Oh no I dropped photos of Daigo. Oh no I pressed the 3D Daigo model. Oh no I failed Daigo. Daigo. Daigo. Daigo. I think there was maybe one scene with her Granddad as well...?

I'm aware of her actress having a busy schedule, and I'm not holding that against her, but a good character she is not. She supports Daigo (Since the Maximum Zyudenchi was built for Daigo for use in Carnival, but he later gave it to Utchy), and her actions always revolve around Daigo in some way. She has some neat fight scenes (And that one funny scene with the Spirit Rangers), but out of costume, she orbits Daigo like a moon.

Kyoryu23. It feels like this is meant to be some big epic moment, but with all the Daigo focus and the stupid Deboss suit I found this all rather lame.

The rest of the episode was just sorta annoying. 'That really stings!' 'keep smiling!', I get it, you want them to become 'things', catchphrases kids say. But they were said about thirty times this episode, it's fucking ridiculous and fucking annoying. While we're on the topic, I hate how basically every Commander in this show other than DoGold and Chaos are total jokes.

The Rocket Snap Together thing may have had a terrible transformation sequence, but the actual finished product wasn't so bad as this show makes the suits out of much sturdier materials. Plus anything to get the team in the robo, rather than just watching from afar while Daigo does everything.

You're approaching the new Commander soon, don't worry (I say that with no hint of screaming spoiler since I've never seen a single Sentai that didn't introduce a new Commander/General character).

And don't worry. You've reached Plezuon, so now you get to see Daigo make entire mecha without any input from anyone else! :p

I have to agree with Matrixbeast on this one. Yayoi was a waste of a character (although, she at least did not more than Koyomi in Wizard) with little development and she acted as nothing more than a background character. There should have been at least one or two episodes that really touched on her feelings for Daigo and we would have developed something dealing with Amy and Daigo's relationship at the end. Instead, it felt more like the writers just wanted to get that plot out of the way just to give it closure since they did not do anything with it over the course of the previous 46 episodes.

Kyoryuger is a really good show, but for all of it's great deliveries, it also wasted a lot of potential. The show knew how to engage its audience, get them to be interactive with it, it had energy, a strong cast of rangers, dinosaurs, and a good concept for the villains. Not to mention it had some of the least amount of filler episodes than we have seen in years. On the other hand, they pretty much wasted Amy and Yayoi's love triangle with Daigo, Daigo was to the Kyoryugers what Batman is to the Justice League, they really wasted the subplots they could have done between Uchy and Dogold and Ian and Aigaron, and the mecha designs themselves were subpar at best. In fact, forms were introduced in like one episode and then never used again, or if they were, were rarely used (Kyojin Western, for example). Finally, the other problem was, compared to Aba and Zyu, Toei played this series safe.

Uchy should have died and become the next generation of the Spirit Rangers since Ramirez and gang passed on to the after life.

Locke, do you plan to watch the movie at the end or in the middle? Or not watch it at all?

I heard the movie wasn't worth watching, so that is out of my condensed viewing!

I mostly agree with you, Kain, especially with the areas I bolded. Kyoryuger succeeds quite often, but there are a lot of problems that hold it back from being great. I really love it, but that doesn't mean it's flawless.

I recognize Kyoryuger is a mission show, where the mission was to create the Ultimate Super Sentai Series after Go-Busters (and Gokaiger**, to a degree) blew up the show's form. But even as it fully utilizes SS's most ubiquitous traits and cherry-picks successful plot/character elements from the best series of yore -- Kyoryuger often fails to actually feel like a Super Sentai. There's something slightly off about it.

I blame this disconnect on the show's borderline-hipster sense of self-awareness. The number of times Daigo calls his group a "sentai," or inspires his friends to be more like a "sentai," or justifies impossible actions because the team is a "sentai" -- it's unprecedented. And it breaks the show. Because how in the world does Daigo know what it takes to be a sentai -- or even what a sentai is -- before he's even joined the team? (Wouldn't it be a stronger story to watch Daigo learn what it takes to be part of a sentai as he, you know, becomes part of a sentai? Instead of coming equipped with a mental codex of sentai tropes.)

