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Guyver Spawn 01-03-2014 07:40 PM
What if Disney still made Power Rangers shows?
 
So what if Saban never got the rights back to the franchise and Disney still made Power Rangers shows after 2009. Do you think their Power Rangers version of Shinkenger - Gokaiger would be better or wost then what we have now? I think we would not be three years behind adapting Sentai shows since we would be getting a Power Rangers version of Kyoryuger if we didn't stay behind. I think their shows could be better depending who wrote them.

Disney didn't seem to care about the franchise that much seeing that we never saw much marketing for their later shows from what I can remember. With Saban, they made Power Rangers more active and more mainstream again. With Disney, we would not get any of the cool 20th anniversary stuff like the Power Morpher and the Zyuranger S.H figuarts right now. I doubt we would get the MMPR DVD releases from Shout!.

ComicGuy89 01-03-2014 07:45 PM
It's really hard to imagine how Disney's versions would be like because their entire production team would be different. RPM really was meant as a final season and the production team not meant to stay longer than one season.

Sentai 01-03-2014 08:05 PM
Goseiger and Gokaiger would've been two different seasons, seasons wouldn't take two damned years to complete, and Tzachor would still be out of work.

XW1n5t0nX 01-03-2014 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 281281)
Goseiger and Gokaiger would've been two different seasons, seasons wouldn't take two damned years to complete, and Tzachor would still be out of work.
So basically, our wet dream?

Matrixbeast 01-03-2014 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89 (Post 281274)
It's really hard to imagine how Disney's versions would be like because their entire production team would be different. RPM really was meant as a final season and the production team not meant to stay longer than one season.
Well, the current scenario is just a "What if," either a new production team or keeping the same.

Anyway, being real, I don't think Shinkenger could really work at all in the States unless they completely removed the samurai themes (And seeing as how different Go-On to RPM was, it's not impossible), so I'd be curious how they'd handle it.

ComicGuy89 01-03-2014 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 281286)
Well, the current scenario is just a "What if," either a new production team or keeping the same.

Anyway, being real, I don't think Shinkenger could really work at all in the States unless they completely removed the samurai themes (And seeing as how different Go-On to RPM was, it's not impossible), so I'd be curious how they'd handle it.
Well if we're to assume they give as much resources to the production as they did for their previous seasons, and they still want to do Power Rangers, I think:
  • We'll get full seasons, but it will be about 30 episodes or less, continuing the trend of increasingly shorter seasons during the Disney Era
  • The Shinkenger adaptation would either try to work in the Japanese references or craft an entirely different story. Maybe something akin to Amit Bhaumik's proposal would be used. At any rate, I have more faith in Disney pulling it off.
  • The Goseiger adaptation, too, would be a better effort, with more characterization and a better story.
  • The opening theme songs would not be remixes of "Go Go Power Rangers"
  • On the flip side, production values would not be as strong as Saban's. The special effects and cinematography wouldn't be as good. Remember that RPM was still in 4:3 standard definition and for three years since Boukenger went HD, they used visibly squashed Toei footage for many scenes.
  • Power Rangers would likely fade even more into obscurity. It might be placed on less popular channels, and large parts of the world might not have shown it, like here in Australia or New Zealand. Disney would not bother to market it to the level of Saban's and Power Rangers would remain a niche show instead of the blockbuster it is now.

Sentai 01-03-2014 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX (Post 281284)
So basically, our wet dream?
Pretty much.

XW1n5t0nX 01-03-2014 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89 (Post 281294)
Well if we're to assume they give as much resources to the production as they did for their previous seasons, and they still want to do Power Rangers, I think:
  • We'll get full seasons, but it will be about 30 episodes or less, continuing the trend of increasingly shorter seasons during the Disney Era
  • The Shinkenger adaptation would either try to work in the Japanese references or craft an entirely different story. Maybe something akin to Amit Bhaumik's proposal would be used. At any rate, I have more faith in Disney pulling it off.
  • The Goseiger adaptation, too, would be a better effort, with more characterization and a better story.
  • The opening theme songs would not be remixes of "Go Go Power Rangers"
  • On the flip side, production values would not be as strong as Saban's. The special effects and cinematography wouldn't be as good. Remember that RPM was still in 4:3 standard definition and for three years since Boukenger went HD, they used visibly squashed Toei footage for many scenes.
  • Power Rangers would likely fade even more into obscurity. It might be placed on less popular channels, and large parts of the world might not have shown it, like here in Australia or New Zealand. Disney would not bother to market it to the level of Saban's and Power Rangers would remain a niche show instead of the blockbuster it is now.
Read the adaption....why didn't we get this! It would have been freaking awesome!

