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12-03-2020, 10:58 AM | #16291 |
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I found Genesis to be more forgivable simply for the fact that the entire movie was written by someone who never written for anything Tokusatsu. So I can chalk all the incosistancy up to just uniformed writer. I can't fanthom why they got Toshiki Inoue of all people to do the OOO portion where the W/Skull and Crossover segment were done by people who actually worked on the shows.
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12-04-2020, 07:30 AM | #16292 |
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Given Inoue apparently wrote it before anything of OOO had actually aired (Or so I vaguely remember people telling me), he was probably free, and has enough of a reputation as a jobbing writer that if the main writer was too busy on the main plot, he'd be first choice. It's not as if Inoue writing just the movie is unusual, he did it for at least Blade too.
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12-04-2020, 08:05 AM | #16293 |
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Kobayashi was certainly busy, too -- OOO was just one in a long string of consecutive shows from her; Den-O, Shinkenger, Go-Busters, Toqger... and then there were Den-O movies around this time that she penned too.
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12-04-2020, 10:42 AM | #16294 |
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Given Inoue apparently wrote it before anything of OOO had actually aired (Or so I vaguely remember people telling me), he was probably free, and has enough of a reputation as a jobbing writer that if the main writer was too busy on the main plot, he'd be first choice. It's not as if Inoue writing just the movie is unusual, he did it for at least Blade too.
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12-06-2020, 04:37 PM | #16295 |
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Kamen Rider OOO Episode 13
Even when I have little to say about it, I love this show. This is another one of those times where we've got a set-up to next episode's conclusion, so it's hard to really say anything beyond wikipedia article-ing, so can I take this chance to say that this show is just fun to watch? The character dynamics are set up perfectly and naturally play out into something that's just... that's just so enjoyable! Highlights as of now for me include Gotou being forced into stupid menial jobs; Hina and Eiji laughing together about Ankh; Dr. Maki's body language going out of its way to be weird when he's otherwise speaking in monotone; and Chiyoko going absolutely wild and crazy in her own restaurant. I have to imagine she was just always like this and that's the entire draw of Cous Cousier to begin with -- I'd sure as hell go there! It's very easy now for me to see what it was I loved about this show; I'm a sucker for characters above everything else, so something as bursting with life as OOO is perfect for me even before we get into deeper meaning! And there's details beyond that that, yeah, I'm just gonna take this space to note them because I'm not sure what other chance I'll get. I remember of course that Ankh and the rest of the Greeed can sense a yummy, but I only really remembered it as them having some sort of innate sense... but what they're picking up on is the sound of their cell medals clinking. That is so amazingly perfect and is maybe one of the best descriptions of the Greeed I can imagine; literally having a fine-tuned sense to the sound of money. Talking of the Greeed, how have I not mentioned their awesome-as-hell curtains? It is such a bombastic sense of style it almost wraps around into being pointless but it adds so much character and theatrics to any scene they're in -- I think Tokusatsu has a charm very similar to a panto or a stage play, so going with things like this fits like a glove. It doesn't make any sense to anything going on, it's just here to look cool and be memorable, and that's why it's amazing! I guess going off of that, something else I'm realising I like about OOO and other shows like it from around this time; something that's unfortunately missing I find in most modern Toku outside of Ultraman? The appearance of Kamen Rider is an event. It's saved till the very last, there's always so much time dedicated to medals being slotted in; there's a lot of untransformed fighting and investigation before then with many allies like Ankh and Gotou who can't transform; there's a wonderful fanfare to