I haven't played Melee in almost a decade, give me a break. :lol

I seem to remember Roy being faster... And i played it about a week ago.

Roy can only be faster by using his short-hop fast fall L-cancel, since his short hop is, well...Shorter than Marth's, so he hits the ground earlier.
However, in terms dashing speed and execution, Marth moves faster.

So has anybody seen those "leaked"gameplay clips with Shulk on the 3DS version?
Outside of him having Marth and Lucina's B up attack it seems pretty concinving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCE-iKciVJA

Yeah apparently the leaks come from someone reviewing both versions of the game at ESRB according to Kotaku. These could still totally be fake, but the videos I've seen are convincing to say the least. But I mean come on, Duck Hunt Dog? :lol

I'm still not believing the leak almost entirely because of the Duck Hunt Dog :lol
It seems too shallow and limited to be more than an Assist Trophy.

Not bringing back Ice Climbers in favor of Duck Hunt Dog blows my mind. It's the one thing crazy enough to make me truly question the "leaks' validity. But it's also insane enough that I could see it being true.

What's mind blowing to me is Ganondorf's return. We're losing more unique characters but he gets to come back?

WHY! I don't have 3DS or Wii U cause I love teh interntz!!!11!1!11!111!!

But my friend is gonna get it soooo, I'm gonna play it! YAY!! Samba!

I got'z ninja'd...

If it's true, which it's looking to be, then yeah... I'm pissed a bit by fucking Duck Hunt Dog. That's just plain stupid.

But what really gets me is Dr. Mario. This game finally has genuine alternate costumes instead of just palette swaps... And still they bring him back as his own character?!

Bullshit.

Also Ganondorf just being a Captain Falcon clone still... So much for "no more clone characters" am I right?

Dark Pit could also just be a clone of Pit. Dark Pit and Dr. Mario should've just been alts.

Oh yeah, forgot about him... Freeeeaking dumb.

Hilarious part being that Dark Pit was just an alt color for Pit in Brawl :p

God fans would be outraged if all the Koopalings weren't alts for BJ.

I don't even think Bowser Junior should be a character... It's not nearly as questionable as Goddamn Duck Hunt, or Dark Pit or Dr. Mario. But it still seems like an incredible waste to have yet another character from a franchise already over-represented.

Really, Bowser Jr. would be one of the few Mario characters (Birdo aside) that I wouldn't question to include.
I'd be a lot more accepting of him than Dr...

Bowser JR is still a better use of a spot than Rosalina, i like how he looks in battle.

Seeing that Doctor Mario is back gives me a smile, i like him a lot in Melee.

Are you still on about that?

Rant incoming...

Dark Pit is just absolute bullshit.

Sakurai needs to stop jerking off to Kid Icarus: Uprising. Not only was it a mediocre game, that was characterised with a ridiculous control scheme that feels like it was thought up by an octopus and awful, awful dialogue that just never stopped, it was a tiny portion of the Nintendo franchise that doesn't deserve any more then one (two if lucky) representatives. Getting three is just absolutely insane. Metroid still only got one representative (unless you count splitting the same character from the previous game in two as two representatives, because I certainly don't) . Let that sink in. After four SSB games, Metroid, one of the "Big 4" Nintendo franchises, gets one and Kid Icarus: Uprising gest three. The same amount as Zelda. Not to mention at least ten items. It's insane.

I like Bowser Jr. I like Duck Hunt Dog. I like Shulk. I hate Dark Pit.

Also apparently Ganondorf is still a pseudo Falcon clone. Brilliant. :l I also haven't mentioned the insanely sexist ZSS alt costume, but I think that it goes without saying that that was a really stupid move on Nintendo's part. "Let's give an alt costume to Samus! Dark Samus? Fusion Suit? Power Suit? Actually no, she's a girl! We've already given ZSS high heels, so lets just get rid of any pretence of not objectifying her and put her in underwear! I bet a ton of basement dwellers will get a hard on for that!"

