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07-01-2020, 07:27 AM | #1001 |
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07-01-2020, 08:49 AM | #1002 |
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07-01-2020, 09:56 AM | #1003 |
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I think, structurally, I wasn't able to find a lot in it to connect with emotionally because of the AU take on it. Creating a setting so distinct from the main series while still doing all of the same character relationships, it created this schism in my brain, where I could have fun watching it while still being like Not My Faiz. It's definitely entertaining, but beyond the joy of seeing Team Orphnoch be their charming selves, it didn't really get me in the emotions. Quote:
Something to look forward to with Blade is that Excite! Subs did a completely from-scratch translation of it after they did Ex-Aid, making it one of two whole early Heisei shows to my knowledge (the other being Kuuga, thanks to Shout) that aren't currently stuck with variations on choppy TV-N translations. Excite's version is what I rewatched Blade with, and it comes highly recommended by this translation cop, if you weren't planning to use it already. Natural sounding dialogue in your Rider shows is just one more thing you've earned the right to after all this work!
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I personally loved this film! I can get that Kiba's turn felt a little forced and contrived, but I think that they had to make some concessions in order to fit the series' plot in a single movie format.
One of the reasons I loved the film so much is that it really is a microcosm of all the good parts of the series. The rather thin plot is trimmed of all the fat, and the new scenario allows the characters to focus on the important stuff, interaction, introspection and the exploration of morality. And of course action. We seriously have everything. Aside from the sad lack of Delta, I do believe we get almost all of their various abilities featured. Some of my favorite standout moments: - The Faiz Gear and Auto Vajin being hidden in junk. - Faiz Axel taking out a crap ton of Riotroopers with the Axel Crimson Smash. - Kamen Rider Psyga being the first(?) English-speaking Rider. - Faiz smoothly tossing aside the Edge, only for Mari to pick it up later. - The fact that this movie held the record for the largest number of extras in a film for quite a long period of time - all of their names appearing in the credits. - The gorgeous aerial shot of the stadium with Faiz Blaster's energy erupting from the sides. Just, man, RUDE. It really is great that they zeroed in on what Mari and Takumi mean to each other. Could've gone with some grandiose villain plot, but they kept it about characters. It's a huge point in the movie's favor! Quote:
You seem to have missed the editor as the girl’s dad and the voice of the Visors as the Lio Orphnoch.
And speaking of what you may have missed, the heads of Smart Brain are all voiced by classic villain actors from all of Toei’s big 3; Goro Naya (Kamen Rider), Seizo Kato (Super Sentai) and Shozo Iizuka (Metal Heroes). And so we avoid this “where to watch the movie” business for future threads, I’ll just tell you here. Blade: Episodes 28-31 were followed by (on the first broadcast) four shorts films leading up to the main feature. Hibiki: The episodes functions best as a replacement for episode 33. Kabuto: Now this is a weird one. While it is an AU, it takes place prior to the first episode. I’d recommend around episodes 23-27, since everything in the movie is established by then and they’re advertising the movie in post credits scenes. Den-O: The movie takes place between episodes 27 and 28. Kiva: The movie doesn’t really fit into canon, but it works best between episodes 24 and 27. Decade: Another weird one. While the movie is canon, like Den-O’s, there’s no point where the plot stops long enough to fit it in. TVTropes suggests it takes place after episode 27 (which does include a few Easter eggs foreshadowing the movie) while the KR Wiki says after episode 29 (which is the last episode prior to the finale). Zi-O: The movie is an alternate ending, branching off after episode 43.