ComicGuy89 01-03-2014 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX (Post 281297)
Read the adaption....why didn't we get this! It would have been freaking awesome!
It was pretty good, wasn't it? With something like this they could have made it faithful to the Shinkenger story AND still make it culturally and logically coherent.

I think Saban didn't do this because it requires a bit more planning and execution, not to mention a bit more effort in getting the right actors and filming extra scenes.

XW1n5t0nX 01-03-2014 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89 (Post 281299)
It was pretty good, wasn't it? With something like this they could have made it faithful to the Shinkenger story AND still make it culturally and logically coherent.

I think Saban didn't do this because it requires a bit more planning and execution, not to mention a bit more effort in getting the right actors and filming extra scenes.
And probably funds.

Matrixbeast 01-03-2014 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ComicGuy89 (Post 281294)
Well if we're to assume they give as much resources to the production as they did for their previous seasons, and they still want to do Power Rangers, I think:
  • We'll get full seasons, but it will be about 30 episodes or less, continuing the trend of increasingly shorter seasons during the Disney Era
  • The Shinkenger adaptation would either try to work in the Japanese references or craft an entirely different story. Maybe something akin to Amit Bhaumik's proposal would be used. At any rate, I have more faith in Disney pulling it off.
  • The Goseiger adaptation, too, would be a better effort, with more characterization and a better story.
  • The opening theme songs would not be remixes of "Go Go Power Rangers"
  • On the flip side, production values would not be as strong as Saban's. The special effects and cinematography wouldn't be as good. Remember that RPM was still in 4:3 standard definition and for three years since Boukenger went HD, they used visibly squashed Toei footage for many scenes.
  • Power Rangers would likely fade even more into obscurity. It might be placed on less popular channels, and large parts of the world might not have shown it, like here in Australia or New Zealand. Disney would not bother to market it to the level of Saban's and Power Rangers would remain a niche show instead of the blockbuster it is now.
Do you just not believe in having fun with a "What if" concept or something? :lol

Sentai 01-03-2014 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 281302)
Do you just not believe in having fun with a "What if" concept or something? :lol
What if Saban adapted Gekiranger and not Disney? it would've been alot less awesome :lol

Matrixbeast 01-03-2014 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 281303)
What if Saban adapted Gekiranger and not Disney? it would've been alot less awesome :lol
Okay, stop the train real quick, it's time for some real talk.
I didn't like Jungle Fury as much as I might have let on. I didn't like RJ at all, and Theo was terrible. I consider the theme song to be as bad as Mystic Force's, I hated the nerdy chick working the pizza shop, and Jarrod's actor did not look the part. I don't hold it in high regard and I pretty much smiled and nodded when it came to opinions on JF because of peer pressure.
And before anyone says anything, this was all before I watched Gekiranger.

So yeah, gimme Saban's take on Gekiranger (And I'm talking Pre-Wild Force Saban :lol)

uchihabro77 01-03-2014 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 281303)
What if Saban adapted Gekiranger and not Disney? it would've been alot less awesome :lol
Heck yea! You wouldnt have me! (I wonder who came up with the names because I really need to thank that guy:lol)

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 281308)
Okay, stop the train real quick, it's time for some real talk.
I didn't like Jungle Fury as much as I might have let on. I didn't like RJ at all, and Theo was terrible. I consider the theme song to be as bad as Mystic Force's, I hated the nerdy chick working the pizza shop, and Jarrod's actor did not look the part. I don't hold it in high regard and I pretty much smiled and nodded when it came to opinions on JF because of peer pressure.
And before anyone says anything, this was all before I watched Gekiranger.