Especially early on, Sanjo presents Daigo as having the same metatextual knowledge of the genre's characteristics as the audience does -- but never shows us how or why he obtained that information. The constant meta-commentary drives a wedge between the audience and the narrative. It creates a sense of detachment because instead of actually taking us through a narrative that explores the traditional sentai story elements & tropes in an organic way, Sanjo shoves them in our face and has Daigo explain why they're awesome.

For example, if Amy runs into a problem she can't overcome, she doesn't go through an organic journey that changes her into a person who can overcome said problem -- as any sentai in the past would do. Instead, when Amy runs into a problem, Daigo shows up (or sometimes it's another character), and instead of helping her change, he tells her that she's part of a sentai, and sentai always win. So she rallies and wins. Character growth be damned. And that... kind of sucks a lot.

But even with this gripe, Kyoryuger finds a way to overcome (because they're a sentai, and sentai always overcome! Right, Daigo?). The show's sheer energy, positivity, zeal, and charm allow the show to be fun and enjoyable -- as long as you're in love with the genre like, I assume, most on this forum are (it probably plays infinitely worse for those not already enamored with sentai). Which, you know, is not a feat to be scoffed at.


**In a way, the Gokaigers are the Kyoryuger's mirror team. Where the Gokaigers outright reject the idea of being a sentai, even as they're surrounded by dozens of sentai teams, the Kyoryugers are nearly zealous in their adherence to the term and what it implies, even though they're utterly disconnected from the other teams. Kind of interesting.

What actually are you aiming to watch in the show?

Every episode minus the filler, so like twenty episodes all in all. All of my episode reviews are up in this thread, and from here I'll be watching. 23 - 24. 26 - 29. 33 - 36. 39 - End.

Well the movie does introduce 2 things that are seen in the series so it really isn't filler. But it is your choice.

I actually just watched it earlier today and I'd say it's worth watching. Usually Super Sentai summer movies are very forgetable, but this one was pretty good. Also Sanjo being Sanjo, he's actually worked the events of the movie into the series like he did with Begins Night and AtoZ.

Oh shit really? What episode does that fit into?

It's also a Sentai movie, so it's 30 minutes. Not exactly a time sink :lol

You should be getting close to one of the episodes it ties into in a bit, but the big one is 39.

I only recall it ever tying into episode 39, and even then the events are summarized pretty succinctly.

I think the movie is decent but forgettable. And the only reason I can see for them reusing the characters in the series is budgetary. There's a definite budget problem from about episode 35 to episode 44, where monster suits get reused, mooks are repurposed as main monsters (in one case, by literally putting a wig and lipstick on top of a mook suit), the movie characters' are pretty inelegantly jammed into the show, and 2 new generals are introduced wearing dime-store Halloween costumes.

Maybe I'll stick to my original idea and skip it then...haha.

It lightly ties into the episode when they revive Torin by using Meeko's song.

I mean, it's totally fun spectacle and it's enjoyable in that distinctly Koichi Sakamoto way, but it's hardly relevant to the plot.

Oh yeah... But it's only because they're using a plot device introduced in the movie, right? I totally watched that episode before the movie and didn't miss a beat. I think I even recall them flashing back to the movie in-episode to explain it -- though, I could be dreaming that. :lol

It is worth watching just for the fight in the forest at the beginning of the show.

Only thing that movie does that left any impact on me was that Gaburincho of Music buried it's way into my head so hard not even the ponies could get it out :lol

I think by doing this you're going to miss some vital moments for the characters. If you skip 37, you miss the beginning of an interesting little subplot for Souji. Sentai is built on the little things it can do with its characters in what might be called filler episodes. If you're skipping those because there's something you're not finding yourself enjoying, you're doing the story and yourself a disservice and you might be better off just not watching the rest of the series.

You can throw the blame for episode skipping in my direction. I think you get a pretty good picture of what the show is from the episodes I suggested.

While I'd recommend watching everything -- and it was hard to skip certain episodes because of the minor nuance they add to future plotlines -- I recall that Locke wasn't very interested in watching Kyoryuger at all until we trimmed out about 20 episodes for him.

The point is though, for whatever reason, sentai fans seem to have this apologetic nature to poor storytelling. The opening twenty or so episodes, had so little plot, I was able to cut out almost fifteen of those episodes.

