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05-02-2014, 04:38 PM | #11 |
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Seriously, what the hell? A movie featuring the Avengers with a full comic-book roster and the X-Men all on one screen and fighting a big bad is something that people would pay money to see. What kind of reasoning is there for not trying to come to an agreement about this when it's quite probable that a movie like that would make millions, if not BILLIONS, of dollars? |
05-02-2014, 04:41 PM | #12 |
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And yet, Fox and Sony refuse to come to some sort of legal agreement with Marvel Studios to give us the Avengers movie we all want.
Seriously, what the hell? A movie featuring the Avengers with a full comic-book roster and the X-Men all on one screen and fighting a big bad is something that people would pay money to see. What kind of reasoning is there for not trying to come to an agreement about this when it's quite probable that a movie like that would make millions, if not BILLIONS, of dollars? It's a shame that the deal to put Oscorp Tower in the Avengers never went through, it would have been a nice starting point for company interaction. |
05-02-2014, 05:21 PM | #13 |
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Also we all know critics can be bribed and let's face it Disney has the money to burn. If they want to remain a movie powerhouse they will do so since the public consensus is that people remember movies more than any other form of media; even if said movies tend to be crap. It's how things are these days. As long as people are being told that these movies are good (and to be fair they do tend to be enjoyable) they will print money for Marvel and Disney. 'Nuff said. |
05-02-2014, 07:21 PM | #14 |
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And yet, Fox and Sony refuse to come to some sort of legal agreement with Marvel Studios to give us the Avengers movie we all want.
Seriously, what the hell? A movie featuring the Avengers with a full comic-book roster and the X-Men all on one screen and fighting a big bad is something that people would pay money to see. What kind of reasoning is there for not trying to come to an agreement about this when it's quite probable that a movie like that would make millions, if not BILLIONS, of dollars? Most people don't even know that Disney own marvel or that certain studios own certain bits still. Heck most casual fans will probably stick Batman in the same house. So whilst there's a large number of comic fans, from casual to die hard, that do want it, there's a far larger number that it wouldn't make or break the films for. Sony, for example, then can keep churning out Spideys to cash in. Why make a simple 10 million (just figuratively, I know it'd be a lot more if/when they do) selling them back,when you can churn out 3+ films that can easily make over that on their own? On the other hand a full buy back isn't necessary, but how do you begin to put a price on loaning out a character? If Sony know people want an Avengers with Spidey in it then they're gonna keep raising the price, and let's face it both companies care about the money the most at the end of the day. Sucks, I'd love to see Spider-man having a bit of banter with the rest of the Avengers cast, but oh well =\ |
05-02-2014, 07:24 PM | #15 |
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I need to stop asking these kinds of questions. The answers make me sad more often than not.
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05-02-2014, 07:39 PM | #16 |
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05-02-2014, 07:43 PM | #17 |
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05-03-2014, 12:13 AM | #18 |
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I totally didn't think about Disney lining critics pockets. It all makes sense.
Speaking more seriously though, it's difficult, in my mind, to work out where the lines are drawn between fan appreciation and Mr Joe Average's expectations. Because when I've actually sat down a Avengers Film lover - but not a comics fan - and queried them on why they love the film so much, they told me, "Because look at how many superheroes are in THE SAME FILM!" So perhaps there is more of a market for all this crossover business, than just appealing to a few nerds with comics neatly labeller away in filing cabinets. Personally though, I think Marvel Studios do some of the least interesting things with superheroes overall, so I'm glad Sony and Fox are clinging on to their properties for dear life.
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05-03-2014, 12:41 AM | #19 |
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I totally didn't think about Disney lining critics pockets. It all makes sense.
Speaking more seriously though, it's difficult, in my mind, to work out where the lines are drawn between fan appreciation and Mr Joe Average's expectations. Because when I've actually sat down a Avengers Film lover - but not a comics fan - and queried them on why they love the film so much, they told me, "Because look at how many superheroes are in THE SAME FILM!" So perhaps there is more of a market for all this crossover business, than just appealing to a few nerds with comics neatly labeller away in filing cabinets. Personally though, I think Marvel Studios do some of the least interesting things with superheroes overall, so I'm glad Sony and Fox are clinging on to their properties for dear life. I think the reason why critics don't like ASM 2 is because they didn't like the first one. I was watching a movie critic talk about amazing spiderman in one of his random videoes and he outright called ASM 2 trash, months before the movie came out, without even seeing the film, just due to how bad he illogical he thought the first one was. I don't necessarily know why Marvel has this low amount of criticism, as their movies are weaved together a lot tighter, both in movie universe and story, causing more potential problems from critics to occur. But somehow, they just don't. Last edited by Powerman293; 05-03-2014 at 12:47 AM.. |
05-03-2014, 09:06 AM | #20 |
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IMO, Marvel Studios is riding the George Lucas wave. They basically flipped the bird to the movie industry and made the movies the way they wanted to, like Lucas with the first Star Wars trilogy. That is where a lot of the critical leniency is coming from. However, I think that the shine will eventually fade, and I think Guardians could be that first miss.
Comparing ASM with Cap was something I did, and I personally enjoyed Cap more. Now there is personal bias due to Winter Soldier being a personal favorite, but I thought the movie had a better pace to it. ASM felt too long, and there were moments in the theater where I was checking my watch to see the time. I think the movie would have been tighter if they had just cut out the parts with Peter's parents, which would have also given more time to Electro and Osborne. As for Fox and Sony, it doesn't make any sense as to why they don't swallow their pride and cooperates with Marvel Studios/Disney. Unless I'm missing something, they are already licensing the properties, so Marvel is still getting a cut. They don't even need to do crossover movies every year, but just that connected universe where Iron Man or Cap could be in Spiderman 3 would bring in even more money. The issues are already becoming apparent since the new X-Men movie will have Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch and they are going to be using them leading into Avengers 2.
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