So yeah, gimme Saban's take on Gekiranger (And I'm talking Pre-Wild Force Saban :lol)
..........Me and Matrix just became enemies.... <_<

Sentai 01-03-2014 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 281308)
Okay, stop the train real quick, it's time for some real talk.
I didn't like Jungle Fury as much as I might have let on. I didn't like RJ at all, and Theo was terrible. I consider the theme song to be as bad as Mystic Force's, I hated the nerdy chick working the pizza shop, and Jarrod's actor did not look the part. I don't hold it in high regard and I pretty much smiled and nodded when it came to opinions on JF because of peer pressure.
And before anyone says anything, this was all before I watched Gekiranger.

So yeah, gimme Saban's take on Gekiranger (And I'm talking Pre-Wild Force Saban :lol)
I respect your right to have an opinion. I just think your opinion is batshit insane :lol

Matrixbeast 01-03-2014 09:10 PM
That's fine. I just thought RJ was a bad character. He did nothing for me. Not much to add beyond that *Shrugs*

ComicGuy89 01-03-2014 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 281302)
Do you just not believe in having fun with a "What if" concept or something? :lol
Haha, I thought that was a What If? Because realistically Disney would not do Power Rangers anymore.

Guyver Spawn 01-04-2014 12:25 AM
I guess their titles for the Power Rangers would be like this (Disney seemed to always have a two worded title):

Shinkenger/Power Rangers Team Samurai
Goseiger/Power Rangers Armament Squad
Gokaiger/Power Rangers Pirate Force
Go-Busters/ Power Rangers Grid-Busters
Kyoryuger/Power Rangers Jurassic Squad
Tokkyuger/Power Rangers Engine Force

Klonoahedgehog 01-04-2014 12:29 AM
Then the show would be pretty damn entertaining but nobody would talk about it due to lack of marketing and Guncannon would have some more freetme.

guncannon109 01-04-2014 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Klonoahedgehog (Post 281429)
Then the show would be pretty damn entertaining but nobody would talk about it due to lack of marketing and Guncannon would have some more freetme.
Wait, what? :lol

Klonoahedgehog 01-04-2014 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by guncannon109 (Post 281431)
Wait, what? :lol
Zord builder?

guncannon109 01-04-2014 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Klonoahedgehog (Post 281433)
Zord builder?
I'm confused, how exactly would the show runners effect zord builder? :eyebrow

GoseiWonder 01-04-2014 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by guncannon109 (Post 281434)
I'm confused, how exactly would the show runners effect zord builder? :eyebrow
PR would be canceled and even if the MMPR 2010 stuff sold well, it probably wouldn't be enough to have Disney adapt Shinkenger.

Ergo, Zord Builder as we know it would never happen.

guncannon109 01-04-2014 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 281437)
PR would be canceled and even if the MMPR 2010 stuff sold well, it probably wouldn't be enough to have Disney adapt Shinkenger.

Ergo, Zord Builder as we know it would never happen.
Oh... I don't I would want to live in that world. :lol

Sentai 01-04-2014 01:27 AM
Okay, I think I know a solution. We want Saban to own it so we still get Zord Builder from BoA, but we want the people who ran Disney's shows to produce the actual shows. So we get less Samurai and more Jungle Fury.

ComicGuy89 01-04-2014 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 281437)
PR would be canceled and even if the MMPR 2010 stuff sold well, it probably wouldn't be enough to have Disney adapt Shinkenger.

Ergo, Zord Builder as we know it would never happen.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 281456)
Okay, I think I know a solution. We want Saban to own it so we still get Zord Builder from BoA, but we want the people who ran Disney's shows to produce the actual shows. So we get less Samurai and more Jungle Fury.
Bandai of America has said they'd continue the toyline even if Disney didn't proceed. The Samurai figures and Megazord were designed before the Saban takeover. That's why the first wave of Samurai figures had those Mega Mode designs and the Samurai Megazord couldn't fold up. They weren't aiming for show accuracy initially.

