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10-21-2015, 06:53 PM | #2581 |
Tokusatsu Hero
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I don't see it as an issue either. But you have those idiots that think characters, or titles, should remain the same. I don't agree. I was very excited about Miles Morales as Spiderman. Other people I knew were furious.
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10-21-2015, 06:56 PM | #2582 |
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It was because he cut himself off from the Govt. and Shield, being seen as un-American by some. Which was also brought up in the comic.
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10-21-2015, 10:18 PM | #2583 |
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it's less about Sam Wilson being Cap, everyone I've talked to is fine with that.
I've seen more outrage with with the comic coming off as propaganda, which is sort of but also not really. tbh, I've never liked political stuff in comic in the first place. I want escapism, not a speech.
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10-21-2015, 11:41 PM | #2584 |
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it's less about Sam Wilson being Cap, everyone I've talked to is fine with that.
I've seen more outrage with with the comic coming off as propaganda, which is sort of but also not really. tbh, I've never liked political stuff in comic in the first place. I want escapism, not a speech. I understand it not being suited to your tastes, and that's fine, I totally get that. But it does bring up something I want to point out in general, which is comics have always carried political messages, since the very beginning. Wife Beaters, corrupt politicians and police, business men funding wars for financial gain, drug abuse. Captain America comics in particular had some of the strongest stances, and the comics have always pissed off a lot of people for it. From punching Hitler in the 40s, to dealing with the political turmoil of the U.S. Government. Hell, that famous #1 cover got Kirby and Simon death threats and ton of hate mail. What I'm saying is comics can be fun escapism, and I'm even inclined to say there needs to be more of that nowadays. However they can and do reflect our own world at times, as most art does. Not everything is sunshine and rainbows, and not everything is grim dark. It's important to have mixtures of varying degrees as in reality, and I believe that's where a very strong core of superhero comics lies; a world that parallels our own with its ills, with people and their blind unreasoning fear. But heroes will always be around to fight back, and perhaps even inspire us to do much of the same by opening our eyes. This leads me to the book itself. Captain America is still doing what it always has; pointing out various issues going on in the world and making terrible people(who most likely propagate such issues) angry because of it. |
10-21-2015, 11:43 PM | #2585 |
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that or just make strawman arguments.
Cap hasn't always had the cleanest record for quality. lest we forget that his A doesn't stand for France and his big ol' chest beefers. also, i have a feeling the people hating Sam Wilson as Cap are probably either the same people who hated Bucky as Cap, or don't know that Steve has hung up the costume before.
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10-22-2015, 11:16 AM | #2586 |
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Yeah comics where always full with political stuff or critiques on our society. I mean just look at X-Men.
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10-22-2015, 12:29 PM | #2587 |
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The Xmen though, are an example of a political analogy done right. They're a subtle representation of an issue, but, because there's evil mutants, you also show that they have pros and cons like everyone else.
I can't really get too far into why some of the Sam Wilson storyline can be argued as propaganda, as that could fall under being against forum rules, but I think its fair to say that a lot of times, political analogies in comics nowadays seem to focus less of giving two sides of an issue, and more about saying who is right and who is wrong.
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10-22-2015, 12:29 PM | #2588 |
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that or just make strawman arguments.
Cap hasn't always had the cleanest record for quality. lest we forget that his A doesn't stand for France and his big ol' chest beefers. also, i have a feeling the people hating Sam Wilson as Cap are probably either the same people who hated Bucky as Cap, or don't know that Steve has hung up the costume before.
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10-22-2015, 12:38 PM | #2589 |
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The Xmen though, are an example of a political analogy done right. They're a subtle representation of an issue, but, because there's evil mutants, you also show that they have pros and cons like everyone else.
I can't really get too far into why some of the Sam Wilson storyline can be argued as propaganda, as that could fall under being against forum rules, but I think its fair to say that a lot of times, political analogies in comics nowadays seem to focus less of giving two sides of an issue, and more about saying who is right and who is wrong. And so far the only case he made in the book (and what started the controversy) is killing people is bad. Last edited by ElConvoy; 10-22-2015 at 12:41 PM.. |
10-22-2015, 12:49 PM | #2590 |
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I can't really get too far into why some of the Sam Wilson storyline can be argued as propaganda, as that could fall under being against forum rules, but I think its fair to say that a lot of times, political analogies in comics nowadays seem to focus less of giving two sides of an issue, and more about saying who is right and who is wrong.
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