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05-03-2022, 05:31 PM | #931 |
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(Fish Sandwich also watched Kamen Rider Zi-O - EP39)
So uh, one last thought about Kabuto before I talk about this Den-O episode -- I find it hilarious that so many of us had grievances with how the arc handled Kagami's character, but not a single person until me right now even remotely questioned the idea that Yaguruma is still running around doing the exact same Life Is Pain emo shtick a decade and a half down the line from his show. I see how it is! When Kagami can't move past his issues, it's sad, but when Yaguruma can't do it, it's everything we want out of the guy! Well go ahead and laugh! We've got it good... (Also, I only just went to check this, but Kagami bringing up the Hell Brothers name in 37 was actually the first time anybody in-fiction ever used it, so speaking of the fan-service getting away from the writer, it's really weird, in terms of the canon, for Kagami to act like anyone was calling them that all the time back in the day. Chalk it up to that messy space-time continuum, I guess.) Anyways, Den-O episodes! Not really much to say that Die didn't already (this is a real fun time!), so I guess I'll just elaborate a bit on two points I made in my original post. - I don't know if my hangup with Zeronos using Altair Form in stuff set after the series needs explaining to anyone who's seen Den-O, but without going into details, Yuuto's powers worked in a very specific way, and unless those rules got changed offscreen, my understanding was that he literally can't have access to those cards anymore. But you know, obviously on a meta level, it's even weirder for Zeronos to show up in stuff not looking like Zeronos, so I get it. I had also completely forgotten when I wrote that post that Altair Form showed up in Episode Red as well as Climax Deka, so it's not like the post-series Den-O movies were even as consistent about those rules as I make them out to be. Also, crucially, again, literally none of this matters to a fun episode of Zi-O where Yuuto and Deneb show up for comedy antics. And those antics, again, are a great time! - Also worth noting is that, yeah, there was a week off for golf between this episode and the second part. Especially considering the DX Grand Zi-O Ride Watch was released to coincide with this first half airing, I'd imagine something about that is what motivated the somewhat unusual structure for a final form debut? Maybe? I might just be overthinking it, given Woz's established habit of reading too far ahead from that book of his. Quote:
But like....gags aren't the only reason Den-O is such a beloved piece of work, yknow? There's a gentle sensitivity that lies in the show(mostly found in Ryotaro and certain MOTW stories) that elevates the work from a simple, fun comedy to something I can believe can make Den-O so widely loved by all.
Man, I'm Tendou and Tsukasa? And to think, I always had myself pegged as a Shinji!
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05-03-2022, 05:58 PM | #932 |
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Grand Zi-O is the best suit in the entire season. fite me.
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05-03-2022, 07:28 PM | #933 |
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Grand Zi-O. That's it.
That suit is the most ornate, detailed, majestic, and magnificent Final Form ever, and blows Decade complete out of the water for being such an ornamental smorgasbord of Rider memorabilia. Grand is the only best word that can describe it, and I would love to gush more about it, but I'll wait for the next episode for that. As far as the Den-O shenanigans are concerned, there was no question on whether I'd enjoy this purely for its cast and made even better how Sougo even draws the connection between Yuuto and Kiriya, who are played by the same actor (it was someone else who thought Grease was some guy in Kiva). And big shout out to Androzani (in case I didn't mention this before) for showing off so much of the collectibles and fun facts about Zi-O and the Heisei Riders integration in the shows! And once more, Den-O's Armor Time, which is one of my favorite Armor Times, even though much like Kabuto, it looks more like Zi-O slapped Den-O on him and called it a day, but I find that it works better here? Maybe it's because they're both time-themed (clever Zi-O waiting to do a Den-O tribute this late in the game), or maybe I just love Den-O's design and the Denliner being the shoulders, I don't know. |
05-03-2022, 08:16 PM | #934 |
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Oh, right. This is the episode where we got Zi-O's knock-off version of King Form. It's not objectively terrible, but it basically just take's Blade's final form and turns the dials up to 11 in a way that is as excessive as it sounds. I never loved it, but I'll take it over Decade Complete any day of the week.