NYTF 2010: Bandai America - Power Rangers Interview:

Quote:
If you've read this far, I have a special treat for you. When talking to the Bandai reps about the future line, they said that the plan is to move back to the Japanese series, starting with Shinkenger, probably in 2012.
And since the Zord Builder line started with the Reversioned MMPR, it's not reliant on Saban. While BoA's success with Power Rangers without Disney is debatable, I do believe they could have squeezed a few more lines from them at the very least.

Matrixbeast 01-04-2014 02:10 AM
Wait, why are people talking about toys?
Saban and Disney doesn't handle the toys. They never handled the toys. The toys were always Bandai's thing...

ComicGuy89 01-04-2014 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 281478)
Wait, why are people talking about toys?
Saban and Disney doesn't handle the toys. They never handled the toys. The toys were always Bandai's thing...
Oh the discussion was on the assumption that if Disney still had Power Rangers, the show might eventually be canceled meaning no toys from BoA.

uchihabro77 01-04-2014 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 281314)
I respect your right to have an opinion. I just think your opinion is batshit insane :lol
I have to agree with Sentai here. That is the craziest thing Ive ever heard...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 281318)
That's fine. I just thought RJ was a bad character. He did nothing for me. Not much to add beyond that *Shrugs*
...Im walkin away now...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 281456)
Okay, I think I know a solution. We want Saban to own it so we still get Zord Builder from BoA, but we want the people who ran Disney's shows to produce the actual shows. So we get less Samurai and more Jungle Fury.
I love this idea! Jungle Fury forever!!!

Locke 01-04-2014 02:37 AM
If Disney had the reigns, we'd be better off than we are now. As much as they claimed to not give a rats ass about the franchise, the sheer quantity of money they seemed to throw at their seasons said otherwise. Even the shows which ran almost beat for beat along the path of the sentai they adapted from had entirely unique characters, and enough unique fight footage to make a new show of their own.

How is any of that worse than Saban still doing EXACTLY what he did in the 90s, complete with pisspoor acting, non existent story and editing that was done by someone with a pair of scissors and a lamp?

Kamen Rider Lucha 01-23-2014 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 281490)
If Disney had the reigns, we'd be better off than we are now. As much as they claimed to not give a rats ass about the franchise, the sheer quantity of money they seemed to throw at their seasons said otherwise. Even the shows which ran almost beat for beat along the path of the sentai they adapted from had entirely unique characters, and enough unique fight footage to make a new show of their own.

How is any of that worse than Saban still doing EXACTLY what he did in the 90s, complete with pisspoor acting, non existent story and editing that was done by someone with a pair of scissors and a lamp?
I agree. I think Disney, as a company, has more of this thing called integrity. It's a concept Saban has never heard of.

Disney has a pretty high bar, as far as quality is concerned. When you watch a Disney production, you're going in with a brand guarantee that it's going to be pretty decent. That mandate for higher quality was immediately felt in Power Rangers. Across the board, Disney paid for better talent. Better actors, better writers, better directors, better producers. And, like they've done with Marvel Comics, Disney avoided micromanagement. That allowed the Power Rangers creative teams more room to explore ideas they actually believed in and to take greater creative risks. You can see what kind of difference that makes on screen.

Saban has proven time and time again that they actively disdain their target audience. They eliminate complexity because they think kids are stupid; they think they can skimp on storytelling because kids won't notice. I don't think that's a criticism that could ever be applied to Disney.

Yellow Ranger 01-23-2014 07:47 PM
Ah I still remember when Disney was Satan to PR fans.:lol

ComicGuy89 01-23-2014 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha (Post 293298)
I agree. I think Disney, as a company, has more of this thing called integrity. It's a concept Saban has never heard of.

Disney has a pretty high bar, as far as quality is concerned. When you watch a Disney production, you're going in with a brand guarantee that it's going to be pretty decent. That mandate for higher quality was immediately felt in Power Rangers. Across the board, Disney paid for better talent. Better actors, better writers, better directors, better producers. And, like they've done with Marvel Comics, Disney avoided micromanagement. That allowed the Power Rangers creative teams more room to explore ideas they actually believed in and to take greater creative risks. You can see what kind of difference that makes on screen.

