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08-26-2020, 10:39 AM | #781 |
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The thing I'm curious about is how people really don't seem to like Mutsuki, while I'd argue that Tachibana is more frustrating and unlikable? Mutsuki is a moody teeanger who no one likes, but he's been (unless I've forgotten something, and not counting Shima's sacrifice) pretty harmless? I mean, sure, he kidnapped Amane, but she doesn't seem that upset about it. Tachibana, however, has nearly caused the deaths of multiple people on the show, multiple times. Why does Tachibana seem to get a freer pass? Is it because he feels bad about it? That actually makes it worse to me!
Not the character. Trash fires, both of them, honestly. But I do hope for character growth. I do want to know why Team Blade apparently keeps giving Tachibana a pass, tho. Edit: I also had positive feelings about Mutsuki's redemption arc - I don't think it's that he has no culpability in his terrible behavior throughout the course of the series. He's been an idiot teenager doing stupid shit. The aforementioned trash fire. And along came the Spider Undead, telling him all the things he wanted to hear about how to Be Awesome, and he ate it up. His conversation with Shima and Tiger Queen, the moment in which he figures out that he's maybe not gone about this the right way? I kind of love it. He's still listening to Other People, but he's listening to people who have consistently demonstrated that they care about him. It does crack me the fuck up that when he feels guilty about Tiger Queen getting sealed, he goes to Tachibana for the emotional resolution. But overall, I think this is where he does show character growth. And I am here for it. Last edited by LeviathanBlossom; 08-26-2020 at 11:04 AM.. Reason: b/c ep 42 |
08-26-2020, 05:11 PM | #782 |
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As much as I crap on Leangle for his lack of actual upgrades, I will point out that he was included in his video of “4th Riders Final Forms”. Opinions on it are welcome.
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08-26-2020, 05:15 PM | #783 |
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Mutsuki for me really was a case of This Just Keeps Going. I didn't necessarily dislike any particular part of his story, but it was just... too long? The path to his rejecting the Spider Undead literally took up more than half the series and when it looks like he's going to turn around so many times it just got really frustrating. Like, Shima sacrificed himself to help fix it; and nothing happened and it was barely even mentioned. I'm not even saying it should have been a quick fix but it didn't even slightly help! He seemed to get worse! So at this point the only emotion I was able to muster was "good god, finally."
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08-26-2020, 06:23 PM | #784 |
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Mutsuki for me really was a case of This Just Keeps Going. I didn't necessarily dislike any particular part of his story, but it was just... too long? The path to his rejecting the Spider Undead literally took up more than half the series and when it looks like he's going to turn around so many times it just got really frustrating. Like, Shima sacrificed himself to help fix it; and nothing happened and it was barely even mentioned. I'm not even saying it should have been a quick fix but it didn't even slightly help! He seemed to get worse! So at this point the only emotion I was able to muster was "good god, finally."
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08-26-2020, 07:14 PM | #785 |
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Alright, so, I realized immediately that if I just try and write a post about why I liked episode 42 of Blade, it'd come out exactly the same as my post about why I loved episode 15 of Blade, so you know what? Let's just lean into that.
Take a Rider who's been known to be rather obstinate, more than a little insecure... ...and often just plain silly... ...and then give him one moment. One perfect, beautiful moment where he finally throws aside his delusions to take some real control of his life: Congratulations, Blade. You've somehow made me a Leangle fan. The first time around, at least, I would've been more than ready to agree with the problems people lay out with Mukki's development over the course of the series, but I simply can't deny that having him literally wrestle with his demons, culminating in this wimpy, unlikable teenager dramatically posing with a sword in front of a classic toku napalm explosion... it just worked for me. I recall being pretty done with the guy after Shima got sealed, but right there, watching this episode for the first time, I couldn't help but root for him. My heart isn't made out of stone. For once in his life, Mukki was genuinely cool, and I was happy to see him succeed. That's all there is to it. The episode on the whole is maybe not quite on the same level as episode 15, but it's still a darn good one with a lot of touches that I love. One that jumped out at me skimming back through it to make this post is that the very last line of the episode is Mutsuki wishing he had been stronger. It's a moment of vulnerability, and an admittance of weakness, from someone who up until just a little bit ago would do anything before admitting he has faults. I really can't think of a better way to cement the growth he had here than by having him say the exact opposite of his usual "catchphrase". Just a really nice bit of writing, I think. Ever since then, I've only come more and more around to his character, to the point where I'm tempted to throw around words like "underrated". He's a good kid, for a bad kid! Also, while I'm on this subject, I might as well mention the video that I think was legitimately the point of no return in making me a mostly unironic Mukki fan. I'd say this will be lost on anyone who can't speak or read Japanese, but I'm pretty sure I barely understood anything the first couple times, so I don't know. I'm mostly sharing it because A) it's a masterpiece, and B) it balances out the largely Mukki-less video I shared before this.
