I knew you would latch on that example. ;)

Her simply dying is not interesting. Avatar has shown that it can handle death as Matrix and I have pointed out in just a few examples. What makes it more interesting is why she chose to disappear. Think about it, if she was murdered, the story is straightforward enough. Ozai is evil, and she was good and Zuko should have revenge. But she ran, implying she had something to do with the plot, that there was more than meets the eye.

That is also why she was a more interesting character than Warren McGinnis. I am not saying this was the only way they could have done the story, I am merely saying that explicit death is not the only plot-line a show can use.

I guess so, debating can't go on forever. :p

Solomon Grundy died and that was pretty significant. Most other deaths, if they were for significant characters, left clear room for return.

You, and thousands of others, praise Avatar but that doesn't change that it did nothing for me.

I love Shounen anime already and Japan doesn't have nearly the same limitations in telling its stories, so I'd rather watch those. Or American animated series who recognise their limitations and work around them to better their shows. Even Alien Force had more mature story telling and better stakes than Avatar.

And as much as you can tell me Avatar did that and go into a scene I remember nothing about because I've long since forgotten about the show as I cared nothing for it, I didn't feel Avatar did at the time, which is why I gave up on it and haven't watched it again since.

How?

Romance was actually realised. There was cause and effect and consequence. Actual stakes and tension.

>Romance was actually realized in Avatar (Aang and Katara, Zuko and Mai, Sokka and Suki)
>There were cause and effect in Avatar (Aang and co exploring Wong Shi Tong's Library led to Appa's kidnapping while also telling the characters the day of the solar eclipse (A day which Firebenders lose their power), setting up the plot for the remainded of the season; Azula working with Long Feng led to her backstabbing Long Feng, taking command of the Dai Li, leading to the capture of Ba Sing Se, capital of the Earth Kingdom)
>Consequence (Everything in Season 3)
>Actual stakes and tension (You're bullshitting me here. There was so little tension in Alien Force I think even Ben acknowledged how little threat his enemies truly were)

I don't have a problem with you not liking Avatar, really, I don't. But it seems that you just choose to ignore what happened in Avatar just because "It didn't show me this guy getting burned to death, so it's kiddy."

I guess all the good stuff happened in season three then, oh well. I still downright refuse to sit through two seasons of utter shite to get to 'the good bit' especially if I might not even like it. From my experience of the two seasons I forced myself through it was no better than 4kids One Piece and I physically couldn't take another season of this overrated garbage.

Hence why I didn't spoiler anything.
I thought all of Avatar was good, bar like, 5 episodes from Season 1.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with disliking the show, but your reasoning is just factually wrong. People die. Actions have consequences. Romances are more than just "They kind of sorta maybe like each other." And a lot of this occurs, or are at least set up, in seasons 1 and 2, not just 3.

Much like how I'm free to despise Decade, you're free to loathe Avatar, but your statements seem like you watched for 5 minutes then just tuned out the remaining 15 for each episode you watched.

To be fair I probably did, I was about as engaged with this show as I am with those videos we watched in science at school.

At the very least, you could watch Doug Walker's Vlogs on the series. He's recently finished the first season, and he does a really good job detailing what happened in the episode and why he did or did not like it. They usually range from 9-12 minutes, so it shouldn't be too time-consuming.

I will say this, early Alien Force did feel like it had tension and an over-arching story. It also felt like a continuation of Ben as a character—he's cooled off, grown up, and moved on, but he still will get the job done. After the Highbreed story, though, the show got annoying. I haven't gotten around to watching Omniverse in its entirety, but I did like what I saw.

I really want nothing to do with it honestly. I gave it a chance. I didn't enjoy it. I have so much to watch and so much I am enjoying, why waste my time on something I dislike?

I'm already using Doug's view on Power Rangers to enjoy MMPR for the first time in about twenty years.

Okie dokie lokie (que My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic! discussion).

You're close.
Cue people blaming me for starting it.