Just because an episode has a thirty second character moment in it, it doesn't make it worthwhile. Sentai has always given poor exposure to everyone outside of red and sixth and this show may well very be the worst offender, and that makes it even less worthwhile.

And before someone tells me 'but you like Wizard apples and oranges'. Wizard had consistently fantastic action, and even the filler stories were interesting. I think the highlights of the episodes I skipped in this was Ian got toothache, Candi put on a concert that causes dogs to go in blind rages and fart batteries.

If you guys think I've missed something genuinely tangible, then by all means I'll check it out - that is why I watched that Nossan episode with the stupid tickle battery. But if it's like the Tessai episodes, where everyone learns something really stupid and pointless, and it never comes up again I think I can safely skip it.

Which episodes from the first 20 did you watch? Because if you cut out 15, that means you missed a lot of any one of the team formation arc, the introduction of Cyan, Gold's introduction, even episodes that serve to showcase more of the villains like 15 or the one with Luckyuro's teacher. They all serve a purpose and I would argue very little of Kyoryuger is dismissal due to the nature of the show.

It honestly just sounds like you don't like the characters or the show in general, in which case, watching it seems like an odd decision. I understand wanting to be informed and critical of the things you dislike, but as long as you continue to skip episodes, you're just never going to get the full picture. Whether or not something seems pointless, and due to the nature of year long shows, that will almost always be the case with at least a few episodes, they should be watched.

I can understand thinking some episodes don't advance the story, and I feel like this is the case with a few of the ones in the early 30s, but it's just not going to be easy to have a full grasp of the show if you end up skipping something like half of its run. If I were to have done that with Shinkenger, I would have thought the show was good because I skipped almost the entirety of the inconsequential middle portion of the show. You need the good and the bad to understand how the show was meant to be presented and fully understand what it wanted to do versus what it was capable of doing.

This is why I think it's probably better to just forgo the rest of the show if he's not interested in it. If you need to cut out half of the content to be able to sit through it, there isn't much to be gained in that viewing experience.

I watched 1 - 4. 8 - 10. 12. 16 - 18. 21 - up to where I am now. So I skipped ten episodes. I skipped Cyan's introduction because I hate Candi and I've seen it before.

I didn't like the show, I dropped it once around episode ten, but others wanted me to give it a go and with their hindsight they were able to streamline the series so I skip all the goofy shit, and pointless filler that made me drop it in the first place.

Yeah the characters are a bit flat, the focus on Daigo is heavy, the villains are rubbish and the plot is nonsense but that seems the conclusion of people who watched it from start to finish anyway.

The only difference is I'm getting much greater quantities of what the show is good at, versus what it isn't, so I'm actually enjoying it more than most. I think it's good to get all of the good and none of the bad, I don't understand the strawman argument about Shinkenger at all.

I guess the question becomes -- is one watching a show to enjoy one's self, or is one watching it to have an authoritative opinion of the show?

If the viewer enjoys a show better without the episodes that don't advance the story -- and his priority is enjoyment -- I think skipping episodes is a very valid way to watch a series he otherwise wouldn't have enjoyed.

If the viewer wants to have an authoritative opinion on the entirety of the show -- watching the complete product is obviously better.

Keep in mind that almost all weekly TV shows -- especially ones aimed largely at children -- are designed to be enjoyed even if you miss an episode here or there. Sure, you may not get the entire experience, but you are getting a valid experience.

I bristle at the suggestion that any one way to watch a show is "wrong," so long as the viewer enjoys himself.

I agree. While I personally enjoyed Kyoryuger's silliness, if someone'll enjoy the show more without the really silly episodes, then they shouldn't have to watch them. Locke seems to be doing fine without them.

It's a flawed mentality to think that you need the bad in a show. You seem to have a very "Ultimate" stance when it comes to judging it. Introducing a plot point means nothing if the show doesn't follow up on it, and that's the biggest failing of Kyoryuger. If the plot doesn't focus on Daigo, it doesn't follow up (Souji's family life, Ian's love life, Nossan's family. All set up, but goes nowhere because it's not focused on/doesn't affect Daigo. It's menial and skipping them doesn't affect the flow of the story at all.