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08-26-2020, 10:49 PM | #786 |
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Friends, today was the day that just wouldn't let up. Work from hell to breakfast, and it's only now that I got a minute to do what I wanted to do for hours and hours, which is talk about Kamen Rider. I'm sorry this is so late! I'm still going to do the HBV after this because I need to!
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Still, I take your point. There are some very... iffy interpretations of what Mutsuki's accomplished here, and Tachibana and Kenzaki are maybe letting their relief (Oh Thank God I Think Mutsuki Is Finally Fixed) amplify their praise. A simple Good Job might've sufficed, but they went and made it weird. To give them a little credit, I don't think they had anything prepared for this eventuality! It was not something they were counting on! Quote:
Yeah, the resolution to the Mutsuki plot and how it intertwines with Tiger Queen deciding to give Tennoji a big "screw you, I make my own destiny" and how Shima's sacrifice finally pays off, it all hit home for me. I was always a fan of Spider-Man 3 Mutsuki just because of how pathetic he was, but there was always a part of me hoping for his redemption, his freedom from the corruption keeping him down. A kid doesn't suddenly start putting spider-webs everywhere without outside influence, you know?
But yeah, I'd heard mixed things about Mustuki, but none of them really wrung true. It just works for me, maybe not in the way that's intentional - we probably weren't meant to find his attempts at being "Saikyou-da!" so lame and funny - but I like him. Quote:
I didn't really care for the climax of this episode. I'm actually in full agreement with you about the Tiger Undead's perspective from this, how this is her way of fighting back in this rigged game, and she gets to help out this weird spider boy at the same time. It's probably the best way for her character to head out!
My issue is with Mutsuki, and maybe this is just me expecting something different from what the show was ultimately heading towards. All that time spent with Mutsuki pursuing strength above all else, and then repeatedly either getting beaten down or being forcibly reminded that he does still have attachments (well, one in the form of Nozomi) that make him 'weak', I thought it was all headed towards him finally realising that no, this path he's on does not have any good end for him and he goes back to being a good guy. For them to instead, in the solution, to paint it all as being the Category King's influence, and that getting rid of that alone is enough to fix everything... It's incredibly lame! It's the least compelling decision they could have made. I know obviously he's always been 'possessed' to some extent, but I was most intrigued by his character when they implied that the Undead's influence was just drawing out his latent dark desires to the surface. So he embraced that darkness, it did nothing good for him, and so then he needs to choose to push it back, and does so with some extra help from Tiger and Shima . As is though, I think he feels fairly uninvolved in how his own plot wraps up. Also it was a while ago by now, but episode 40 is one that sticks out in my mind among Blade just for how all four riders came together to kick butt in that climax. Was literally the only thing I remembered as opposed to all that robot dad stuff. It's kinda like how for a long time, I remembered episode 40 of Faiz ending with all three Riders transforming to the theme song but nothing else about it. Quote:
Before I go through your commentary on the next ep - for me, personally, I love watching both Tachibana and Mutsuki, because they are both such trash fires. I can absolutely see where you were frustrated with Tachibana repeating the same asininity again (and the story was calling him out on it a little less than it does Mutsuki, I think), but since I actively enjoy yelling at characters for doing stupid shit, I'm more willing to forgive the narrative.
Not the character. Trash fires, both of them, honestly. But I do hope for character growth. I do want to know why Team Blade apparently keeps giving Tachibana a pass, tho. Edit: I also had positive feelings about Mutsuki's redemption arc - I don't think it's that he has no culpability in his terrible behavior throughout the course of the series. He's been an idiot teenager doing stupid shit. The aforementioned trash fire. And along came the Spider Undead, telling him all the things he wanted to hear about how to Be Awesome, and he ate it up. His conversation with Shima and Tiger Queen, the moment in which he figures out that he's maybe not gone about this the right way? I kind of love it. He's still listening to Other People, but he's listening to people who have consistently demonstrated that they care about him. It does crack me the fuck up that when he feels guilty about Tiger Queen getting sealed, he goes to Tachibana for the emotional resolution. But overall, I think this is where he does show character growth. And I am here for it. Quote:
Mutsuki for me really was a case of This Just Keeps Going. I didn't necessarily dislike any particular part of his story, but it was just... too long? The path to his rejecting the Spider Undead literally took up more than half the series and when it looks like he's going to turn around so many times it just got really frustrating. Like, Shima sacrificed himself to help fix it; and nothing happened and it was barely even mentioned. I'm not even saying it should have been a quick fix but it didn't even slightly help! He seemed to get worse! So at this point the only emotion I was able to muster was "good god, finally."
