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06-25-2020, 08:18 PM | #881 |
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... and that's what truly killed Faiz for me
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06-26-2020, 02:01 AM | #882 |
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There's no need to feel bad about feeling bad. For me, reading how certain things don't work for you is just as engaging as watching you enjoy the parts you do. Besides, it's only natural you'd be broken up at the show tearing up your ship...
rip Murakami. I was pretty content with him as the 'main villain' of this show, manipulating things from behind his desk at the top of his large company building, though things never got a chance to become more personal between him and the heroes, closest being his squabbles with Takumi during his werewolf phase. I actually like the thought of Kiba taking over as the villain in this last stretch of the show, but I sadly agree that the way it happens isn't that great. Also it's kind of funny that Time Vent was recently mentioned. That post where you just added links to all your previous episode discussions on that thread was way more effort than I would ever considered doing and that was like, iconic Die moment. |
06-26-2020, 10:29 AM | #883 |
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If I'm getting the picture you're painting of how Faiz worked for you, it's:
1. Auto Vajin 2. Yuuji's hair 3. Yuuji 4. Takumi 5. Nothing else Yikes! Quote:
There's no need to feel bad about feeling bad. For me, reading how certain things don't work for you is just as engaging as watching you enjoy the parts you do. Besides, it's only natural you'd be broken up at the show tearing up your ship...
rip Murakami. I was pretty content with him as the 'main villain' of this show, manipulating things from behind his desk at the top of his large company building, though things never got a chance to become more personal between him and the heroes, closest being his squabbles with Takumi during his werewolf phase. I actually like the thought of Kiba taking over as the villain in this last stretch of the show, but I sadly agree that the way it happens isn't that great. Also it's kind of funny that Time Vent was recently mentioned. That post where you just added links to all your previous episode discussions on that thread was way more effort than I would ever considered doing and that was like, iconic Die moment. Mostly, I just don't have a lot of interest in watching bad shows and talking about why they're bad. It can be fun once in a while, when there's a bum episode, but when something fundamentally loses sight of how best to tell a story, I just don't really feel like discussing it, past a certain point. Maybe the next couple episodes will even it out? Murakami was a great villain, and I never even talked about one of my favorite villainous traits of his! That dude listened to villainous music exclusively, and that's great. Just, on his own time, relaxing in his office, he put on Now That's What I Call Villainy! 28 or whatever and enjoyed his afternoon. There's a thing that often gets brought up, that no one thinks of themselves as a villain, but I think Murakami maybe did? Not in a monstrous way, but in an aesthetic way. He deserved better than getting replaced!
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06-26-2020, 10:40 AM | #884 |
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I don’t… man, I don’t love being bored with a Kamen Rider. I love being excited, obviously, but I’m even into being angry on occasion. I like feeling something. An episode like this, like last one… this sort-of sucks? I dislike disliking it, and I feel like an asshole writing about it.
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I’m so sorry about this post. I hate being this guy. I don’t… I don’t like saying these things, feeling this way. This show was doing so many things right! Devising so many clever ways of expanding its characters, deepening their bonds!
This, it all feels… bad. I don’t like the decisions, and it’s hurting my feelings. It all feels rushed, pushed forward to satisfy plot requirements instead of letting the characters drive the plot. It’s making all of the character relationships take a backseat to Orphnoch Kings and new belts and Orphan Daddy, and it’s making me into a guy who goes on the internet to say he doesn’t like a thing he’s a fan of and I never ever ever wanted to be that guy. This is all bumming me out so bad! I’ve never been closer to quitting doing these posts than this episode! I’m very sorry! Quote:
Well in all fairness, I still wouldn't have cared for Faiz that much -- like I said, Kiba and maybe Takumi are the only characters I'm into. It almost feels horrible saying this after how much this thread has had people go into how much they love Yuka and Keitaro but I just cannot feel a connection to them in the slightest and it failed to leave an impression on me -- so really, if this hadn't happened, Kiba for me would have been the big bright spot in a show that's otherwise turned the lights off for me. He would have been my Necrom, my Orange!Mage, my Sasword... but instead he's just
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06-26-2020, 11:00 AM | #885 |
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Well, I'm fairly confused of why you aren't into Keitaro too? I mean you disliked Faiz for it being grim, but Keitaro's someone made to counteract that, being one of the most genuinely good and the type I would expect to be an exception to you by being the optimistic ray hope of light.
