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10-25-2020, 09:45 PM | #431 |
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OK the 2nd half where finally here. And I think it's time to lay my feelings about it bare in an analogy that hopefully works.
I go down to Ricobene's to get my usual deep dish sasuage pizza. When I noticed that they changed the flour they used for the dough goes from a wheat to corn strach and the sasuage wasn't from the local farms but from another state. And then they added an extra ingrediant chili peppers into the pizza. Not only that but the pizza dough was still a bit raw from not being cooked enough. That's the best way I can describe the 2nd half of Hibiki. It was always going to be a challenge for me to accept the show going forward but the ideas the 2nd half brought weren't bad and I could've excepted the replaced ideas with time but that's just it the production was rushed and it never felt like they worked out kinks at the end. I know this alot of negatives amd I don't wanna make it seem like your wrong for having a postive first impression of the 2nd half this is just how I feel and I'm going to see how your opinions changed as we get more into the controversial stuff. And don't worry I won't be all negative despite the rushed productions there still things that I want to praise the 2nd half for. Cuz this is still a pizza even a bit raw and different still has some parts tthat I enjoy! (That said, deep dish pizza? I'm probably as angry at that as Switchblade is at these episodes.) I do get what you're saying, though. As someone who felt like Agito took a minute to stop feeling like The New Season Of Kuuga, I can see how the late-stage changes that a new team is bound to implement... I mean, they had to hit the ground and immediately come out swinging, not unlike young Akira in this episode. That's tough to do! Akira's a hard bar to clear! Replacing another creative team two-thirds of the way through a season is bound to be a bumpy ride. I am not surprised that it proved too bumpy for some.
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10-26-2020, 01:23 AM | #432 |
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In 1991, Toei began airing Chojin Sentai Jetman, the 13th (later adjusted to 15th) show in the Super Sentai series. It would go on to be one of the most widely loved and praised shows in the entire franchise, with older fans of the show praising its darker and more serious tone. The show's head writer was Toshiki Inoue and its breakout character was Gai Yuuki, aka Black Condor. Gai was the team's rebel, an arrogant and brash womanizer who often butted heads with the team's leader, Ryu, and made aggressive advances on one of his female teammates, Kaori. I've always considered Gai to be the origin of one of Inoue's core concepts: great storytelling arises from interpersonal drama and a show needs a character to create that drama.
Inoue's work is replete with characters whose primary function is to be an "ally," in the loosest sense of the term, but to also be an ongoing source of antagonism. Agito had Houjou. Faiz had the peak example of this in Kusaka. And within three minutes of taking over the show, Hibiki gains Kiriya. Kiriya isn't a gaslighting sociopath on par with Kusaka, but he fills very much the same role in the show's cast: he is a force of disruption. I've talked several times now about how much I love the cohesiveness of Hibiki's cast. These characters are all friends; they care for and support each other. The entire theme of the show is the positive effect that they have on Asumu and his development into an adult. Kiriya shows up and throws a live grenade right into the middle of all that. He's a liar, a manipulator, and someone whose primary motivation seems to be centered around constantly making Asumu feel bad about himself. He's a character that never would have fit into the original show and he is the number one thing that I hate about this era of the series. I know your stance on spoilers, but I'm not surprised if you haven't guessed this part already: Kiriya isn't going away. He's here for the rest of the show and I'll leave it to you to decide if you think he ever gets better. (I'll also point out here that I am not alone in this opinion. Kiriya is one of the most hated characters in the entirety of Kamen Rider. There were a lot of upset fans when the character's actor, Yuichi Nakamura, came back in a couple years for a role on Den-O. It's very much to Nakamura's credit that this character went on to be well-loved.) So get used to this asshole passive aggressively and aggressive aggressively insulting Asumu, because that's the Asumu portion of the show from here on out. I also hate the new Makamou that appears here, but I'll save that rant for tomorrow. I'll just leave you with this for now: Hibiki doesn't change completely right away. Some of the dismantling of the show's identity plays out more gradually. It will happen, though. |
