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06-30-2020, 12:31 PM | #981 |
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Excellent, excellent thread. While I don't agree with everything 100%, I have to tip my hat off to Kamen Rider Die for his steadfast dedication and pinpoint analysis of the entire season. Bravo!
So, on to the movie? That's one I'm really looking forward to! Also, just had my 30th Birthday Party and had a custom cake made based on the Faiz Gear Box! (^o^) Last edited by Actar; 06-30-2020 at 12:33 PM.. |
06-30-2020, 12:43 PM | #982 |
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There's a prequel to Paradise Lost called Lost World, which might be worth reading the plot summary to understand some of the weirder parts of the movie.
Faiz Briefcake? I would eat that!
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06-30-2020, 12:54 PM | #983 |
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That Smart Brain Cake is awesome
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06-30-2020, 01:24 PM | #984 |
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Haha, thanks! The details, including the Smart Brain nameplate, handle, locks and hinges were lovingly and accurately recreated in fondant. The cake itself, was a mix of white and dark chocolate flavor, selected to represent the moral conflict of the Orphnochs in Faiz.
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06-30-2020, 03:05 PM | #985 |
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This is exactly the kind of perspective that makes me want to try it again. I think if I view it from this angle, I can enjoy it more. When I first watched it I was definitely focusing less on that and more on general plot, which is a type of viewing I've moved beyond just in general since then. So I think I might be able to get a lot more out of it on a second viewing considering both the changes in my own viewing style and your insights.
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For this one, I think the whole point of Takumi's story is to, not redeem him, but evolve him? He's an asshole when it starts, but the show adds so much context and specificity to it that he can only get better as a person. On the other hand, there's Kusaka. He starts as a tortured anti-hero and ends as a villain. He never gets better, and he actually gets worse as you learn more about him? So, I don't know. I think there's a benefit to not trying to turn everyone into a nice guy, but there's also times where you need to give a character an arc. Does that make sense? Quote:
That means Inoue was on the right track for Faiz as a concept, but sorta forgot what KR meant for kids, that Faiz probably would work much better as anything else except as a Rider season, for those that watches KR for the hope and optimism in humanity; while Faiz is much more realistic approach as a hero genre (not everyone wants to do things) it leave a bad taste for those.
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Though for you, I guess he'd matter more if he interacts with more than just Ryusei School alumnus like Team Faiz or Orphnoch (except Yuji at the end)? Also if you think there's too much time digging into Ryusei School, would that contradicts with Hanagata not mattering much?
Adding more Orphan Daddy to the present-day storytelling probably wouldn't fix that, so for me it's a Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don't situation. As is, it's an Orphan Daddy who feels inconsequential and a Ryusei School story that feels poorly portioned. Adding more Orphan Daddy makes the Ryusei School story way way more of the series plot, and that feels like a huge mistake. I don't really have a way in mind for them to have fixed it! Quote:
So I first watched Faiz back in 2009, during my own binge-watch of the Heisei era (minus Kuuga, which hadn't been subbed yet). I was really into it at first, but about two-thirds in I started seeing some of its recurring tropes become more apparent. In the years since then, I've largely let some of its more infamous elements grow larger and more egregious in my memories, helped along by a lot of the general consensus that most people have for the show. For a long time I felt I would never go back and watch it again, and the one attempt I made ended after two episodes.
I'm really glad that I joined you on this ride (pun intended) because it's given me a chance to really re-evaluate the series. There are still some elements that didn't work for me (Mihara) or made my eyes roll (some obvious cop-out fight endings), but a lot more of it worked. I'll definitely say that your own interpretations helped me view some of these areas in a new light, but I also just remembered how good this show's characters could be. I'll stand by my own comments early on in the thread that this is the soap opera Kamen Rider, but I'll be damned if that didn't turn out to be one of its redeeming qualities. I think maybe bingeing this one does it a disservice? Being able to spend a day between episodes, spending some time really thinking about, it helped focus on the themes and characters rather than just letting the plot wash over me for hours at a time. I'm glad that it was helpful for other fans! Quote:
Excellent, excellent thread. While I don't agree with everything 100%, I have to tip my hat off to Kamen Rider Die for his steadfast dedication and pinpoint analysis of the entire season. Bravo!
So, on to the movie? That's one I'm really looking forward to! Also, just had my 30th Birthday Party and had a custom cake made based on the Faiz Gear Box! (^o^)
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06-30-2020, 03:53 PM | #986 |
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Oh, also, yes, tonight is movie night! It's probably going to be a very late post, but I'm aiming to have it up tonight.
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06-30-2020, 05:27 PM | #987 |
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It's nice to see that stance reevaluated in a way no amount of me saying "well, actually" could have accomplished, but beyond that, it's just always nice to see people... patching things up, I guess? I mean, it's just a TV show, obviously, but me going through the same process with Gaim resulted in my very first epic novel thread on this forum years back, so, speaking from experience, being able to find again those things you liked about something you've grown cold towards is a wonderful feeling. Die, I'd love to believe you're saying this out of the goodness of your heart, but, as you just pointed out, we remember the comments you've made. This kinda sounds like an excuse to weasel your way out of that fight with Kurona over all your objectively awful opinions on suit designs. Cosmic States deserves an apology! Quote:
I think maybe bingeing this one does it a disservice? Being able to spend a day between episodes, spending some time really thinking about, it helped focus on the themes and characters rather than just letting the plot wash over me for hours at a time.
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That cake is amazing.
... Okay, actually, I lied. That cake is immaculate. Nothing can top that.
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06-30-2020, 06:06 PM | #988 |
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06-30-2020, 06:10 PM | #989 |
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This is yet another one of the many joys this thread has given me. I've seen Switchblade say stuff along the lines of "Faiz's biggest problem is that it'd rather be a soap opera than a Rider show" for ages, and could never think anything in response except "biggest problem?"
It's nice to see that stance reevaluated in a way no amount of me saying "well, actually" could have accomplished, but beyond that, it's just always nice to see people... patching things up, I guess? I mean, it's just a TV show, obviously, but me going through the same process with Gaim resulted in my very first epic novel thread on this forum years back, so, speaking from experience, being able to find again those things you liked about something you've grown cold towards is a wonderful feeling. |
06-30-2020, 06:28 PM | #990 |
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I'm totally gonna have to do a Kurona Rewatches Ghost thread at some point, huh?
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