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07-01-2020, 12:39 PM | #1004 |
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So, and maybe I’m wrong on this, but I don’t think I’d’ve assumed that Takumi’s reveal as an Orphnoch in the movie was something that’d happen in the show. The whole movie is so bonkers and separate from the show that I’d probably think the Takumi thing was another weird choice in a weird movie. (Murakami is just a head in a jar and no one ever comments on it! Inoue was just like Takumi Has A Ponytail And Murakami Is A Head In A Jar. That was how he wanted to tell this story! It’s so weird!) It’s important to the climax of the film, and it ties together the main theme of humans and Orphnochs being similarly capable of either heroism or villainy, but it’s not something the film spends a ton of time on. I would probably have written it off as some weird-ass 11th-hour Inoue choice. (I mean, that's maybe too dismissive of it. It's integral to Yuuji's story in this that Faiz not just be a human he's friends with, but a fellow Orphnoch who choose to fight for humans. It's not just a random choice. But it's also so close to the end of the film that I don't know if the film needed it as a plot point.) The Yuuji turn here, it avoids the Murakami Junior stuff that bugged me in the series, but… I sort-of hate it? The Oga costume is awesome, and the rage that consumes Yuuji feels a lot more visceral and substantial than what we got in the series. I’ll give it that. But, man, having it be because Smart Brain tricks him into thinking Mari betrayed him and got his friends killed? Lame! Lame choice! It moves Yuuji’s turn from a moral collapse into an unfortunate misunderstanding, and I hate that so much. In the show, it’s Yuuji’s decision to do every horrible thing he does. He falls on his own, which makes him picking himself back up feel earned. Here, he’s been lied to by the bad guys, and then changes his mind at the last second because he feels bad about it. Like, I can’t stress this enough, Yuuji’s turn has to be a fully-informed decision or it fundamentally doesn’t matter. I get that there’s less time in the movie to make that turn work, but, maybe don’t do it then? There’s a great fight in there with Oga and Faiz (in a Falls Count Anywhere match, which is how you know it’s final), but this is all a misunderstanding and it bugged the shit out of me. I get the Misunderstanding tag against Faiz now! It’s not great! Since you expressed surprised at Murakami, the Head of Smart Brain, I guess you didn't read the prequel I linked? This is one of those weirder parts that get explained. I agree with your thoughts on Kiba's turn. His reaction is more justified but it's also a diabolus ex machina. Misunderstandings happen but creating misunderstandings is supposed to be a Kusaka thing. Takumi's showdown with Kiba lacks their emotional rivalry since Takumi didn't even know Kiba joined the bad guys until they started fighting. His redemption doesn't require a speech or show of mercy, it just kind of happens. At least he gets to have a dying speech to Takumi entrusting him to take over his ideals so he still believed in doing the right thing. It's a good scene but how they got there is a little contrived. Quote:
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Good film, though, besides that. The story’s smartly centered on Mari and Takumi’s bond. They become friends super fast in the show, so the movie gets a lot of juice from how long it keeps Mari and Takumi apart. Having the story be about how much these two need each other in their lives, I loved that. The series kind-of spent more time with Mari in Kusaka’s plots as time went on, so I really liked how integral their early-series bond was to this story. Takumi needs the motivation and encouragement that Mari provides, and Mari needs someone in her life worth rooting for. (That is to say, Kusaka is very very Kusaka in this movie, to hilarious effect. He’s cinematically full of himself in this!) Plus, shit, the whole movie is pretty much about Mari. She’s a bad-ass revolutionary, she’s a party organizer, she’s the reason Yuuji falls and the reason he sacrifices himself… she’s the star of this one, and she does an amazing job. The new Riders have some awesome suits, too! (Figured I should finally talk about them.) Kamen Rider Oga was a design that took me a minute to get into, but I ended up really liking it. I like the skirt on it. I like the way the horizontal lines on the Omega symbol form the lower part of the face. I liked Kamen Rider Buzz Lightyear’s suit better, though. That white and purple! So good! Wasn’t crazy about the very rubbery jetpack, but the suit itself was stunning. And that first fight he had, against the mutinous Smart Brain salarymen, very cool! He has a fluidity to his combat that felt unique among the Riders. My favorite of the two new Riders. I'm glad that the emotional center of the movie was the friendship between Takumi and Mari since they're the first two main characters to meet in the show and they become very fond of each other. That's what made me invested in the movie, despite the problem with Kiba. Keitarou having his big heroic moment as Kaixa was cool as well and I prefer him as Kaixa to the Kusaka in this continuity. Keitarou deserved to be a Kamen Rider at least once. Orga is the only Smart Brain Rider whose design doesn't really work for me. The reason why I love the aesthetics of Faiz and Kaixa is how utilitarian they are like they were designed to move fast and deal damage as effectively as possible without any excess, like the whole body becomes a weapon. I don't have anything against capes but putting one on a Rider in Kamen Rider Faiz doesn't make a lot of sense. It just looks too regal for such a heavy sci-fi high tech setting. Thanks for the vision of Tim Allen as a Kamen Rider. Psyga is my favorite of the two movie Riders as well. Purple though? His Photon Blood is blue and resemble veins. Are you referring to his visor? You could call that a shade of purple I guess but it's lighter and redder than Kaixa's so I call it pink. It's a cool color combo though with the white suit in contrast to the usual black. Very Necrom. I thought his jetpack guns were awesome! His quirk of speaking only in fluent English made his character very distinct. Quote:
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Yeah, fun movie. Great to see some old friends again. (My heart, when it was Team Orphnoch teasing Kaido for always saying he’s going to break bad when he never ever will!) The post-apocalyptic nature of the movie was probably the best way to tell a story that hit on the themes of the show, leveraged some of the character relationships, but didn’t try to rush anything so it lost impact. (Well, the Yuuji stuff, maybe.) I don’t know that I cared so much about the Mina/amnesia stuff, but it was relatively brief and I will let Inoue have his melodrama. I don’t know if it feels like I’ve said a lot about this movie? I liked the themes, I love these characters, it was a fun diversion. Seems like it would’ve been fun to see in a theater? It looks like Yuka/Kaido is canon in this continuity and Kaido reciprocates her feelings. Keitarou and Yuka barely interact. I still favor Keitarou/Yuka in the show but I feel sad for Yuka/Kaido when Kaido confesses his feelings to a fatally wounded Yuka, only to die immediately after to the same awesome CGI Elasmotherium Orphenoch. P.S. How fortuitous that I should reach my 100th post around the same time as the thread's 100th page!
