Is AbareKiller really a 6th Sentai Ranger
 

What are your opinions, whether you agree or not about AbareKiller being a 6th Sentai Ranger?

he's "6th ranger" in a sense that he's an addition to the core 4 as a trope he's a 6th ranger indeed.

But we can also argue that in gekiranger, gekiviolet and geki chopper is the "6th ranger" as both of them comes later on in the series unlike asuka who's there in since the first episode but only gains his ranger power a bit later on.

This is why they should get rid of the name sixth ranger. It should be called something else. In cases like AbareKiller, GekiViolet, and GekiChopper you just don't know what to call them.

I just go by who ever was on gold mode silver chest is "6th" ranger of said season. I don't remember seeing violet or chopper on there

He is the "sixth ranger" of Abaranger, but Toei does not actually consider him to be a sixth ranger.

How so? Gokaiger sure did.

I was thinking exact same thing say toei does not class him as sixth mean toei would not put him on gokai silver gold mode chest that toei do count him as a sixth it's violet and chopper they don't class as sixth.

It's not just him being on the chest, it's the fact he also was the one that gave Gai the Cellular.

Geki Violet and Chopper aren't part of the shingitai triangle, and they were added to the team in the mid to late 20s, so they both count as "sixths". Hell, story wise, Ken was supposed to be the fourth to join the team, Gou was just a happy coincidence. For all intents and purposes, they both fulfill that niche. Toei just seems like they count all 5 as the main team because... I dunno?

This whole issue can be explained away with one simple over looked inclusion. In Abarenger they had an unofficial fifth ranger in the form of Abara Pink that was never included in the adaptation of Dino Thunder who showed up way before Killer as a comic relief character. With Pink that brings the total Abarengers (which is taken into account in Gokaiger) to six. The reason why Chopper is widely counted as five instead of six is the simple fact that Gekiranger only ever had five members and not the unofficial extra that Abarenger did.

Killer first appeared in episode 18, Abare Pink's episode was 38.
So no.

Oh... *googles* my mistake, sorry. :o

Gekiranger's comparison doesn't really count. Gekiranger is much like Liveman and Go-Onger, with a core team of 5 that just happened to have 2 of it's members appear latter.
For Abaranger, Killer is most definitely the 6th. It's really rather hard to say, but for 6th rangers like AbareKiller, it's just a case of "You know it when you see it." As poor as it is to describe it as, that's really the only way proper, since I know no one felt AbareBlack (Who morphed at, what, episode 5?) was Abaranger's "6th" ranger.

He fills out the role of the sixth despite there being 5 Abarangers.

It's about narrative role really. AbareKiller isn't a 6th by number but fits the role that a sixth ranger plays and has the usual characteristics (turns up a good while later but sticks around persistently, slightly different aesthetic, etc). Geki is a strange case though.

Geki's "Sixths" are Rio and Mele, yet they're in the Extra Hero category.

I wouldn't have said Rio and Mele fit the usual criteria for sixths personally. Extra makes more sense for them.

Extra heroes aren't really 6ths, though. They're just as described on the box. They're just extra heroes to the team. Usually the classification is that they're not really rangers to begin with. The only ones in a grey area are GoseiKnight (A header who is classified as a 6th, despite not transforming into a ranger) and Rio (Who I just assume they didn't want to separate from Mele, how cute~).

Well, if you look at Dekaranger, Dekamaster appeared before Dekabreak and Break is the '6th' ranger, yet Dekamaster is considered an Auxillary, maybe thats the way it should be, extra ranger and auxillary, extra joins the team occassionally but sometimes drops in and out from the main team but an Auxillary generally is on the sidelines unless they're really needed

Well, yeah. They do that.
They're officially classified as Extra Heroes (Signalman, Rio, Mele, Black Knight, Zubann, Gunmazin, etc etc) and Additional Rangers (The other 4 Dekarangers, the other 4 Kyoryugers Princess ShinkenRed, etc etc)

Toei sure has their way with classification don't they? I feel like future Sentai series might repeat this same hiccup xD

Well, they seem to have things on track. They cleared up a few grey areas thanks to Gokai and made the classifications rather clear.
So unless we get another Black Knight, I don't think there will be another hiccup.
...I hope.

What about Kyoryuger's other rangers besides the core 7?

Kyoryu doesn't have a core 7.
Violet, Grey, Cyan, and Silver are all considered Additional Rangers, which is just how it sounds.

I would say that AbareKiller is the sixth. He had a mech that could form it's own gattai. That is pretty common among sixth rangers.

His overall demeanor is very much that of most sixth's.

Yes, but I wouldn't just say so because of Gokaiger. That wasn't an attempt to officially categorise everyone, just an anniversary series that pigeon holed characters into specific slots for the purposes of storytelling and convenience.

Otherwise you can use the same "official" categories to claim that KuwagaRaiger is a pink ranger.

No you couldn't. That's just being faecitious for the sake of it.

He was included in the lists with the pink keys and Aihm was typically the one to transform into him. My point was that too many people are over analysing Gokaiger, when everyone was just thrown into categories by the makers of that show for convenience, it wasn't meant as the word of god.

Kuwaga isn't pink, TimeFire isn't black and the only reason I can see why you'd count Abare Killer, but not Geki Wolf or Chopper is because there were two of them and they didn't want two characters from the same show (the Go-On Wings were basically treated as one and they did a whole thing with that, which wouldn't really have worked for Geki).

Some were thrown into categories. But I don't think anyone's going to look at Kuwaga and think "Oh he's a pink ranger" rather than "well he's there since Hurricaneger didn't have pink or (standard) green rangers". That's just common sense.

With the exception of including Gosei Knight (and even then I would say there's basis for argument) and maybe the exclusion of Geki Chopper/Violet, Gokaiger's list of sixths was pretty solid. Abarekiller ticks pretty much all of the boxes one would come to expect of a "sixth" ranger, and the show recognised that so I hardly see it as a reason not to take stock in it.

And let's not forget, the term tsuika senshi tends to be used for heroes we primarily dub sixth ranger which literally translates to additional warrior, while those such as Ninjaman, Signalman and Black Knight Hyuga, Magi Mother are categorized as bangai senshi(extra/spin-off warrior) according to those end snippets from Boukenger.
Kyoryuger is quite the exception but if I had to categorize I would say Gold is the tsuika senshi while Cyan, Grey, Violet, and Silver are bangai.

Cyan, Grey, Violet, and Silver are merely additional rangers. Bangai heroes are distinct in their specific non ranger qualities.

True. I guess it means Gai will have to wear all five colors(gold, cyan, grey, violet, silver) when they Gokai change to Kyoryuger. :lolol
Jokes aside you are correct. What I meant to say was that if we were to force Kyoryuger into the conventional 6-member only format I probably would have the other four as bangai regardless of their outward appearances.
Speaking of which, anyone up for the challenge to merge gold, cyan, grey, violet, and silver as 1 via photoshop? :lolol

I've recently gone through to make a spreadsheet of all the suit actors and what ranger they played in each season and I struggled with finding some of these designations. I wound up having both a "Sixth Ranger" and several "Extra Ranger" slots for some teams. I prefer "Extra Ranger" because sometimes it fits better, but also can get murky with the official "Sixth Rangers" that we hold near and dear.