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05-09-2020, 06:37 PM | #61 |
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The weird flipside to being excited when folks get rehired in toku shows is feeling maybe a little offended when stars of one show get picked up as one-off guest stars on a later show. Like, being the Pink Ranger is a pretty big deal! Being a two-episode vestige of the past is... it is not a step up!
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05-09-2020, 07:01 PM | #62 |
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Nah, personally I find it to be a good time only because it is fun to see toku alumni act other types of characters and I dont really feel like it is a step down. Rather it is a good chance for them to show me what else they can do and plus these shows are typically entry points for new talents so there is that too. It's kinda like that first time people saw John Wesley Shipp as Barry's dad in the CW Flash show or the late Luke Perry as Archie's dad in Riverdale.
Still, you're not wrong, it's cool to see deep-cut actors show up in new types of roles. I'm all about folks coming back as often as they want!
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05-09-2020, 09:03 PM | #63 |
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Y'all'll have to let me know when they pop up, since I will definitely not know who they are!
I guess the difference for me is that, in the case of the CW stuff, it's older actors who've become less active in the intervening years (and for some of them they haven't been in a superhero project in literally decades) and the roles they're cast in are referential: the 90s Flash is the 10s Flash's dad, Supergirl's mom and dad are 90s Superman and 80s Supergirl, etc. (Even Luke Perry on Riverdale was just 90s Teen Heartthrob playing 10s Teen Heartthrob's dad.) With some of this toku stuff, they were starring in other series less than five years ago, and the new roles they get could've been played by anyone. Still, you're not wrong, it's cool to see deep-cut actors show up in new types of roles. I'm all about folks coming back as often as they want!
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And the one person who probably fits the bill of "most toku appearances post-lead toku hero role" would be Hiroshi Miyauchi, at least that is who I can remember off the top of my head. This man is LEGEND. He played 4 lead toku hero roles during his prime starting off as Shiro/V3 in Kamen Rider V3, followed by Akira/Aorenger in Gorenger, Shokichi/Big 1 in JAKQ Dengekitai, and Ken/Zubat in Kaiketsu Zubat. After that he went on to play either regular supporting roles or guest roles in The War In Space, Toei Spider-Man, Space Sheriff Gavan, Winspector, Solbrain, Exceedraft, and finally Ohranger. And also he was Mr. Tachibana in the Kamen Rider The First movie.
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05-09-2020, 09:49 PM | #65 |
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KAMEN RIDER 555 EPISODE 03
1. This was a messy one! It's not a bad one, though. I really enjoyed it, probably in ways/levels that I wasn't supposed to, but it's pretty much just an overflowing bag of an episode. There's a loose Takumi/Mari runner, a check-in with Yuuji and Live Action Hatsune Miku, an underground school that was abandoned in 1995, the hilarious suffering of Yuka, and Keitaro, the world's most impossibly dedicated dry cleaner. All that plus Faiz playing around with his cellphone to figure out how to shoot monsters with it, an unbelievably irritating high-pitched whine of an Exceed Charge, and god knows what else I already forgot. It was a lot! This one was a lot! 2. That Mari/Takumi runner, though, it keeps this thing on whatever rails it manages to stay on. I like how formless their story is right now, how it's all character-driven decision-making and, like, hanging out. (I can't decide if my favorite thing in the episode is Mari faking an Orphnoch wrist injury to get Takumi to stick around, only to actually get her wrist injured by an Orphnoch at the end, or her telling Takumi that the right amount of distance for him to sleep around her is 30cm less than Too Far Away. They're both perfect. I can't choose!) It's only midway through the episode that Mari's like Hey Why Don't We Both Go To Tokyo And Get To The Bottom Of This Monster And Belt Stuff, to which Takumi could not care less. I love it. I love how adamant the ostensible star of the show is to not doing anything as Kamen Rider Faiz. Even when Mari tosses him the belt late in the episode, you can practically hear his rolling eyes louder than you can hear his dialogue. (Holy shit, Kurona just posted about SO-DO Double getting a Hardboiler, very exciting, I lost my train of thought now.) It's maybe a turn-off for some people, the way Takumi is trying to avoid the premise and run away from the action, but, like, come on. Fate keeps throwing the two of them into the path of motorcycle-riding monsters, so we're going to get our big sci-fi story whether Takumi wants it or not. And, like, I really love that he hates being in this story. It's an endlessly funny take on a toku hero, where reluctance just, like, magnifies into a complete frustration with the genre of the show. Super funny, the ways the show pushes these two characters along the path without them both wanting it. 3. The Yuka stuff was also incredibly funny, and I'm 99% sure that's not supposed to be my takeaway. Yuka's pining for Keitaro, a very sweet boy who wants to make everyone smile and will probably kill himself if you don't get the clothes you needed laundered. (So great that the Kamen Rider show about selfish misanthropes found a way to do The Kamen Rider Theme in the most funny, satirical way possible.) Other than that small bright spot of hope, everything in her life is trying to destroy her. Yuka's story is basically an unending torment, as she's belittled by her parents (Or, "parents"? Michiko mentions that Yuka's not really her sister at one point?), bullied by her sister and the other girls at school (right by Yui and Shiro's childhood home of abuse, for added trauma), and eventually just collapses dead on some snowy stairs. It's?