Saban has proven time and time again that they actively disdain their target audience. They eliminate complexity because they think kids are stupid; they think they can skimp on storytelling because kids won't notice. I don't think that's a criticism that could ever be applied to Disney.
I really don't know why Saban is this way. They were cheap before but back then they were also extremely creative, from MMPR all the way to Lost Galaxy. The adaptations were completely different from their source material, and they were adventurous in setting, stories and ideas.

GoseiWonder 01-23-2014 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Yellow Ranger (Post 293303)
Ah I still remember when Disney was Satan to PR fans.:lol
Well, Disney had stupid distracting stuff in Ninja Storm, relentless teasing in Dino Thunder, Kalishsplosions throughout the post DT run, "Nick the Fire Wizard and these 4 others that no one cares about," Norg, Norg, Norg, Family Guy Season 8 manifested in a living form, Norg, Norg, the Jar Jar Binks of Power Rangers, Norg, Satan's pubic hair, Norg, Norg, and the ever godless Norg, a debatably crappy tacked-on "anniversary" team up, a lack of police/wizard teamups, stupid names for the Masters in Jungle Fury (sans Finn, Guin and Mao) and terrible advertising and airtime slots for RPM.

But that's ALL forgivable considering what Megaforce is like.

Except Norg. He cannot and should not receive forgiveness.

TokuChris 01-23-2014 09:50 PM
I'd say the failures of Samurai/Super Samurai/Megaforce have more to do with the executive producer (Jonathon Tzachor) than anything else. He's the one who dictates the direction of the season, which with Samurai, was copy/paste in to Google Translate, and in Megaforce has been "MORE CIVILIAN FIGHTS THAN SAMURAI!" which equals 3 in Megaforce, as Samurai only had like 3 total between Samurai and Super Samurai.

SPLIT LIP 01-23-2014 10:28 PM
The fuck is a Norg?

XW1n5t0nX 01-23-2014 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89 (Post 293308)
I really don't know why Saban is this way. They were cheap before but back then they were also extremely creative, from MMPR all the way to Lost Galaxy. The adaptations were completely different from their source material, and they were adventurous in setting, stories and ideas.
And even when they stuck to the Sentai like Lightspeed Rescue and Timeforce did, they made it work fantastically. Same goes with Wild Force (yes I'm counting it as a Saban).

GoseiWonder 01-23-2014 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 293425)
The fuck is a Norg?
Oh you lucky, lucky bastard. :p

But if you MUST know...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6mZWAKh0CVY

Do NOT click it if you aren't ready for your senses to be sodomized by the worst thing in PR.

XW1n5t0nX 01-23-2014 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 293443)
Oh you lucky, lucky bastard. :p

But if you MUST know...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6mZWAKh0CVY

Do NOT click it if you aren't ready for your senses to be sodomized by the worst thing in PR.
I'd rather watch that then Julian Sands partaking in ratsurbation. But just barely.

Yellow Ranger 01-23-2014 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GoseiWonder (Post 293314)
Well, Disney had stupid distracting stuff in Ninja Storm, relentless teasing in Dino Thunder, Kalishsplosions throughout the post DT run, "Nick the Fire Wizard and these 4 others that no one cares about," Norg, Norg, Norg, Family Guy Season 8 manifested in a living form, Norg, Norg, the Jar Jar Binks of Power Rangers, Norg, Satan's pubic hair, Norg, Norg, and the ever godless Norg, a debatably crappy tacked-on "anniversary" team up, a lack of police/wizard teamups, stupid names for the Masters in Jungle Fury (sans Finn, Guin and Mao) and terrible advertising and airtime slots for RPM.

But that's ALL forgivable considering what Megaforce is like.

Except Norg. He cannot and should not receive forgiveness.
Honestly my only gripe about OAR is Adam taking the spot a WF Ranger should have gotten.*Don't get me wrong Adam's my 3rd fave Ranger but OAR was supposed to be a Disney season anniversary*


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