it all. It'd be nigh-impossible to do something like that these days with how many Riders are running around and how that's just treated as the norm, and that's fine and fits shows like Ex-Aid and Saber; but it certainly feels like... this is a show about human lives first, and that strengthens the Rider portions. I'm still not sure how to put it, but I've got a lot of feelings about how this era of Rider handled things. Kamen Rider Ghost Episode 9 Lots going on in this episode! You've got the Benkei eyecon (leading to all 15 now existing); you've got a big lot of backstory focus; a new villain entering the fray; and they even throw in Takeru learning why Specter's fighting just for free. And somehow it all works out! I'm a big fan of when an episode is able to balance so many things at once like this; I've previously praised the likes of Zi-O's Blade tribute for it and I'm getting similar vibes here (just, without the Undead). I'm particularly in love with Takeru and Makoto here, though -- on Takeru's side, he's at this point decided that he's going to help Makoto do whatever he wants, and that's a decision that hits when it concerns someone who's done nothing but attack attack attack since his debut. It speaks a lot to Takeru's faith in everyone around him and especially in the friend he once knew - and maybe how desperate he is as well? And with Makoto, there's one particular line I love in all this -- Takeru's accusation that he's forcing himself to act like this. A lot of Makoto's acts and behaviour so far have felt over the top, so Takeru seeing through it like this makes the whole thing seem so much more clever. It's easy to believe Makoto disregarding everything else he cares about because he thinks it'll get in the way of helping the person he cares for most; contrasted with Takeru who he's constantly derided for taking on a lot of goals at once and caring about too much. This is the sort of primary/secondary rider drama I love! The Benkei Eyecon I recall kinda getting glanced over compared to the others... and true enough, there's a lot more focus going on here. At least Billy got saved by featuring in a whole 2-parter for some reason, but here it's difficult to see Benkei being assigned to Igarashi as anything other than "he's just the last toy they had to promote". Granted, I don't know a lot about Japanese history so maybe Benkei is very apt; but nothing in the episode really tells me anything about the guy beyond "he had a friend" that would link him to Igarashi. Talking of Igarashi... I wanted more of him! It's tragic to see him killed off like this so easily when he's exactly the sort of character Takeru would act off of perfectly; an old friend of his dad's who'd lost all hope. It's at least nice to see a contrast to Saionji blaming Ryu for everything last episode, but it feels so glossed over for what it is. Only real negative in an episode otherwise packed with good moments.
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12-06-2020, 05:26 PM | #16296 |
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I remember of course that Ankh and the rest of the Greeed can sense a yummy, but I only really remembered it as them having some sort of innate sense... but what they're picking up on is the sound of their cell medals clinking. That is so amazingly perfect and is maybe one of the best descriptions of the Greeed I can imagine; literally having a fine-tuned sense to the sound of money.
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It'd be nigh-impossible to do something like that these days with how many Riders are running around and how that's just treated as the norm, and that's fine and fits shows like Ex-Aid and Saber; but it certainly feels like... this is a show about human lives first, and that strengthens the Rider portions. I'm still not sure how to put it, but I've got a lot of feelings about how this era of Rider handled things.
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Talking of Igarashi... I wanted more of him! It's tragic to see him killed off like this so easily when he's exactly the sort of character Takeru would act off of perfectly; an old friend of his dad's who'd lost all hope. It's at least nice to see a contrast to Saionji blaming Ryu for everything last episode, but it feels so glossed over for what it is.
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12-06-2020, 05:37 PM | #16297 |
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I guess they were worried about killing a character off near christmas. At least they didn't sell a shirt!
