn't purely mature or insightful, especially when you blindly make up lies for the sake of criticism, I mean as people can view those who are being positive as stupid and sheep (where being negative is considered mature and insightful), I'll uncover the same for those being negative, a prime example is if they resort to outright lies. I already said above about 'hating' but I'm just against double standard. It's not only about punching up (e.g. saying Geats is bad rather than Ghost). Not only Geats, honestly saying Ghost or any other show is bad should be less encouraged too, more talked and discussed upon first, more to I don't like the show especially if the reason is something accounting to taste like something being lighthearted to their dark tastes or such. I repeat: in my commentary on this episode, there are 107 positive words in its address. If after that they consider me a hater, then the problem here is clearly not with me. And if you want to discuss, then you can finally decide what Jit is. Because you and Sh Ranger think he is Sueru's avatar and Androzani84 says they have different motives: Quote:
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08-27-2023, 09:30 AM | #35 |
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Yea, you can, but at the same time, there's a line where you just have to just stop talking about what you don't like because it becomes unwarranted. It's borderline unhealthy and obsessive to just talk about something you don't like so much. And do you think that the reason why there're a lot of views on negative reviews is because there're tons of people bickering in the comments? It's not always just people agreeing wholesale with the review.
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Which part of what I said was nihilistic? Is it this part?:
"Well, his world and all its inhabitants do not exist in the first place. There's no meaning in things that don't exist." If yes, then I think you misunderstood something. You said "their lives", but can you call their lives lives if even their deaths can be easily toyed with and manipulated? Like I said in the same post: Repetition/quantity debases something. Repeated death debases death, thus debases life itself. Death is what makes life worth living. Our lives is worth living, precisely because each of us only have one life. When it ends, it ends. No Goddess of Creation, no wish-granting entities, no buts, no ifs, it just ends. End of story, literally. Quote:
You can't turn back time to save someone from death or recover something from destruction. Time already lost can't be regained. You can never change the past. In reality, there are things that are impossible to change. After all, we all know the definition of reality: Something that can't be changed, whether you believe it or not, no matter how hard you try. I've elaborated this point in my first post in this thread.
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08-28-2023, 08:59 AM | #36 |
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It's a common depiction of time travel in fiction, but there are no official mechanics of how time travel works. Just because it doesn't work the way you expect it in the most common form of its depiction, doesn't mean that you can impose what you think how it should work. The most common interpretation like Grandfather's Paradox is just still a mechanic in certain in-universe story written as fiction.
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Why do you really insist that those who aren't naturally born shouldn't be seen as equal? You know that the people who have that view are typically portrayed as at best assholes in those shows, the ones who would discriminate, prejudiced, and bigoted to what's "real" living being or not. And as above, tell me you haven't been paying attention without you telling me you haven't been paying attention. because future people are also virtual humans, whose life got designed and predetermined from their beginning to the end. It's how Kyuun relates to Neon.
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Having only one life isn't the only reason to cherish it. You do your best as well as being mindful about other's lives because it's the right thing to do. Revival being possible is still not an excuse to go off on a murdering spree. And as said above, Geats isn't the only fiction piece of media or KR series that has revival from the dead being something possible smh, just sounds like you gotta expose yourself to more media.
Revival is not my problem with Geats. My problem with Geats is REPEATED revival. It just dilutes death and the value of life. You die once, you're a hero. You die twice, you're a commodity. You die thrice, you're a clown. Quote:
This just sounds like if you've never touched upon Kamen Rider series before. You know that many of the protagonists are those who have that kind of goal right? And many are also those who are more outright good from the beginning than Ace. And what if the world is crappy? Just because someone is aware of how bad life is and how mean people are doesn't mean they can't fight for the right anyway. And stop actually curbing their attempts to do so as something delusional or such... people like this would be the ones who normalize and maintain the cruelty of the world.
What Ace is doing is virtually moral policing. Moral policing, as demonstrated by history, always results in the destruction of freedom. It's ironic how Kamen Riders usually fight to restore freedom, yet Ace's moral policing destroys freedom. What Ace is doing is what a naive kid will do when he's given the power of God: He will make right everything, from big matters to small matters. It only reeks naivety and pettiness. It's peak cringe. Even protagonists people consider naive like Gentaro Kisaragi or Shinji Kido don't have that kind of petty mindset. Life is give and take. Sometimes, there are people who prefer taking more than giving. Humanity has evolved and has already developed several ways to deal with such people. Society already has its laws. Humanity doesn't need a Godly moralistic busybody like Ace, who turned out to be an even bigger busybody than Ikki Igarashi ever was. People are selfish. Yet, when combined, the destructive impact of their selfish desires cancel each other and result in something good. It's just a cold, hard fact of life. If I fail to realize that fact then I fail as an adult. If some people choose to live their lives in accordance with such a naive, shallow, petty philosophy, then go ahead. It's their choice. Just don't be surprised when reality comes knocking on their door and give them a very rude awakening. Quote:
Yeah, it's their lives, the only lives they've ever known. How would you act if you lived in such a world? Would you just resign to fake existence bereft of meaning? That would be nihilism. The whole point of the Saboten Jyamato finale was Ace learning from Michinaga the value of determination against a losing scenario, which sounds like the opposite of nihilism to me. Death is a destination, but life is a journey. If you're set on meeting your destination by any means necessary, then your journey will suck.
Death is the final destination, and life is a journey. But if their deaths and their lives can be manipulated by a higher power, then what's left for them? The nihilism lies not only in what they can do, but also in who/what can control their world. It basically boils down to freedom. There are 2 kinds of freedom: freedom for something, and freedom from something. The inhabitants of Ace's world only have freedom for something, but not freedom from something, that is, freedom from manipulation by Sueru. Heck, Sueru can probably even manipulate their decision, like when he manipulated Jitt. That would make them mere intelligent marionettes. That would make it even more nihilistic. Quote:
Now, compare it to Ace's universe. His universe can be influenced by information from the outside, and even manipulated, and the inhabitants know it. The inhabitants know that they're being toyed with by Gods (DGP/Sueru/people from the real world). They know that their reality can be manipulated. They know that their lives and deaths are just dreams. They know that they've probably died 100 times during the previous DGP and brought back to life to die 100 times again. Their universe and Sueru's universe is not separated anymore. Their perspective is not limited anymore because they've received information from the outside of their universe. They've known the reality, the truth: That their universe, lives, and everything inside it are not real. If a God wants to manipulate my life, then sure. He's God. He can do anything he likes. But please, keep it a secret from me and make sure that I never know that fact. Knowing that my life is not real and or manipulated only creates unnecessary suffering for me. It's like slaughtering an animal with a blunt knife. This unnecessary suffering is why I concluded that Ace's world is utterly nihilistic. That's why I said that one of the most ethical ways of dealing with this kind of simulation is by leaving it alone, or by just shutting it down (like the premise of The Thirteenth Floor). If Geats wants to be rational and consistent with its internal logic, then Sueru should've simply reset or shut down the simulation program containing Ace's world, and Ace and all its inhabitants would've never noticed. The show named Kamen Rider Geats would never exist. But, then again, expecting logical consistency from Geats is like waiting for an apple to fall... Under a mango tree. |
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