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06-26-2020, 11:27 AM | #886 |
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Keitaro > Shunpei all day everyday. (No Shade Kurona, you're probably the nicest person that hates everything I love)
I actually like Yuuji's heel-turn. It's sad, no doubt, but there's still more to come that makes it interesting for me. I think there's enough there for the viewer to be able to read-in to his actions, though I will agree with Die that I think this kind of move works better in a book or comic where you can experience a character's inner turmoil more easily. (It was a cleaner turn than Daenerys in GoT season 8) I think this is less a problem with Faiz and more a problem with Kamen Rider overall. Early Heisei especially has a tendancy, in my opinion, to front load their stories with mysteries and then have a back half scramble to answer all/most of the questions they've created in the first 20 or so episodes. I love-love-love Kamen Rider, but it doesn't always stick the landing. I think Faiz does a better job than some, but I'll have more to say about that when, y'know, Die actually gets to the end. |
06-26-2020, 11:30 AM | #887 |
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Awww, that's one of the nicest compliments I can imagine! And a reputation I'd LOVE to cultivate
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06-26-2020, 12:36 PM | #888 |
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I do think that the Murakami clone doesn't work that well for me either, as it's too much of a big shift (not a fan of character switching side but also shedding every of their previous characteristics without a trace) but I'm also thinking up on how should Yuji act.... (if they still decide to turn him into villain, if him turning into a villain is still related to his character and not just a forced plot twist).
What I got, though, was an unemotional dude who suddenly cared a lot about all of the shit that Murakami cared about, things that were never brought up in Yuuji's storyline before now. It'd be like if Takumi was gone for an episode, and when he came back he was a disengaged bully who longed for excitement he couldn't feel. A heel turn is more than just making a good character play a villain character's part! Quote:
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I think this is less a problem with Faiz and more a problem with Kamen Rider overall. Early Heisei especially has a tendancy, in my opinion, to front load their stories with mysteries and then have a back half scramble to answer all/most of the questions they've created in the first 20 or so episodes. I love-love-love Kamen Rider, but it doesn't always stick the landing.
Like, I love Build, but even that show had a couple episodes where I was like Maybe You Are Trying To Tell Too Big A Story Here My Dude.
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06-26-2020, 12:49 PM | #889 |
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That's really the heart of it for me, though. I could 100% be onboard with a Yuuji who decides that his earlier behavior was naive, that Yuka died due to his belief in coexistence, to become radicalized through a mix of regret and rage. I could embrace that whole-heartedly.
What I got, though, was an unemotional dude who suddenly cared a lot about all of the shit that Murakami cared about, things that were never brought up in Yuuji's storyline before now. It'd be like if Takumi was gone for an episode, and when he came back he was a disengaged bully who longed for excitement he couldn't feel. A heel turn is more than just making a good character play a villain character's part! I did really like the outdoors scene with Yuuji and Kaido! It was almost hard to reconcile with everything else (Yuuji seems genuinely happy to see Kaido, but is also willing to use him in the fight against the Orphnoch King), but Kaido more than sold his half of the scene. He's so to-the-bone relieved to see Yuuji. It was emotional, character-based storytelling, and it's the bare minimum of what I want to see. I guess I'm grateful that so much of this series worked for me, then! Yeah, it's a problem inherent to telling a season-long story. It's way bigger than a Kamen Rider problem, but it's pretty consistently a Kamen Rider problem. It's just really, really hard to figure out how much plot a season-long mystery/arc needs. Too little, and you're killing time until the next phase can start. Too much, and you're having to rush twists or cram in exposition. It's the hardest part of making these shows! Like, I love Build, but even that show had a couple episodes where I was like Maybe You Are Trying To Tell Too Big A Story Here My Dude. |
06-26-2020, 01:41 PM | #890 |
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There's a middle section to Wizard that is so repetitive that it nearly broke me. But all of that repetition is purposeful, and sets up maybe my favorite season-long arc conclusion in the entire franchise. You could make the argument that the middle section's flabbiness and built-in frustration is unforgivable, but you could also argue that the cleanliness and excitement of the finale more than makes up for it. It's... it's not cut and dry, is I guess what I'm getting at. I don't know that I'd be in favor of Kamen Rider dumping the season-long arc stuff, because when it's done right? Man. Real sweet, when it's done right.
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