Kamen Rider Saber Episode 37- "Who Will Change The Future?" Discussion
 

Master Logos declares war on humanity. The Riders must duel for the right to sacrifice.

Kento-kun still not ready for Ikazuchi. Ah, who am I kidding, he's picking it back up next week! Hell yeah, that's the good stuff!

Oh yeah, that lineup of every rider except Falchion? Hayato's back, so he's Calibur. Probably temporarily.

and just like that im done watching saber because i hate the writers so much not giving mei a rider form like it's such a slap in the face to the actress that wanted to be rider and just says nah, we dont like you being a rider. im not having that, im done with it. im sorry.

I'm really curious how to explain this if he's back full time... mostly because well.

Flashbacks, he was like cut through. How did he survive?! That's my question!

Also looks like Bahato might bite the dust for good next week since there's a preview shot of Touma Dual Wielding Rekka and Kyomu.

It's different for an actor to say they'd like becoming a rider, and it's another if it wasn't in the plan at all. I'm sorry you were watching Saber only for the sole fact to see Mei transform.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Kento wields ikazuchi again!!!!!!

That's not who i want!!!!!!!

Haven't been able to watch it yet, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but that sounds completely out of left field to me. Just kinda random.

Although...

I think you're overreacting more than a little bit. I was hoping for Mei-Espada too, but it's nothing to all-caps about.

It's probably the butterfly that's been following Kento around.

Well Saber to me is becoming the worst!!!! And I'm not happy with what choices Toei did as I am done.

I was hoping for a whole set, but if this means Kento's both Espada AND Calibur.... then this season's over for me.

I mean, not the first time a Calibur User was revived, given the time Daichi resurrected after Draconic Knight kicked his ass.

That's a butterfly? Granted my eyes when it comes to glowing balls of light are bad. I assumed that was the bird that talked to Yuri a while back.

That's right... I just assumed that was a thing cause he was in Rider Form, meanwhile Hayato got slashed through while he was out of transformation.

Aight. Goodbye. See you next week.

HAH! See you all never.... in h*ll....

Mei not becoming Espada does NOT make Saber a bad show. Can we actually focus on its actual flaws and not on something that has rarely been hinted at in the actual show?

I wanted Mei to become Espada too, but it was clear that was not the path they wanted. And you know what? That's okay? She's the heart of the group, serving as someone who can get them to laugh despite the dreary atmosphere. While her having a Rider form is appreciated, the story would still be fine without one.

Really, I'm more surprised people aren't talking about the small fight between Touma and Ren, or that new ability Yuri could use via the Kurayami and Saikou.

I don't think that's a new ability. It's essentially the same thing Yuri did to Bacht, sealing him using the power of both swords.

Oh, that was the highlight for me! But I'll put up my thoughts later this afternoon.

Honestly I think the part I liked the most was Isaac casually nuking an entire city district via a book and despite that book being destroyed nothing seemed to return to normal.

Meispada.

it's not overreacting, it's lously writing like all the characters that we know nothing about or hardly involved with the story get rider forms out of nowhere but the character that's been involved throughout the whole story/show gets nothing, it's a slap in face to the actress. how is that justified? especially she wanted to be rider and she deserved to be rider, no offense to their others they dont.

whether you like someone or not, it's wrong. it's like you work hard for promotions and the boss pushes you to the side for someone that hardly works that promotion, it's not right.

You not getting your way is not bad writing. You can be important to a show even if you don't shout "Henshin!" and put on some armor.

Also I feel like it'd be bad writing to push Mei into the Espada role this late into the game.

For me this was wishful thinking like early on. But really, her going in now wouldn't accomplish much other than her immediately getting wrecked by Solomon. Like at best she'd maybe be early Touma levels of competent with a sword, but that's like 37 episodes back.

Lol.

I was going to say that, but it sounded too much like a ship name for me.

You know what? Forget that. I'm officially calling the theory Meispada now and nobody can stop me from saying it.

Although, honestly, I mostly wanted Kento to stay Calibur, but I also wanted Espada to come back, and Mei seemed like the best candidate for that. But if that's not happening, then whatever, it's no big deal.

We'll see if Meispada theory is really dead next week, I guess.

