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09-25-2020, 05:28 PM | #31 |
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remember when takumi had that musical dream hibiki is just a faiz rip-off and you know it Quote:
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Also, man, some real methodical structure to this episode. It's always clear how and why people are doing what they're doing.
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09-25-2020, 05:32 PM | #32 |
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Funnily enough, I feel like Hibiki is a great superhero deconstruction in a way very much opposite yet equal to Kuuga! But... we’re still at episode 1, so I really don’t wanna talk much about it, haha.
I’m just very glad to see everyone pulling Kuuga comparisons. I’m not crazy, I’m not the only one who sees it! I've always seen Hibiki as comparable to Kuuga on some level, though. The uniquely auteur style of them was obvious long before I even knew the auteur in question was the same guy for both shows.
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09-25-2020, 07:00 PM | #33 |
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Thing is Takatera really pushed for a non-rider show because he had this idea of revitalizing non-rider titles by Ishinomori to create a MCU-esque Toei Hero World. and Henshin Ninja Arashi reboot was the first thing he had in mind. The reason he thought Arashi would be fine for a reboot was because he thought playing with altitude in terms of filming would enhance the quality of action scenes(the NTT Docomo commercial where the boyband SMAP was being Gatchaman seemed to have left an impression on him), and he wanted to ditch the armor look that riders have been going for and have a more smoother design. He got the approval in April to do a non-rider show.
But hearing that Justiriser will most likely be a ninja-themed show at the time they dropped the idea of a ninja hero and thought about going for a magical-themed rider at one point. Of course, then they got wind of Magiranger during pre-pro and dropped that too. Fun fact, they were planning to film the opening clip in New Zealand like Magiranger because they had this rough idea of heroes gathering from around the globe. Around June, Bandai felt that with shows such as the Choseishin series and Ryukendo appearing, it would be dangerous to not continue the Kamen Rider franchise, and so the plan switched back to being a rider show, only this time they aimed it to be a non-conventional one. While looking for a new motif for this new show, they wanted to incorporate the idea from Arashi that he is a hero with ties to evil powers and settled on onis as the new motif. Around that time, Takatera was inspired by a taiko drum performance and added that to the mix which is why Hibiki's build is rather muscular. They later had ideas of sci-fi elements being incorporated and the onis originating from the same source as the monsters of the show, but Takatera finalized the villains being natural-occuring yokais, ergo the makamous and the riders as those who have the look of a oni but have no relations to the monsters of the show around August. FYI, here is the SMAP Gatchaman commercial I mentioned for NTT Docomo, which is a Japanese telecommunications company
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09-25-2020, 07:22 PM | #34 |
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Thing is Takatera really pushed for a non-rider show because he had this idea of revitalizing non-rider titles by Ishinomori to create a MCU-esque Toei Hero World. and Henshin Ninja Arashi reboot was the first thing he had in mind. The reason he thought Arashi would be fine for a reboot was because he thought playing with altitude in terms of filming would enhance the quality of action scenes(the NTT Docomo commercial where the boyband SMAP was being Gatchaman seemed to have left an impression on him), and he wanted to ditch the armor look that riders have been going for and have a more smoother design. He got the approval in April to do a non-rider show.
But hearing that Justiriser will most likely be a ninja-themed show at the time they dropped the idea of a ninja hero and thought about going for a magical-themed rider at one point. Of course, then they got wind of Magiranger during pre-pro and dropped that too. Fun fact, they were planning to film the opening clip in New Zealand like Magiranger because they had this rough idea of heroes gathering from around the globe. Around June, Bandai felt that with shows such as the Choseishin series and Ryukendo appearing, it would be dangerous to not continue the Kamen Rider franchise, and so the plan switched back to being a rider show, only this time they aimed it to be a non-conventional one. While looking for a new motif for this new show, they wanted to incorporate the idea from Arashi that he is a hero with ties to evil powers and settled on onis as the new motif. Around that time, Takatera was inspired by a taiko drum performance and added that to the mix which is why Hibiki's build is rather muscular. They later had ideas of sci-fi elements being incorporated and the onis originating from the same source as the monsters of the show, but Takatera finalized the villains being natural-occuring yokais, ergo the makamous and the riders as those who have the look of a oni but have no relations to the monsters of the show around August. FYI, here is the SMAP Gatchaman commercial I mentioned for NTT Docomo, which is a Japanese telecommunications company |
09-25-2020, 08:06 PM | #35 |
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I love the idea that Bandai felt actively threatened by Ryukendo.
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09-25-2020, 08:30 PM | #36 |
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That's pretty neat! Thanks!
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09-25-2020, 09:06 PM | #37 |
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Funny thing is seems like Ryukendo was in the works since 2002 and design phase was in 2003. So I guess even if it was not finalized as Ryukendo yet, Bandai and folks must have caught word on the street rumors about then Takara prepping a toku hero show I guess? But knowing that Ryukendo apparently was supposed to start airing in April 2005 and was filmed during 2005 must mean that they were prepping the show while they were prepping Hibiki. And yes, it seems that Ryukendo filmed for all of 2005 but aired later on 2006 January due to reasons. So they probably did not know every detail, but I assume they decided to consider every possible scenario of this Takara-made hero doing better.