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07-01-2020, 03:45 PM | #1005 |
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That's the thing about Orphenochs. Any human can become one if they have the right genetics. So I guess it's reasonable to presume that Takumi has the means but only becomes one in the movie which makes sense with him being part of the human resistance before getting captured and maybe executed by Smart Brain leading to his revival as an Orphenoch. That's a way of looking at it for sure. Or maybe he already died a long time ago like in the show. Either way, you could have easily dismissed it as only happening in this alternate continuity due to events happening offscreen but it would have been a shame if you risked learning such an unpredictable plot twist too early.
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As it is, though, I think I like approaching the movie as its own discrete unit of entertainment? I'm not a fan of supplementary entertainment filling in gaps in the narrative. Like, Murakami's a head in a jar, it is never addressed, the end. There's something so pure about that idea, the commitment to an absurd visual. Quote:
His redemption doesn't require a speech or show of mercy, it just kind of happens. At least he gets to have a dying speech to Takumi entrusting him to take over his ideals so he still believed in doing the right thing. It's a good scene but how they got there is a little contrived.
I think him seeing Mari and Takumi cheering each other on got to him, reminded him of why he had previously sacrificed so much. Stepping in front of Mari... she symbolized all of humanity at that point, the ones who'd accept Orphnochs. It's clouded substantially by his (I'd assume) belief that Mari had betrayed him, but maybe Yuuji's belief in Takumi overcame that apprehension? I don't know. It's not really explicated, but I think you could maybe infer enough about those three characters to pull Yuuji's decision into focus. It's still not great, though! Quote:
While I'll defend Kusaka's status as an antihero in the show, the Kusaka in this movie is a very different Kusaka. You can't even call him a protector of humanity anymore due to his actions in the prequel and Mari coldly calls him by his given name "Masato" instead of the more affectionate "Kusaka-kun". For her to call him like that, it's clear even without reading the prequel that their relationship is in a very different place.
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I'm glad that the emotional center of the movie was the friendship between Takumi and Mari since they're the first two main characters to meet in the show and they become very fond of each other. That's what made me invested in the movie, despite the problem with Kiba. Keitarou having his big heroic moment as Kaixa was cool as well and I prefer him as Kaixa to the Kusaka in this continuity. Keitarou deserved to be a Kamen Rider at least once.
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Thanks for the vision of Tim Allen as a Kamen Rider. Psyga is my favorite of the two movie Riders as well. Purple though? His Photon Blood is blue and resemble veins. Are you referring to his visor? You could call that a shade of purple I guess but it's lighter and redder than Kaixa's so I call it pink. It's a cool color combo though with the white suit in contrast to the usual black. Very Necrom. I thought his jetpack guns were awesome! His quirk of speaking only in fluent English made his character very distinct.
Also, yeah, it is a bit Necrom, isn't it? All the white, that round eye... Good catch! Quote:
It looks like Yuka/Kaido is canon in this continuity and Kaido reciprocates her feelings. Keitarou and Yuka barely interact. I still favor Keitarou/Yuka in the show but I feel sad for Yuka/Kaido when Kaido confesses his feelings to a fatally wounded Yuka, only to die immediately after to the same awesome CGI Elasmotherium Orphenoch.
Congrats! And thanks for all of your thoughts on Faiz!
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07-01-2020, 03:52 PM | #1006 |
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07-01-2020, 04:16 PM | #1007 |
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Oh man, I totally forgot about Kazumin's casual xenophobia in the Grease V-Cinema. That movie really goes places, doesn't it?
New headcanon: They actually entrusted Auto Vajin to Kusaka so he could use it as Kaixa, but he just immediately tossed it in the dump to celebrate Inui finally being out of the picture.
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07-01-2020, 04:23 PM | #1008 |
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Will put on hold for Paradise Lost review, because it's a movie (longer).
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And how about the response for Inoue?
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07-01-2020, 04:36 PM | #1009 |
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KUSAKA (unable to stop smirking): Yes... I will keep it... so safe for when Takumi returns. His bike as well, of course. Of course. KUSAKA LEAVES MARI (to Keitaro): He's absolutely putting it in the garbage. Just look there when Takumi gets back. Quote:
I mean, he's definitely got his flaws, but a lack of sense of humor isn't one of them. If folks got other problems, I'd be interested in hearing what they don't like, same as always.
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07-01-2020, 04:41 PM | #1010 |
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I didn't, I'm sorry! I appreciate the link, and I want to get to it soon, but there just wasn't time before watching the movie.
As it is, though, I think I like approaching the movie as its own discrete unit of entertainment? I'm not a fan of supplementary entertainment filling in gaps in the narrative. Like, Murakami's a head in a jar, it is never addressed, the end. There's something so pure about that idea, the commitment to an absurd visual. Quote:
Thanks! And no problem, dude. I'm glad that you enjoyed Faiz and you made a lot of good points that I hadn't considered. Maybe I'll check in the Hibiki thread in a few months.
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