10-26-2020, 01:48 AM | #433 |
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Kiriya is IMO the least likable character in the franchise because I can not see how in ANY Way shape or form you can argue he's a likable character and 90% of the second halfs problems can be traced back to him (the thing is Kusaka from Faiz or Micchy from Gaim after the 1st third Banno from Drive or Masarume from Ex-Aid you aren't SUPPOSED TO like or at least the later 3 since Faiz can't make up it's mind on what it wants half the cast to be half the goddamn time) (SPOILERS FOR GAIM TBF Micchy is like Kusaka where it's his own compulsive selfish desire to be a hero as well as jealousy that make him be evil and it ACTUALLY WORKS since the writers knew what they wanted to do unlike Kusaka and we see EVERYTHING He tried do go HORRIBLY Wrong and he actually becomes a hero again at the 11th hour seeing it as the only way he can atone for everything he did ) like all those characters I mentioned you are NOT Supposed to like Kiriya you are
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10-26-2020, 01:54 AM | #434 |
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Yeah, what's here is obviously Different, but I don't think it's bad? If the other version of the show was a nice walk through the park, this is a bit more like a street festival. You're still outside, you're still having a good time, but everything's just a bit More now.
This was a really pleasant surprise, for the first Inoue episode! |
10-26-2020, 01:57 AM | #435 |
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to quote something I said in the Blade thread
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yeah literally almost EVERY CHANGE Made in Hibiki's second half is for the worst unlike in Blade not sure how spoilerlythis is I'm not saying oh X character does this or specific details but you can probably figure out what or who I'm referring too as we go in Hibiki. nteresting/likable characters get pushed to the side in favor of probably the WORST character in the entire franchise (moreso than Kusaka)an increased emphasis on toys/power up gimmicks A SHIT LOAD Of retcons/asspulls and unlike here where the staff of the second half did a good enough of a job to not make it obvious this wasn't planned from the start if it wasn't you can tell none of this was planned, At a point in the middle the shows pacing reaches a screeching halt and a bunch of new characters/ideas that weren't really established get introduced the shows pacing also changes from slower to faster after it but so much is happening to the point where your like wtf is happening.Doesn't help I am not a fan of pretty much anything the guy they brought in did after the 90ies, it feels like he does the same few tropes that people liked in his most popular show every goddamn show he writes (do you consider who it is a spoiler)
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10-26-2020, 02:07 AM | #436 |
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In 1991, Toei began airing Chojin Sentai Jetman, the 13th (later adjusted to 15th) show in the Super Sentai series. It would go on to be one of the most widely loved and praised shows in the entire franchise, with older fans of the show praising its darker and more serious tone. The show's head writer was Toshiki Inoue and its breakout character was Gai Yuuki, aka Black Condor. Gai was the team's rebel, an arrogant and brash womanizer who often butted heads with the team's leader, Ryu, and made aggressive advances on one of his female teammates, Kaori. I've always considered Gai to be the origin of one of Inoue's core concepts: great storytelling arises from interpersonal drama and a show needs a character to create that drama.