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The first time around, at least, I would've been more than ready to agree with the problems people lay out with Mukki's development over the course of the series, but I simply can't deny that having him literally wrestle with his demons, culminating in this wimpy, unlikable teenager dramatically posing with a sword in front of a classic toku napalm explosion... it just worked for me. I recall being pretty done with the guy after Shima got sealed, but right there, watching this episode for the first time, I couldn't help but root for him. My heart isn't made out of stone. For once in his life, Mukki was genuinely cool, and I was happy to see him succeed. That's all there is to it.
The episode on the whole is maybe not quite on the same level as episode 15, but it's still a darn good one with a lot of touches that I love. One that jumped out at me skimming back through it to make this post is that the very last line of the episode is Mutsuki wishing he had been stronger. It's a moment of vulnerability, and an admittance of weakness, from someone who up until just a little bit ago would do anything before admitting he has faults. I really can't think of a better way to cement the growth he had here than by having him say the exact opposite of his usual "catchphrase". Just a really nice bit of writing, I think. Ever since then, I've only come more and more around to his character, to the point where I'm tempted to throw around words like "underrated". He's a good kid, for a bad kid! Mutsuki finally got the tragic backstory he always wanted!
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08-26-2020, 11:15 PM | #787 |
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In retrospect it really is interesting that the people who are growing and changing are those around Kenzaki than Kenzaki himself.
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08-26-2020, 11:28 PM | #788 |
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I think he is, it's just harder to see because the waveform of his personality doesn't oscillate nearly as much as the other three. In other words, Kenzaki doesn't need to change and grow as much as Tachibana or Mutsuki, so it doesn't seem like he is. He's already a very sweet boy!
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08-27-2020, 12:47 AM | #789 |
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KAMEN RIDER BLADE - HYPER BATTLE VIDEO
This time on Kamen Rider Blade: It's Blade versus Blade, as Tachibana and Mutsuki are no help! Hajime holds the key to victory! And Kotaro basically reads out this page from the Wiki! It's cute! It's a cute little video. I mean, boy, not that much to talk about in this one, really. It's very very about explaining how all the trading card powers work. That, and Kotaro s l o w l y r e a d i n g t h e w o r d s h e i s t y p i n g, was about 80% of this special. I don't know why they went that way with this? As a promotional tool, is it really that useful to explain the superhero rules for a series that's ending in seven episodes? Doesn't strike me as a worthwhile use of a 10-minute video. The gags in this are funny, though. Of course Mutsuki screws up and attacks the wrong Blade, and of course Tachibana gets all Let Me Take It From Here and screws up equally bad. They're hopeless, these other Riders. It's fitting that the only one who's able to really see Kenzaki is Hajime, and is the only Rider who can tell which Blade is real and which is THE ONE OBVIOUSLY WEARING A SCARF. (I actually think the scarf thing is hysterical. I love stories where characters can't tell which is the duplicate during incredibly obvious switcheroos. That gag always, always lands with me. Tachibana and Mutsuki being both oblivious and dangerous? Not exactly noncanonical!) Hajime's answer for how he could pick out the real Kamen Rider Blade is that, when he shouted out "Blade", the U.N.D.E.A.D. turned to the sound a second faster than Kenzaki. It's a joke, Kenzaki Is So Slow, ha ha, sure. It's just, I don't think that's it? Hajime doesn't shout "Kenzaki", he shouts "Blade". The robot probably thinks of itself at that point as Blade, while (to paraphrase Inoue) Kenzaki is Kenzaki. I think Hajime knew that, and knew that Kenzaki would turn slower to being called Blade than he would being called Kenzaki. Hajime gets that very sweet boy! Other than that, it's a trifle. Fun fights between Blade and Blade With New Scarf, but that's about it. A whole whole lot of explaining the cards. Weird choice, but it was still fun.
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08-27-2020, 01:59 AM | #790 |
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I might be thinking of a different thing and I hope I'm not, but my favourite bit of this video is when the question is brought up whether Tachibana and Mutsuki might be fakes too. Then when the two of them start doing their usual moping about themselves, Kenzaki very happily declares that must mean they're the real deal.
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