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09-25-2020, 09:48 PM | #38 |
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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 2 - "HOWLING SPIDER"
"So here's a song about nothing and everything at once Oh the minutes and the months The feedback and the drums Oh the feeling noise becomes Everything at once" -Superchunk, "Everything At Once" This one... I mean, not a lot in this one, plot-wise, but a great episode, character-wise. Plot-wise, there's a monster, Hibiki finds it, and kills it. Asumu is there to chase Hibiki around and gawk at the superheroic action, but he doesn't really do much. No one else really gets much of a look in. (There's another call back to the temple, which we'll get to in a minute, but it doesn't have a ton of bearing on the plot outside a little piece of exposition.) There isn't... I can't really think of any big reveals or key pieces of info. (Hibiki is a Kamen Rider! Also named Hibiki, one would assume!) It's a solid, if unexceptional episode of superheroic action. The monster fight is sort-of dull (White Spider gets eaten by the Spider House, which executes a sort-of cheesy CGI chase against Hibiki for the action component of the episode), and it's mostly characters walking around or eating. But, holy hell, I'm okay with it if it's this well-done. Another gorgeous episode, naturally. It's a continuation of the premiere, so we're still on that lush mountain with its rolling mist. The cinematography and editing are still pitch-perfect, with another rapid-fire series of cuts when Hibiki calls back to the temple for a little bit of exposition. (The Spiders are/were making a baby Spider House. Some nice symmetry to the Hibiki/Asumu storyline, there, with an older generation trying to protect a younger generation.) It's just an expertly designed episode of relaxing television, give or take a CGI chase that bites off more than it can chew. (A frequent Early Part Of The Season problem in this franchise.) But, y'know, it's all in service of characters worth spending time with, so it's not just showing off. It's great to see how easily Hibiki fits in with Asumu's family. Even the most outgoing Riders have this... distance, I guess, from people. Ways that their kindness is so pure that it's hard for them to just hang out with strangers, crack jokes and relax. Here, Hibiki is instantly a part of the group, ingratiating himself with an ease that's hard not to love. He's from the same neighborhood that Asumu's from, knows what school he goes to, knows how many bus stops away things are from each other. He feels like an old friend after only being around for a day. Which is necessary, because you need to believe that not only is it reasonable for Asumu to be crawling all over a mountain looking for Hibiki, but that Asumu's mom would support it. But she does, which is a very sweet touch. I love these little ways you get to see how adventurous his family is. His cousin wasn't some weird outlier, someone who's up for some mischief when no one's looking. It seems like his whole family is cool with following their gut and seeing where it takes them. Trusting your instincts... that seems like a big part of this episode? Hibiki and Asumu have that (beautifully shot) conversation at the shore, where Hibiki tells Asumu that the first step to being yourself is believing in yourself. It's a solid message, something where you can't really follow your instincts until you acknowledge that your instincts have value. But it also feeds into the larger themes of the power of music, and how music is a way of expressing your dreams. It... I mean, we're only on the second episode, it's a little early to be talking about the themes of the show. But, like, one of them has to be The Power Of Music or what are we even doing here. (Hibiki literally defeats the monster with drumming!) Music is the way this show is communicating, more than images or dialogue. There's all of the orchestral score that choreographs the fights, or how the upbeat tempo of the search for Hibiki lets you know that this is a sequence to find joy in. (Even the bits of plot rhyme like lyrics, like when Hibiki has to save another boy from a potentially deadly fall.) Music is communication, it's a way to get at something that you can't explain any other way. It bypasses language in favor of something more primal and universal. But that primal nature of music, it's also a way to fight, to argue for your right to exist. To scream and declare yourself important, valid, worthy. Asumu needs to see someone harness music to save lives, to keep the world safe. Of course Hibiki defeats a monster with music. Of course he drums it out of existence. Music is one of the greatest of all human achievements, and I absolutely believe that someone could use it to explode a Spider House. Assuming they're well-trained, of course.
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09-25-2020, 10:43 PM | #39 |
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I don't usually like posting screencaps in these threads because I think it sort of overpowers the modestly sized ones Die uses, but, man, I gotta make an exception here to add on to just how beautiful that conversation between Hibiki and Asumu really is:
Like, you gotta understand, this whole episode is almost nothing but more stuff that was going to get Takatera booted off the show later. Look at how perfectly positioned the sun is on the horizon there! You can't cheat that! They had to go to the shore at the exact right time of day, at the exact right spot, to get the exact right shot, and they did. All for the sake of making the episode look prettier. To let it breathe in the majesty of mother nature so that the show could better establish that unique identity. Utterly fantastic work, even if I have to agree with Die that I definitely would've fired these guys too. As for the music aspect of the show, yeah, that's obviously a pretty central theme. I don't know if I need to explain this to anyone or not, but Hibiki's name is even a sort of pun, reflected in the title of the first episode, which is "hibiku oni" in Japanese. I'm going to do a terrible job elaborating here, so forgive me for trying to sound smart, but basically, hibiki (響き) is a totally ordinary word that, broadly speaking, means "sound". The "ki" is written in hiragana, entirely phonetic characters that are used as suffixes to kanji to dictate their inflection; hibiku (響く) is a verb, for example. Kamen Rider Hibiki instead uses the kanji for oni at the end, which is read as "ki" in compound words, resulting in 響鬼, which is pronounced identically, but now literally means "sound demon", which definitely tells you everything you need to know about the series. Other Riders in the show (spoilers?) will be following this same trend. Or something like that! Hopefully that explanation was easy enough to follow and also not too frustrating for people who know languages way better than me. The point is, sound is baked so deeply into this show, it's in the very name. Plus, whenever I get to talk about why Toshihiko Sahashi is my favorite Rider composer, I get to mention that he's the guy they went to for the show literally about music, which is always fun!
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09-25-2020, 10:52 PM | #40 |
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But, man. Man! It's glorious. It'd be distracting, how pretty this episode was, if there were anything to be distracted from. I'm starting to see why you didn't remember many details of this series!
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