€? it's not a story that does a great job of sketching out a sympathetic character. Yuka's a victim of the world's hostility, but we don't really get a sense of who she is. She's meek, and gets abused. Beyond that, the only look we get into her thoughts are that she'd very much like to be literally anywhere on Earth that isn't the place where she's being abused. Which, that's a very universal wish, but it lacks the specificity that would make you want to see her situation change. As it is, the endless amounts of pain and belittlement she suffers is actually just stupidly funny? It doesn't feel grounded enough to feel relatable, and Yuka doesn't have a characteristic beyond Abused and Would Like To Stop Being Abused to make her feel like a real person. Even her death ("death”, she got them Orphnoch Optics now) is pointless, her just suddenly falling over dead. I get that Inoue had to maybe shortcut to get her story into one episode, but what's here is so over-the-top as to be almost completely ineffective. Unless you count it as parody? In which case, super effective. 4. The rest of the episode is some neat little quick bites of stories. Teases of that abandoned school are intriguing. Live Action Hatsune Miku as Yuuji's Orphnoch life coach should end up paying dividends, as even the moment when LAHM tells a questioning Yuuji to just go with the flow adds a nice sense of menace to what's otherwise an upbeat reassurance. I could not believe how absurdly dedicated to delivering dry cleaning Keitaro was, and it never got old for me. That whole part of the episode felt like Mari was trapped in an RPG, where Keitaro always needed help with just one more thing. And the final fight with the Orphnoch was great, if only for Faiz just punching in things on his phone while he lounged against a rock, taking the time in the middle of his third-ever fight to be like Hey I Wonder What This Button Does. It's that Takumi attitude of just completely not caring about the monsters or the belt or whatever, but as a fighting style. Disinterested Style? Is that a martial arts spin-off from Drunken Style? Can it be? 5. Structurally, this episode was all over the place. A whole bunch of plots were just setting up other things, and it didn't really come together at the end. (There's, like, at least four plots that do not intersect in just this one episode) But! The funny stuff is really funny, and the serious stuff was also really funny. I don't know if I got out of it what I was supposed to, but this thing was a riot. Great work, Inoue!
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05-09-2020, 09:56 PM | #66 |
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The Yuka stuff is one of the biggest obstacles I've had to watching this show again. I agree that it is ludicrously over-the-top, but everything about her backstory is so senselessly cruel that I find it hard to even thing about sitting through it again. This is what I was saying about Faiz and melodrama; it's a show that never met a dial it didn't want to turn up to 11.
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05-09-2020, 10:05 PM | #67 |
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The Yuka stuff is one of the biggest obstacles I've had to watching this show again. I agree that it is ludicrously over-the-top, but everything about her backstory is so senselessly cruel that I find it hard to even thing about sitting through it again. This is what I was saying about Faiz and melodrama; it's a show that never met a dial it didn't want to turn up to 11.
It's, again, totally ineffective at garnering sympathy. It's like a fairytale, where her struggle is all cautionary tale, all metaphor. And the way it's divorced from any sort of realistic human psychology, it makes it work gangbusters as comedy. And, you know, your mileage may vary on it. I've definitely found stuff like this a slog before. Here, maybe it's because so much of the rest of this episode was full of charmingly manipulative jerks and pathetically defeatist do-gooders, but the Yuka stuff played great as comedy. I don't know. Maybe this show is just making me an even bigger asshole than I was before?
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05-09-2020, 10:19 PM | #68 |
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My favorite touch, and the one that had me dying, was there's a point where she's getting basketballs thrown at her during gym class. It starts with her missing a pass, then her teammates are just whipping them at her. (In fairness to her bullies, there're a few of these that, like, she just needs to put two hands up to catch them. I don't have it in me to physically bully someone, but even I was like Jesus Yuka.) So it's this quick montage of her getting hit with a basketball, and then she's hit by multiple basketballs in succession. Her classmates grabbed other basketballs just to throw at her! Amazing!
It's, again, totally ineffective at garnering sympathy. It's like a fairytale, where her struggle is all cautionary tale, all metaphor. And the way it's divorced from any sort of realistic human psychology, it makes it work gangbusters as comedy. And, you know, your mileage may vary on it. I've definitely found stuff like this a slog before. Here, maybe it's because so much of the rest of this episode was full of charmingly manipulative jerks and pathetically defeatist do-gooders, but the Yuka stuff played great as comedy. I don't know. Maybe this show is just making me an even bigger asshole than I was before? There's this almost dark comedy aspect to Faiz that really does it for me. This is going to be a fun thread. |
05-09-2020, 10:34 PM | #69 |
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I don't want this to sound like I found this episode So Bad It's Good or anything. There's a ton of really funny stuff that's clearly funny on-purpose, and some genuinely creepy stuff in other scenes. It's just the Yuka stuff that is insane, but it's insane in a way that I'm not even a little mad at. I've got this friend, and she'll tell stories about her day, her life, and the longer you let her tell these stories the more horrifying they start to get. But she's fine, and she's having fun telling these stories, so you can't help but laugh. It's someone letting you know it's okay to laugh at these otherwise horrible events, even if it's only because it's too sad to contemplate. The Yuka story was like that, where I wasn't invested in the story of a teenage girl's suffering, I was watching a TV show where an actor was getting basketballs thrown at them until they cried. Like, even typing that sentence is making me laugh. There's this unreality to Inoue's melodrama here that makes it so goddamn funny to me.
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05-10-2020, 10:08 AM | #70 |
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What I meant by a recap is that you take all your episode thoughts after you are done with the show; and put them somewhere so they are easy to read, rather than having to find them in between the excellent discussions these threads have. Also the necrom and faiz drivers have the best voices ever for rider gear and I will throw cats at anyone who disagrees
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