And I still gotta wait for subtitles for this one.

Next you'll tell me that every single character in a Kamen Rider show deserves to be a Kamen Rider just because they were there.

And who the hell are you referring to for this "someone that hardly works for a promotion". Hayato? Kento? The previous Espada who was just a throwaway character for an optional special?

To be fair, I feel the only characters that feel didn't have their characters develop was Tetsuo, Bahato, and Ryoga/Durendal, though even then they had some character.


Ren was all about strength and his struggles for it, and its clear in this episode he is actually considering Touma's words.
Tetsuo had more development than Ryoga in part due to simply being there more often, but he felt like someone worthy of his blade.
Reika, even if the arc was soemwhat handled poorly, was someone who believed in the cause of the Sword of Logos but over time grew to suspect the master of not actually caring about the goal, ultimately rebelling in the end though not necessarily becoming a part of Touma's group.
Bahato's deal is actually explained in the show, though he does indeed feel one-note, though the encounter with Yuri and Mei may change his view.
And out of all the characters, Ryoga is the most one-dimensional but still has a character, being someone more blindly loyal to the cause of the Sword of Logos, and in turn quick to fight once it becomes clear Master Logos didn't actually care.

Honestly, what it comes down to is who exactly ends up wielding Kurayami. If its Kento and Yuri, then its somewhat excusable. But based on the preview, it may in fact either be Bahato or Daichi??? Which is not as excusable???

It's actually Hayato. The preview pics show Hayato at the right side, a blink and you'll miss it moment.

Kento's necromanced dad...? Uh... alright, sure, I guess. Lol

Necromancy, Tassel disguise, oh lord the speculations are "dark".

no one fucking cares bro the entire community at this point knows how bad you wanted mei to become espada

Yeah, actually that makes thing interesting. Was this a result of Tassel using Kurayami's power to bring him back? Saikou's? Both? A Alter RideBook?

Honestly, if Hayato survives the finale, then I'll be fine with it. Kento deserves a chance at happiness.

With all these resurrections, it's starting to feel like Falchion's powers aren't so special!

Alright, as much as i like Mei, this is probably the worst complain about Saber i have ever seen.

Mei is a great heroine not gonna lie, but that doesn't mean is a necessity for her to have a rider form, actress saying they want to become rider doesn't mean she has to become one.

Izu despite having much more oppoturnity to become rider in the series and her actress even say she want to become one, didn't become a rider in the series and everyone is fine with that while Mei not become one in the series is not? Yeah sounds fair (Movie doesn't count because we're disscussing the series right now, but even then Izu got 02 not an original form)

Plus in term of writing Mei becoming Espada over Kento is worse because:
1) Kento was Espada at the start of the series
2) Kento has a much more crucial role than Mei
3) It just make no sense for anyone in the gang to give her sword and go "Let's fight together!" If they care about her safety, especially when they fight against a psychopath
4) Despite Kento using Calibur for a good chunk of the show, they also steer toward him taking back Ikazuchi as a big point for his character
5) Espada as a whole is more related to Kento than pretty much anyone in the cast

The only things that Mei has that point to her becoming Espada is ED and her holding Ikazuchi during the nothern base raid which is not even a character driven scene

Like seriously aside from that two things, what did Mei has to point toward her becoming Espada? Nothing

Seriously Mei is a great support character and sometime you don't need a rider form nor a super power to be good.

Example would be Hayato from Jojo, he's a little kid and doesn't even have a Stand, but he is a great character, which show that a character can be awesome despite being normal.

Beside if Mei need a rider form for the show to have a "good" writting then pretty much 90% of rider are bad because they don't make the heroine a rider.

This is like saying Gaim is bad because Mai didn't become a rider or something similar to that which is just pure absurdity.