Needless to say I'm really disappointed in a lot of the new reveals.

To be fair Kid icarus is Sakurai's adopted son, i'm sure he fells like it needs more attention.

It doesn't matter if Sakurai likes the characters he made for Uprising, Smash Bros is about the whole of Nintendo, not just what Sakurai has favouritism for.

Dark Pit does not deserve a character slot by any stretch of the imagination. Kid Icarus: Uprising doesn't deserve two newcomers, especially when a bunch of unique characters have been cut. It also doesn't deserve to be the franchise with by far the most items.

Is it really worth getting THAT worked up...?

Writing angrily on a forum isn't the same as getting really worked up in person. I'm just pointing out why its stupid.

But I'd also say that a game as hyped up as Smash Bros is also worth getting a bit invested in when things aren't good. If you don't care about your hobbies, what's the point on having them as hobbies? I'm not the kind of person that just sits there and loves everything when its clear they're no achieving their full potential.

Considering one of the more well known and earlier statements was that there wasn't going to be an abundance of clones, then following the revelation of 3 clones (It's already confirmed that Lucina is literally no different from Marth beyond her sword's "Sweet spot", Dr. Mario is just heavier Mario, and Dark Pit is just Pit's black alt), Ganon not changing at all, and popular franchise Metroid being delegated to 2 characters, and things are starting to pile on and on to deserve such a rant.

I don't understand why people are getting mad over this. Duck Hunt was an incredibly popular game back in the day, including a character, even a rather silly one, makes a lot of sense.

I do agree that the clones really could have just been alternate costumes, but it's not like they're taking up slots or stopping other characters from being included. It just means we have more variety.

And yeah, the biggest franchises have always had the most amount of representation. Some others could maybe do with more, but who else could be added to, say, Metroid that wouldn't just be another Samus? (and don't even think about saying Ridley!)

Ridley. No, he's not too big. If they can downsize Bowser who has been gargantuan at times, they can size down Ridley.

Here's the thing though. Kid Icarus isn't even nearly one of Nintendo's biggest franchises. It was completely obsolete before SSB:B and has since then gotten one incredibly mediocre (borderline bad) game.

There is no proper reason why Metroid has less then Kid Icarus. Don't give me the "Ridley is too big" BS when we have a game in which Pikachu and Jogglypuff are half the size of Bowser. If ill-fitting clones are a good option, then Ridley even has way more similarities with Charizard then Ganondorf has with Captain Falcon. And Ridley, while being such a requested and obvious choice, isn't the only good option. If Dark characters are fair game, then Dark Samus would've been an absolutely awesome addition. And she wouldn't even be a clone. And that's just characters! Don't get me started on the ludicrous amount of items Kid Icarus has!

Plus there's other bullshit like the fact Paluntena has waaaaaaay more attacks then anyone else (and unless mistaken, is the only non-Mii Fighter with completely original customizable attacks) while Ganondorf is still a freaking clone of Falcon. Ganondorf has NEVER been a hand to hand fighter! Also the fact that Pit, Kirby and Meta Knight all have new moves and Ganondorf is still a freaking clone of Falcon!

Just be prepared for my insane rage-induced rant when they inevitably announce that Dark Pit has a completely original Final Smash and Meta-Knight and King Dedede have new ones.

I can understand Dark Pit because he is actually a different character than Pit, but I don't understand the return of Doctor Mario. I still want the game but it's weird adding these characters.

I don't think there's a problem with Ridley's size, just his overall design. I don't think he's a character remotely suited to being in a melee based fighting game. I'm not sure who else you could add from Metroid either, dark Samus would a third version of Samus.

Same games have more reps, simply because there's a bigger variety of characters to add from them.

Dark Samus is far less Samus then Dark Pit is Pit. They look the same because Dark Samus was born form her old armor but that is where the similarities end. She's called "Dark Samus" but she's not Samus in any way.