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12-09-2020, 08:21 PM | #16298 |
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Kamen Rider X Kamen Rider: OOO & W feat. Skull
Skull: Message for W Pretty fun! But you knew that already, right? When people talk about War Core sucking as a movie, 90% of the time it will come with the caveat of "W portion was good, though". And yeah, it is! It's a really great noir movie set in ~Some Years Ago~ where we get to see a whole story featured around Sokichi Banba, as if we were getting a backdoor pilot to Kamen Rider Skull. I'm personally not too convinced that it's as good a detective story as most W episodes were, even if the twist is interesting; but it's exciting and enjoyable on its own and that's all it needed to be. Special shoutout for me personally goes to all the physical, practical action going on; all the stuff in the construction site with Skull struggling under frontloaders and then the big huge action piece with the Skullgarry versus a giant tanker truck? SICK! Exciting through and through. ... I kind of hate that this is in this movie, though. Don't get me wrong, it's a great Skull Returns movie... but the poster says W & OOO. This is a W & OOO crossover movie. Get your own spot. The movie opens with a shot of Philip and Shotaro once again going Cyclone, Joker, Henshin!! and it got me so pumped up to see a little bit of these guys again during my OOO rewatch... only to realise that, yeah, they're barely in this; and the same goes for Terui, Akiko, any of the excellent supporting cast; we don't even get any villains back for a second, either. It's just such a huge huge shame to not have a fun story featuring these characters again for one last rodeo like most Movie Wars tend to do. Skull Returns is good for what it is, but not what should have been here. OOO: Nobunaga's Desire Quote:
This sucks. Contrary to what my many posts on the matter of Zero-One's last third might lead you to believe, I don't actually like talking about things I don't like for too long. Past the point of productivity it's just not fun for anyone involved, and what's kept me in Toku is how good everything feels and very few things can really elicit a reponse of anger from me even if I don't like, say, Kabuto or Ninninger. All of this to say I do not intend on talking about this for long and you can probably understand why. Beyond how nothing in this matches up with the show's continuity - which, if you know anything about me; beyond a moment of hilarity at Eiji having the Medal Holder months before it's supposed to be introduced and exclusively used by Ankh; I don't care too much - it's astonishing how much this doesn't get what OOO is about. There is a scene where Nobunaga straight up asks Eiji "How can you possibly live without desire?!" and Eiji responds "Well... I just enjoy life, you know... and, the sky is always blue " and the ending has Nobunaga tragically despair over not understanding this and WOW, MY GOD, I'm open to big discussions on the meaning of a text and different interpretations of it and what you personally got out of it but I cannot imagine understanding Eiji's character and the entire point of OOO as a series any less than this. Kind of, just, wow. I distinctly remember, I think maybe last year, a little after I joined the board; Fish posted something about the movie along the lines of "OOO has this wonderful nuance of toeing the line between never completely condoning greed or a lack of it, which Core completely misunderstands", and... wish I could link to it, but that's pretty much it. Abandons all the nuance of the show for something that's barely saying anything interesting on its own. Oh, and like Skull; this is barely about Eiji at all. Since it's not 99% a flashback he actually does get to be in this, but he's demoted to supporting cast member at best to make way for Nobu. So the movie called W X OOO barely features W or OOO. Sweet. Fun fact by the way -- Ankh is basically non-existent. He has a single scene a third of the way in motorbiking around at night for... some reason, notices the Nobu Greeed off-screen and doesn't interact with any of the cast at all. The scene lasts about a minute, and his only other scene is a few seconds during the final fight where he points at the TaToBa suit and calls Eiji dumb. It really feels like Inoue just completely forgot Ankh existed until the last second. why do you have all the Shauta and Gatakiriba medals?! Movie War Core Fun? Fun. Fun. This is 15 minutes of pure unadultered popcorn flick rubbish featuring W and OOO using their most powerful forms to destroy a giant flaming Ichigou before Eiji lands in Rio so the production crew can get a holiday. What more do you want? Well... I would have liked more interactions to be sure. Shotaro screaming and freaking out over OOO having a floating disembodied arm following about is easily the highlight of the entire movie and I'm sad this couldn't have been the whole thing. I miss this idiot! I'm gonna have to rewatch W immediately after I finish this whole thing, aren't I? Not much more to say. Fun action sequence, wish I got more out of a movie featuring two of my favourite Riders. YOOOOO THEY'RE MAKING AN OOO/DEN-O MOVIE?! HOLY SHIT!!!!
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12-09-2020, 08:39 PM | #16299 |
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I always found it a funny dichotomy that all of the W movies fit into the continuity rather nicely, but every OOO movie straight up CAN'T be canon even if Toei staff insist otherwise.
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12-09-2020, 08:42 PM | #16300 |
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I think the only thing in the other two that puts things at odd is the medal count, right? I'm easily able to overlook that as opposed to... the entire premise being different.
Talking of medals, this is the first instance of "We-can't-use-Gatakiriba-anymore-we're-so-sorry-we'll-put-him-in-every-movie-even-8-years-later-to-make-up-for-it". He gets to do a totem pole here! Good fun
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