As for the episode itself, I think this one was pretty uneven for me. More Momotaros and Yuuto/Deneb is always welcome and I really liked how the show used them. The other Taros, though... I think this is maybe the first time that I really keenly felt that the other Imagin were really only here because they're a package deal with Momotaros. I remember feeling like they were pretty badly wasted in the subplot with Sougo's uncle. |
05-03-2022, 09:39 PM | #935 |
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I don't know if my hangup with Zeronos using Altair Form in stuff set after the series needs explaining to anyone who's seen Den-O, but without going into details, Yuuto's powers worked in a very specific way, and unless those rules got changed offscreen, my understanding was that he literally can't have access to those cards anymore.
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Also worth noting is that, yeah, there was a week off for golf between this episode and the second part. Especially considering the DX Grand Zi-O Ride Watch was released to coincide with this first half airing, I'd imagine something about that is what motivated the somewhat unusual structure for a final form debut? Maybe? I might just be overthinking it, given Woz's established habit of reading too far ahead from that book of his.
It's a very neat suit! I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable wearing my collection around like that, but I respect Sougo's pride in his hard work. Quote:
As far as the Den-O shenanigans are concerned, there was no question on whether I'd enjoy this purely for its cast and made even better how Sougo even draws the connection between Yuuto and Kiriya, who are played by the same actor (it was someone else who thought Grease was some guy in Kiva).
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As for the episode itself, I think this one was pretty uneven for me. More Momotaros and Yuuto/Deneb is always welcome and I really liked how the show used them. The other Taros, though... I think this is maybe the first time that I really keenly felt that the other Imagin were really only here because they're a package deal with Momotaros. I remember feeling like they were pretty badly wasted in the subplot with Sougo's uncle.
"Package deal" is right, though: I don't think you could ever get away with just having Momo in a story. Even his role in Super Duper Hero Taisen required Ura (at a minimum) to provide some context for Momo's weirdness. It's not really Den-O if there's only one Imagin.
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05-04-2022, 04:54 PM | #936 |
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Nothing sticks with me more about this two-parter than Junchiro's "If it works like a clock, I'm your guy!" That's it, that's all I needed to take away from Zi-O.
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05-04-2022, 09:15 PM | #937 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 39 - ?2007 - DENLINER CRASH!?
Some of the problem with the impending arrival of Grand Zi-O is that the show can?t figure out how to worry about it, considering the huge aftermath to the arrival of Zi-O II. It?s the exact same threat as it was a dozen episodes ago: Sougo is about to activate a power that can?t be stopped, so maybe he should be stopped now. But we did that plot, with these same characters. Tsukuyomi even has this pained expression, where Yuuto?s saying the same things she said to Geiz a few months ago, but now everyone from Team Zi-O can hear how weird they sound. Sougo needs this power to stop an evil overlord in the future, not become one, and we?re way past the point of folks being conflicted about Sougo?s intentions. It?s like Yuuto time traveled from Episode 23, when this plot might?ve found a more receptive audience. Quote:
Other than that, I see some parallels between Deneb and Junichiro, to Yuuto and Sougo respectively ofc, that Junichiro also previously didn't scold Sougo when needed, until ep. 27, of which it unwittingly played a part in creating Ohma Zi-O too. Deneb is unfailingly nice to anyone, but him ignoring Yuuto's behavior should probably give problems too, especially that Yuuto has more psychological problems similar to Geiz (his role is similar to Geiz at the beginning here, and like the world White Woz envisioned).
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05-04-2022, 10:49 PM | #938 |
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But Yuuto acting like that totally makes sense though, he's not someone that has known the cast for long time like Geiz, and he's generally an asshole like Geiz, so Yuuto as someone who doesn't know Sougo at all would react in similar way to Geiz at the beginning of the series.
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Deneb is unfailingly nice to anyone, but him ignoring Yuuto's behavior should probably give problems too, especially that Yuuto has more psychological problems similar to Geiz (his role is similar to Geiz at the beginning here, and like the world White Woz envisioned).
HAVE YOU MET YUUTO!
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05-04-2022, 10:59 PM | #939 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 40 - “2017 - GRAND CLIMAX!”
