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08-21-2020, 08:10 PM | #16021 |
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I've always found Geiz's character pretty easy to understand -- he goes back in time with a simple goal to save his future, then finds things a lot more complicated than they seemed at first between finding it hard to kill; between the Timejackers being a thing; between Tsukuyomi's own thoughts and between it seeming that Sougo might not actually become Ohma at all. There's so many reasons for him not to kill Sougo that keep popping up and are always made very clear.
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08-21-2020, 08:39 PM | #16022 |
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Man, it's almost like the fundamental dramatic tension of Geiz's character stems from his inability to get his brain in sync with his heart when it comes to Sougo. Next you'll be telling me that Sento often struggles with self-doubt despite proclaiming himself to be a narcissist, or that Shoutarou isn't actually hard-boiled.
I'm sorry I'm being so sarcastic about this, so to be more sincere for a second, I just really have a hard time seeing where the whole "Geiz is totally inconsistent and random!" argument comes from. Or at least I don't get the sheer level of vitriol it usually comes with? I'll fully acknowledge that being on the exact opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to my opinions on the character is part of the problem here. Heck, in general, Zi-O has turned out to be my favorite series since Ghost, so... yeah, I mean, I guess I'm used to being in this position, at least.
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08-21-2020, 08:41 PM | #16023 |
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Plus, as later plots prove, Geiz is *incredibly* easily manipulated. You can trick him into blowing himself up with his own attack just by going "No Geiz, don't do it, please~!" He's just a dork trying to act cool, but he's the one who managed to get his own Ridewatch, so back in time he goes!
This has got me thinking, though - in the original drafts, before rewrites got us the Zi-O we actually saw - what were the Time Jackers going to be? Better explained than what we got? Worse? Tis a mystery for the ages. EDIT: Oh no I agree with Fish Sandwich on something can't believe I've resigned myself to the bad end of history.
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08-21-2020, 08:55 PM | #16024 |
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Since I'm not even 10 episodes in, I don't have a solid grasp on Geiz's character, so I can't fully say he's inconsistent. I just hate his lack of agency. I guess one can argue that, if you can freely travel through time with no consequences, "Hurrying up" isn't exactly high on the to do list, but considering he spends most episode standing around with his arms crossed until something happens, it feels like he literally has no desire to do much of anything.
And speaking of desire, episode 9 is probably the first episode of Zi-O I enjoyed. OOO is one of my favorite series, and it's hard not to love Kuroto Dan. It was nice to see him in full ham mode. Seems even with timeline altering shenanigans, his insanity can't be stopped. Sougo basically drooling over him once he declared himself king is wonderful. Anyway, I do have a question about episode 8 and Beast's appearance. How? His driver was destroyed and Chimera was set free at the end of Wizard, and if the timeline was altered via the creation of Another Wizard and he never became a mage, then, well...He never became a mage. So regardless of the situation, how could Beast transform, however briefly, in that episode?
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08-21-2020, 08:59 PM | #16025 |
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In the Wizard/Gaim crossover, he got Chimera back offscreen - it's been years since I watched it, but they mention recapturing him for study, and then Beast ends up having to transform again. And since then, he's been feeding the Phamtom a steady diet of Hellheim fruit!
Edit: Also it's best not to overthink Ridewatches. They work like clocks, and contain 'history'. That's all you need to know.
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08-21-2020, 09:05 PM | #16026 |
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This may turn out not to be a coincidence, since it's the start of the first stretch of episodes written by Nobuhiro Mouri instead of Kento Shimoyama. His writing on Zi-O has a notably different flavor a lot of the time, I find, and he definitely gave the show some of its best stories.
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08-21-2020, 09:05 PM | #16027 |
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Yeah count me in on not getting on why people keep saying Geiz flip flopping is inconsistant. Early on we establish Tsukoyomi being able to get Geiz to relent even while being his stubborn self. So what originally got him to back down was that. But he hasn't formed a meaningful bond with Sougo which is why he was so hostile in the beginning. But as the show keeps going his constant threats were seen more or less to keep a status quo and you can see that even he clearly dosen't believe in it anymore.But Geiz constant pressure of future events feels as if he has no choice but to keep up. Which is why when Sougo and Geiz were reminded by Tsukoyomi about changing destiny and not going through with "final battle" in episode 28 that Geiz drops his constant threats.
It's this bond that allows Geiz to be more wary of White Woz as the old Geiz would've taken the powers of Revive without question. As well as for both of them to come to understanding so quickly once Hiryu reseted the world and history.(It also an indication of Sougo growth but that whole nother tangent)
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08-21-2020, 09:06 PM | #16028 |
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In the Wizard/Gaim crossover, he got Chimera back offscreen - it's been years since I watched it, but they mention recapturing him for study, and then Beast ends up having to transform again. And since then, he's been feeding the Phamtom a steady diet of Hellheim fruit!
Edit: Also it's best not to overthink Ridewatches. They work like clocks, and contain 'history'. That's all you need to know. Next you'll tell me Giru's awakening in Movie War Core was also canon, but he was just defeated off screen and never brought up Eh, whatever it takes to justify a character getting their powers back, I guess. And I'm trying not to, trust me, but then the series goes and tries to explain them
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08-22-2020, 01:49 AM | #16029 |
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Geiz is like the only the character in the entirety of Zi-O that makes sense from beginning to end.
Appreciate this boy: Last edited by FreshToku; 08-22-2020 at 01:52 AM.. |
08-22-2020, 02:13 AM | #16030 |
Dai Shogun
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Never liked Geiz. Didn’t work for me as a character, went from "I like you Sougo!" to "I murder you now Sougo!" like three times too many.
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