A great character is still great even if they not a rider, but being a rider doesn't immediately mean that the character is great

no, the only reason you wont mei becoming a rider is because you have a problem with her becoming a rider is because either you have a issue with female riders or you dont want her to become a rider because you dont like her at all, so all that crap about as much as i like mei but i dont want her to become a rider is that fact you dont like her at all. im not buying that bs what you wrote, it's pretty much the opposite.


the only reason i was watching saber because i was hoping that mei would become a rider, so that's out of the window, im finished because it's the same crap i have been watching since the beginning, there's nothing to the story accept saber's suit.

it would be nice for mei to become a rider because i love to her character evolve into hero especially from all the intense battles she's involved in and she gets nothing from that is very bad writing, so im done with this series. end of story.

what in the holy dumb fuck are you talking about? if anything, the people I've seen who do not want mei to become a rider respect the character more than people like you EVER will. you are delusional. mei becoming espada literally has no fucking basis whatsoever. deal with it. she'll never become espada. boo-hoo. you are allowed to love a character without wanting them to become a rider, you fucking weirdo lol

I'm sorry, but you are genuniely mentally ill if literally the only reason you watch this show is to wait for mei to become a rider. please stop watching the show if you're going to be fucking silly.

mei being the way she is is what grounds her as a character. a lovable, grounded character doesn't always need to be a rider. legit, them NOT being a rider is what makes them special. I pray to god you weirdos stop obsessing over a show because of female riders. jesus christ, man. let female characters be powerful characters as they are - because they literally almost always get treated better than female riders.

as previously stated, becoming a rider doesn't fucking magically make you a better character nor does it always amount to progression. just because you're a horny little kid who wants to see more riders like marika and sabela doesn't equate to the character magically becoming better. we've had so much amazing supporting cast among female characters that don't become riders, it's insulting to beg for them to become riders for no reason at all.

mei is literally the only "grounded" character in our main cast. in most series, our grounded cast consists of multiple people, yet mei is carrying the entirety of the human and grounded side of saber.

My man's you need to like calm down. It's a TV show aimed at boys, Bandai has the last say in who gets to do what. If Mei was gonna be a Rider she would've by now.

If Karate Bugmen got you this upset, you might wanna rethink your priorities. It's just a man in a suit man, calm down. I can't tell if you think of this fictional character as real? Becoming a Rider is not some "promotion", espcially not for somebody who's a main character. "Oh cool now I get stand in a booth and go AAAAAAAAAH", in addition to filming normal scenes is like not at all a promotion.

I think you just hyped yourself up on the idea of Mei becoming Espada because you REALLY wanted her to be Espada. It's also not like being a Rider is the "be all" for a character in a Rider show, Ichijo is literally the best Rider bro in the entire franchise bar Banjou and my mans had a gun and a gasmask for all 50 episodes of Kuuga, he wasn't any less of a Hero then Kuuga was.

Mei doesn't have to be a rider but she were to be become one I'd rather it be a new rider rather than a hand-me-down Espada

i swear to all things good i will become an actual sexist if i see another 'criticism' being 'mei not rider, therefore writing bad', and i hope that revice and any future seasons have no female characters in sight just so we can avoid this criticism ever again

Jokes aside, we don't need every character becoming a Rider. Being a strong character doesn't have to involve people transforming into Riders. While I do like the seasons with a lot of Riders, I do think that the shows with only two to three Riders total are among the strongest of seasons. Den-O, W, OOO, Fourze, and Drive are among the strongest of the seasons, and they didn't have all the characters becoming Riders (well, if you count Ryotaro as the 'real' title Rider of Den-O and the Imagins as the form changes before they start actually transforming on their own).

If anything, I feel like making characters into Riders just because weakens their character, because it makes it feel like "You only have any worth if you can become a Rider."

But I think we really, really need to lay off the accusations and name calling here, because as Damienthathedge said-

- At the end of the day, it's a TV show aimed at boys that a toy company has the biggest say in what happens.

Man, we can get some mods in here? Clean this up a bit?

Sooo.... how's the show, guys? All I can see is just about Kento transform into espada again and if I'm not wrong, its in the next week episode. Not today XD

I would have expected Kamijo to come back before I ever thought of Kento's father! Not that I ever cared much for the former, but he's still an established character and was -the- Calibur for a good while, whereas Kento's father showing up may as well be a whole new character to the audience :O Either way though, will be glad to see the golden genie rider once again.

Or leave it so everyone knows whose posts to never bother looking at : P

It'll definitely be nice to compare and see how each of the three fight as Calibur. Like I'm curious as if there are any differences, or if they use the same sort of style.