That is the thing as well, it doesn't seem I've missed anything by skipping the ten episodes I have so far. Admittedly I don't have much attachment to the characters but that doesn't seem to be because of me, it seems to be that all the focus the core four outside of Daigo and Utchy were gonna get was in the first ten episodes.

That's sort of what gets me though. If you have to skip episodes, and not just a couple but what amounts to a sizable portion of the show, doesn't that sort of imply there isn't much enjoyment to be found in the show? This isn't a knock against people who do that, but it's just a perspective I've never been able to wrap myself around. (though now I do see Locke seems to enjoy his viewing, the take I got on his posts about the show just seemed to be very negative, so I was legitimately wondering why anyone would continue to watch something they didn't enjoy for so long) For instance, in other forums I've visited, many people will often watch every modern Kamen Rider and Super Sentai just to say they've seen it, that authoritative perspective, and that's one that has always boggled me when it means there sitting through something you absolutely can't enjoy. (which is probably why I'll never be able to finish the first Garo season or Go-Onger)

With me and Shinkenger, I don't think it's an outright bad show, but it's a very poorly paced one. That's a perspective that you can't have firsthand without drudging through the so-called filler of the show, which brings about the idea of having a full experience. Coming from someone who really enjoys the production side of things, I just think every episode should be given a fair shot due to the work that goes into it, with the caveat that it's within a show you either enjoy or see some sort of merit to. (there are shows I will watch just for the spectacle of whatever I feel might be going wrong) Which I guess goes back to what my stance on experiencing a show: firsthand lends itself to a more robust understanding of a show. (though I get that's not something everyone wants, but as a content creator myself, it's something ingrained into my thought process)

Most people assume me negative when I'm just critical. For me discussing what is wrong with a show reaps much more rewarding discussion than just 'it's good', I don't intend to come across as contrary but the internet has this weird mentality that to criticise something means you hate it.

It was suggested that I stop posting in Kyoryu threads because I wasn't completely in love with it. :p

Let's not re-hash that again, please.

:lol

Considering some of the conversations I've seen lately, I am (funny enough) not surprised to hear that.

Re-hash?

It's such fun~

Really? That's not good :lol

It's not that we are apologetic, it is that this has been going on for 38 years and we are used to it. Do you really think they are just going to stop what works and go for a complete 50 episodes of all plot? Unfortunately, no series has 50 episodes worth to tell when it is a show like this be it Sentai, Kamen Rider, Gundam, Sailor Moon, etc. However, due to the confines surrounding the show, they have no choice. They wouldn't sell toys if they made a Sentai series be half a year.

Anyway, like I said earlier, Kyoryuger is one of those series that as very little filler. In fact, maybe 10 episodes of the entire show are true filler and they are so spread out that it really does not matter.

Gaim hasn't had a single filler episode yet.

Well I've already skipped ten episodes of Kyoryuger, and have a lot more to skip yet, so this show has LOADS of filler.

Not YET. So far, Urobuchi is doing a build up for some plans, which doesn't mean there won't be filler in the future... Especially because Urobuchi is used to write series half as long as Gaim. I really wonder if he can keep up the pace. In fact, some episodes had a slower feel already.

Besides, comparing Rider and Sentai at that point is just not right. Sentai has a structure much different from Rider, basically because we have a team focus, while rider has a story focus. Kamen Rider has ONE character to undergo the most development within the story, which is the main rider. Most sidekicks or secondary riders don't have stories as fleshed out as the main rider, the exception is when those stories are linked, like Eiji and Ankh's in OOO.

Sentai, however, has a team of characters that has to have about equal development and focus (depending on the author, of course, not all of them have the same amount of it, but that's still the idea behind it). The filler episodes in Sentai are usually character development episodes. For example, the cavity episode in Kyoryuger is basically the set-up for the friendship between Souji and Ian. At the same time, it introduces Ramirez and Ankydon, who are minor characters and thus don't have their own character episodes. Episode 11 was a character episode for Ucchi, who showed his true character in this one. This is also the episode that introduces his problem with women, which is used occasionally later in the show, for example in episode 32/33. We also have the origin of the name "Ucchi" in that one and some general introduction of his actual character traits that will appear throughout the rest of the show.

People shouldn't expect the same pacing as in Kamen Rider for Super Sentai. The shows may have been written and invented by the same people, but they're still two different shows.