And yeah... Ridley is fine for the game. If it has Charizard and Bowser and previously Ivysaur in it, it can have Ridley.

But... they are. That's the point.

One of the earliest things said about this (these?) games was that they didn't want a massive roster and were keeping it small. So instead they give us an abundance of clones and randoms.

You guy lost me at Kid Icarus: Uprising being a bad game ,that game was great and i glad to see a few of the characters make it in to smash

It was mediocre. I question anyone who thinks that a handheld game that has controls that are so badly thought out that it requires a stand on a flat-surface to play comfortably is a great game. The constant, constant, constant irritating dialogue sure as heck didn't help either.

The absolute truth is that if a company that wasn't Nintendo released a hand-held game that needed a stand to play, thus rendering the entire point of hand-helds useless, they'd be forgiven much less then KI:U was.

If you don't think Ridley's size is a problem, then what is wrong with Ridley? Why isn't he suited to being in the game?

Additionally, Dark Samus's name comes from her design. But in actuality, she's a Metroid, not Samus. She's as much Samus as SA-X is.

I didnt use a flat surface, i remember paying all over the place. the only problem i had was forcing my right hand to do what i want since im a lefty, and the dialogue was great, funny jokes, and very clever ways to Break the fourth wall

While the opinion on controls varies from person to person, I liked the Kid Icarus Uprising controls. And the game was good to. Different weapon types, took a lot of skill to master all the difficulties and the boss rush, lots of content and so on.

Do I think Dark Pit should be a seperate character in Smash? Hell no. but I wouldn't berate him for coming from a game half of the population didn't like for its controls.

Went to PAX today. Smash was basically the only game I played. I really like the pace of the game. It's speed feels like its right in between melee and brawl, although I would like it if there were a L-Cancel type mechanic. The character variety is insane. Every character feels viable on a competitive level.

Nintendo was giving out smash towel for playing the 3ds version. The 3ds version wasn't really my cup of tea. I didn't expect much to begin with but for what it was its a pretty fun game.

Both games were a ton a fun. I can't wait to turn those items off and get the stock battles going when the games come out.

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/...psca0c4ea2.jpg

With all the disappointment with the roster, here's some awesome spoilers that may have been overlooked by the 2nd Leaker that have now been pretty much verified by the recent Pic of the Days.

-The Leaker mentioned that each character has 8 color swaps (100% confirmed) and that alts are included in those swaps (100% confirmed)
-Leaker mentioned that Olimar and Bowser Jr. are special cases, Olimar has Alph has an alt and Bowser Jr. has all Seven Koopalings. Rather then just change their looks, these alts change their names as well.
-Olimar has 4 color swaps for Olimar and 4 color swaps for Alph
-To make this more likely, these are the two characters that don't physically fight themselves. Olimar/Alph uses his Pikmin and Bowser Jr/Koopalings never leave the Jr. Koopa Clown Car
-Larry's Trophy has been shown, which features him in the Jr. Koopa Clown Car that Bowser Jr. uses in the game. Notably Larry has never used the Jr. Koopa Clown in a game ever before, therefore this trophy is almost definitely representing Bowser Jr.'s alt
-Leaker's game had a Padlock in All-Star Mode which is now confirmed to mean that he hadn't unlocked all the characters yet.

Trying not to get too excited, but if Lemmy is playable then just OMG YES. That totally makes up for the shittiness that is Dark Pit in my eyes. Note that the 2nd Leaker made the leak at around the same time as the more famous 1st (implying they had the same source), but didn't have pics and videos to back up their claims. However, considering that the recent Pics of the Day have strengthened a lot of the info he leaked, its pretty likely that he's correct.

With the increased color options, I sure as hell hope the Pokemon finally get their shiny versions. There's no excuse not to at this point, since they don't have to be constrained by "red/blue/green/yellow" now.