Inoue's work is replete with characters whose primary function is to be an "ally," in the loosest sense of the term, but to also be an ongoing source of antagonism. Agito had Houjou. Faiz had the peak example of this in Kusaka. And within three minutes of taking over the show, Hibiki gains Kiriya. Kiriya isn't a gaslighting sociopath on par with Kusaka, but he fills very much the same role in the show's cast: he is a force of disruption. I've talked several times now about how much I love the cohesiveness of Hibiki's cast. These characters are all friends; they care for and support each other. The entire theme of the show is the positive effect that they have on Asumu and his development into an adult. Kiriya shows up and throws a live grenade right into the middle of all that. He's a liar, a manipulator, and someone whose primary motivation seems to be centered around constantly making Asumu feel bad about himself. He's a character that never would have fit into the original show and he is the number one thing that I hate about this era of the series. I know your stance on spoilers, but I'm not surprised if you haven't guessed this part already: Kiriya isn't going away. He's here for the rest of the show and I'll leave it to you to decide if you think he ever gets better. (I'll also point out here that I am not alone in this opinion. Kiriya is one of the most hated characters in the entirety of Kamen Rider. There were a lot of upset fans when the character's actor, Yuichi Nakamura, came back in a couple years for a role on Den-O. It's very much to Nakamura's credit that this character went on to be well-loved.) So get used to this asshole passive aggressively and aggressive aggressively insulting Asumu, because that's the Asumu portion of the show from here on out. I also hate the new Makamou that appears here, but I'll save that rant for tomorrow. I'll just leave you with this for now: Hibiki doesn't change completely right away. Some of the dismantling of the show's identity plays out more gradually. It will happen, though. |
10-26-2020, 03:51 AM | #437 |
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Yeah, you basically summed up a lot of my opinions on these episodes. I myself can’t bring myself to hate Kiriya, mostly because I love just how blunt he is compared to everybody else, which makes him feel actually refreshing. And I particularly love the scene where he calls out the English teacher on his bad pronunciation, since that basically establishes that while he may be a jerk, he’s a jerk with a good reason: he thinks other people are flawed and see himself as the saviour (plus it’s reminiscent of the last time Inoue wrote a dedicated school scene in a classroom, with a kid upstaging the teacher. He must’ve had some issues as a kid).
And the new monster. Annoying noise aside, I love that it’s an active threat, as opposed to a passive one. And as if to show that the Kuuga guy is no longer steering the ship, his method of killing is totally imitation-free (what part of setting yourself on fire and jumping at people’s throats can be tried at home?) and yet it manages to be terrifying. And my song lyrics for next time: I am the god of hellfire. And I bring you: Fire! I need you to burn. Fire! I need you to learn. - The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Fire. |
10-26-2020, 06:08 AM | #438 |
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The one thing I'll say is that more than Kiriya, I think the thing that most memorably sticks out to me that states "Inoue is here now" is by taking the show that was very low-key and laidback and had all its fights in natural forest-y areas... and then throwing a screaming burning dog wheel at a businessman.
I remember very distinctly wondering if I wouldn't notice the change in creative team, if maybe it was much more subtle how it changed and if people were overblowing it; but then the first few seconds of the episode had that and I was like "Oh. Hi Inoue."
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10-26-2020, 09:40 AM | #439 |
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I do get what you're saying, though. As someone who felt like Agito took a minute to stop feeling like The New Season Of Kuuga, I can see how the late-stage changes that a new team is bound to implement... I mean, they had to hit the ground and immediately come out swinging, not unlike young Akira in this episode. That's tough to do! Akira's a hard bar to clear! Replacing another creative team two-thirds of the way through a season is bound to be a bumpy ride. I am not surprised that it proved too bumpy for some.
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(I'll also point out here that I am not alone in this opinion. Kiriya is one of the most hated characters in the entirety of Kamen Rider. There were a lot of upset fans when the character's actor, Yuichi Nakamura, came back in a couple years for a role on Den-O. It's very much to Nakamura's credit that this character went on to be well-loved.)
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Yeah, you basically summed up a lot of my opinions on these episodes. I myself can’t bring myself to hate Kiriya, mostly because I love just how blunt he is compared to everybody else, which makes him feel actually refreshing. And I particularly love the scene where he calls out the English teacher on his bad pronunciation, since that basically establishes that while he may be a jerk, he’s a jerk with a good reason: he thinks other people are flawed and see himself as the saviour (plus it’s reminiscent of the last time Inoue wrote a dedicated school scene in a classroom, with a kid upstaging the teacher. He must’ve had some issues as a kid).
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