This is an episode that I liked pretty well, without it really connecting with me. It’s not a bad episode, by any stretch. The Legend Rider aspects went over great. The Takuya storyline has an earned sense of melancholy, and does a great job of looping in Den-O’s pervasive feeling of regret to create an affecting story of grief. Grand Zi-O’s nearly half-episode long debut is suitably epic; a movie finale in miniature. Tsukuyomi even gets a couple lines! (Bound to happen when a guest cast is this massive, but, boy, they really downgraded Tsukuyomi in this episode. Why doesn’t she get to go back to 2017 and help out? I guess they needed someone to help Uncle fix clocks this week?) It’s just… I don’t know, nothing really hit me emotionally, despite the overall quality being more than sufficient. I think it’s that the various elements of the story never seemed to have much particular buy-in from Team Zi-O. They’re committed to helping Yukihiro, and obtaining the Den-O Ridewatch, but the big emotional beats of this story don’t really involve our heroes. They’re present, but they’re not participating, if that makes any sense. This wasn’t a problem that taught Sougo anything about himself, or tested Geiz’z resolve, or troubled Woz’z confidence, or remembered to include Tsukuyomi. It was a Den-O problem, and they all got to play-act as the Den-Liner crew for a fortnight. I did like it all, though. The actor who plays Takuya really nails the sort of grief that could motivate someone to go on a temporal rampage, but crumble in the face of a sibling’s graceful final wish. It’s a neat story, how we find it easier to blame someone than accept that tragedies occur. That’s a story that overlaps pretty smoothly with both Den-O and Zi-O. The pacts with Imagin and the candidates for Another Ridewatches: it’s all just people who want to avoid some element of their fate, and can’t accept the things they can’t change. Thematically, I don’t think this episode had anything to apologize for. But why am I talking about Themes and Character Development when we’ve got Grand Zi-O to salivate over? It’s a hell of a debut. Probably one of the most stunning and grandiose upgrade debuts I’ve ever seen. Much like the impossibly shiny suit, it’s a clean debut, for better or worse. There’s no sinister darkness to Sougo’s new power, nor is there a catharsis to his achievement. He just, like, collected them all. Den-O’s Ridewatch was a little tricky, but it wasn’t an insurmountable hurdle. While it’s fun to have a debut that we can all just enjoy, no strings attached, it felt a bit hollow to me. Zi-O II came about because Sougo acknowledged his capacity for evil, all the better to overcome it. Geiz Revive was an arrival that heralded a duel between Geiz and his friend, a duel neither of them wanted. Grand Zi-O, though… it’s just, like, time for it? No pun intended? It overwhelms with spectacle, but I found myself wanting there to be more weight to it all. That spectacle, though! The cleverness of Zi-O plucking Heisei Riders from their historical finishes to inflict them on his target, freezing them in mid-air to line up the perfect cascade of devastation, and getting coached by his own tiny idol? Amazing. The show promised a lot with the tease of the Grand Zi-O suit, and this episode's entire act devoted to it did not disappoint. And, yeah, I’m not disappointed. I wish this episode hit me harder emotionally, but I had a blast just sitting back and enjoying the party of it. In every way, this story was a climax, from start to finish.
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05-04-2022, 11:13 PM | #940 |
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Hahaha that hollowness huh? Interesting to hear you say that. Also man, Grand Zi-O, such a cool debut for a Final Form, and there's so much potential to it too! I know things you don't and I cannot wait for you to get through the rest of Zi-O so I can fully explain and elaborate my feelings on Grand Zi-O.
Anyway, the Den-O stuff was pretty fun. Momotaros possessing Woz, who manages to kick Momotaros out. Momotaros malding over the fact that he couldn't transform anymore to kick butt. Even though you know, he has a sword. But him getting saved by the depressed version of himself from that one episode and just possessing himself to be Den-O was really clever. I like how Yuuto is like "I don't trust you but I respect you at least" when talking to Sougo. Also Deneb in his doctor disguise, very quaint. This episode also made me realize, man Geiz Revive has been putting in a lot of work since its debut huh? Like it's just been fairly consistent in its use and I feel like Geiz has gotten a lot of mileage out of it. Anyway for this time with BGM Swaps we've got the deep pitched Zi-O Theme (ew), Toki no Ouja, and Decade's preview BGM. I feel like it's obvious as to the choice I made for what I prefer. Zero's Legend Episode Previews Corner - EP 41 Preview: |
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