Anyway, I just crushed one of my friend's dreams. He was hoping for Young Justice to get renewed and that Jinx would become a character (He's a Teen Titans/Teen Titans Go! fan).

What he didn't know is that Jinx in the TV show (Pale, sarcastic, anime hair, stalker smile) isn't anything like the comics (Indian, straight forward, bald, and completely different from the shows' iteration).

Okay let me ask why does Bruce have a Batgirl suit on standby in the animated series?

Maybe it's a kink?

And that makes the "Ambiguously Gay Duo" jokes surrounding Batman and Robin even MORE feasible in execution!

And adds a new layer of squick...

At which point?

It was during Nightwing's flashback to when he quit being Robin, i'm not sure if Batgirl was around before that point but Barbara just found the batcave and they had the suit all ready.

Maybe Barbara just carries the suit with her. Its probably light and compact, plus she has to be ready for emergencies.

What is that? Some kind of lubricant?

Did I just say that out loud?

Yes you did.

And I trust you know what squick is.

Squick is fun :D

So, I take it my guess was correct?

On the topic of Avatar, season 2s Tales of Ba-Sing-Se (?) has to be one of the best/saddest episode of any animated series I've watched. The fact that it ended up being an in-memoriam' episode for Mako makes it even more of a tear-jerker.

No. Squick is something so icky that it makes you squeamish. Hence "squick."

Thanks for getting us back on track. And the Iroh segment of that episode was like the intro to "Up," so emotional and perfectly executed that you could made that part be the entire piece and no one would complain.
Oh the feels of that segment.

GoseiWonder, your name is now Squick.

I would go so far to say that it's one of the finest examples of television in human history.

I wouldn't go that far. The anthology feeling of the episode breaks some of the emotional impact.
However, Iroh's story in that episode was really good.

Why does Iron Man rebuild the Mark I and replace the Mark II (original became War Machine) in his armory? He just likes the display. Just like Batman has trophies such as the giant coin in his Batcave. Don't we see him wearing the Batsuit while there is still one on display? Been a long some so I don't remember.

I haven't seen it all, like I said. But Avatar is one of the best animated shows I've watched in a really long time. The story, the animation. the characters. It's in my top five. (And these aren't in order)

Tron: Uprising
Young Justice
Batman: The Animated Series
Avatar: The Last Airbender
MLP: FiM

And two of those got cancelled on me. Screw you Cartoon Network, screw you Disney.

Depends what series. In Batman Beyond he kept Robin's and Batgirl's suits as reminders/mementos. You'll understand Robin's if you watched Return of the Joker, and Batgirl's is because in Beyond it's said that Bruce and Barbara shared a relationship.

Tron: Uprising?
That's actually a show I heard surprisingly little of. Few complaints, few praises, little discussion (Outside of forum threads solely for that show).
How good is that show? What's it like?

It's actually pretty good but I never really got into it properly. Not because it's bad but I dunno, the clunky animation and ugly character design kinda pulled me out of the show a lot and took away my drive for the series often.

So, what was the allure of it for you?

I'm a big fan of the Tron Universe and within theory, as an animated series, a lot of the limitations on the movies would be lifted.

Uprising is on Netflix and I've been meaning to watch it (I just hate CG focused animation). Hadn't heard a ton about except it was in danger of being canceled. Legacy was a slight let down but was so visually appealing and had a great score which was mostly all I expected.

Tron uprising isn't a bad show, it's just a dang eyesore. It's so painful to look at for me.

Oooooooh...ok.

Yeah, I always thought that when I saw the ads.

It's hard to be interested in an action series if they barely animate the fighting with any sense of fluidity.

It's just after Cloo took over The Grid, and he starts sending Generals out into the outlaying systems to begin his takeover. It's about Tron finding redemption, and a new hero rising to take up the mantle.

And I like the animation style. It fits the Tron Universe well, and reminds me much of Aeon Flux. A show I adored.