Sounds cool~

Pikachu better get a female alt too.

I don't think that one is likely, as it's only difference is a minute change in it's tail...

I'd like to see that.

I think I made it clear in my original post what my problem with Ridley was. He just isn't well suited to the game, both because of his design and his appearance. A big purple death monster isn't something anyone expects from a Nintendo party game, he doesn't exactly fit in with the others and his design would lead to all sorts of problems, even if you shrink him down. He's nothing like Charizard or Bowser in that regard, I just don't see how he'd work as a fighter.

http://i.imgur.com/EsZ5hud.jpg

And yes, although Dark Samus isn't actually Samus, it'd still be another character that looks and plays exactly the same (and with Samus in the name). We didn't need Wolf either, which is most likely why he's gone, but at least he wasn't just a pallet swapped Fox.

I'm still not sure I believe the rumours about the costumes. This does give them a lot more weight, but after saying he didn't want different characters to be relegated to costumes, why would we suddenly see that happen for the Koopa kids and Alph? Dark Pitt, Dr. Mario and Lucina should have just been costumes if that's the case (and honestly, Dr. Mario isn't a different character anyway).

No she wouldn't though. Dark Samus looked like Samus (to begin with), but was a completely different creature.

Wasn't it just the alts that changed their moves in some way, shape, or form were new characters? The Koopa Kids and Alph were said to be purely aesthetic.

That comic makes so little sense it almost seems like it's bullshit.
The notion that it's physically impossible to alter Ridley's size to properly scale him is an outright lie. To say that there is no possible in between, that he's either too big or too small, is too far fetched to believe.
Additionally, it ignores that Ridley doesn't stand in that prone position very often.

Concerning Dark Samus, she shares physical similarities with Samus, but from a power basis, they're completely different. She's not just Samus spray painted black.

I don't care enough about the others to comment (Though Lucina should've been an alt for Marth).

Why? She's not just a palette swap like Dark Pit is. Yes, her outfit is very similar, but 2 things 1. She's a totally different character (Yes, I know that kind of applies to Dark Pit as well) 2. She's a different gender. Yes, you could argue "But Female Robin and Female Villiager!" but those are different gender versions of the SAME character, they aren't entirely different characters like Marth and Lucina, that and Lucina plays a huge role in Fire Emblem Awakening (to my understanding)so, to relegate her an alt would be a crime. Should she be more unique in terms of moveset? Yes, I won't disagree with that, but she shouldn't just be an alt costume. Maybe people wouldn't complain as much if she were DLC (Since DLC is rumored to exist) and I would have been ok with that, I wouldn't have minded paying a little extra for her.

Last I heard, the only difference is height and that Lucina's sword doesn't have a "Sweet spot."
That aside, their identical, which is where the issue arises.
We listen to Sakurai making note that we wouldn't have to worry about 'clone' characters, and then we add a character that is almost literally no different from another, but with breasts and a mask?

I meant as characters, not as fighters.

EDIT: and you and I had this conversation before. Sakurai said that a while back, things change. Like Transformers: Prime. It's whole concept changed between when it was first being worked on, and when it came out.

Demos are starting to come out and reports are that Link has an alt costume!

Fierce Diety!

That is freaking epic. Majora's Mask remains my favourite game ever made.

Alph is also in the demo, so that basically confirms the Koopalings too. Meta Knight also has an alt: "Galactic Knight". I don't play Kirby much though, so I'm not sure the significance.

On the bad side, I had to roll my eyes at the fact that King Dedede gets a new Final Smash. Peach? Sheik? Link? Toon Link? Bowser? Donkey Kong? Mario? Keep your shitty Final Smashes. Pit? Kirby? Dedede? Definitely need new ones. Can't wait for the reveal that Meta Knight got a new one too. Sakurai's bias never ceases to amaze.

Yeah, it's pretty lame that Dedede is getting a new Final Smash while the characters who really need new ones, such as the ones you mentioned, are stuck with their crappy ones. Honestly though I don't really like Final Smashes to begin with, I always turn them off.

That alt costume news is fantastic though. I suspected Meta Knight might get a Galacta Knight alt, and Fierce Deity Link is awesome, that's such a great design. I hope Link is actually a viable character this time though...I want to use him more, but he's always been terrible. :(

Peach is also confirmed to not have Daisy as an alt.

That's really lame, tbh.

Wire Frame Mac is apparently different from a normal alt, in that any of his 8 alts can be "Wire-Frame" , meaning Little Mac has 16 Alts over the regular 8.


EDIT: Fierce Diety is not an alt, its simply a color swap that gives him his Fierce Diety facial markings and stuff. Boo.
I also haven't found any really good confirmation on Galacta Knight either. Alph is definitely in the game though, heaps of people who have played the demo are confirming him. Fox also has Wolf colors and Pikachu adds the Gold/Silver Hero and the X/Y Hero to his costumes. Shiny Charizard is in it as well, but not Shiny Lucario. Peach has Shadow Queen colors.

Ok, so here are the interesting reveals from the Japanese Toys R Us demo. I streamlined some of the new info from my posts to get the interesting stuff:

-Alph is confirmed as Olimar alt (pretty much confirms Koopalings too)
-Announcer changes to say "Alph" instead of "Olimar".
-Link has Fierce Diety Colors. Not new costume, but gives him Fierce Diety's eyes and facial markings along with a Fiercy Diety esque color swap
-Peach has Daisy, Fire Peach and Shadow Queen colors, neither are new costumes
-Pikachu has X/Y and G/S Hero hats
-Charizard has G/S Shiny Charizard, not modern Shiny Charizard
-Charizard has Purple colors.....
-Both Lucario and Greninja have approximations of their Shiny Colors, but not perfect
-Little Mac has 4 normal colors, 4 hooded colors, 4 wire frame normal colors, 4 wire frame hooded colors, resulting in 16 colors
-Ike's flames are now blue
-Fox has a Wolf palette swap
-Metaknight is nerfed compared to Brawl

Really?

Do you remember Pit and Dedede's final smashes? They were practically useless. Of all the characters you listed, the only one I agree with is Donkey Kong's. Other than that, if I were to choose characters who need new, more effective final smashes, Pit and Dedede would have been at the top of my list.

Both had interesting, character specific Smashes. Pit's is fine because Paluntena is a character now, but Dedede's... No. No reason for the change.

Link has hundreds and hundreds of items he's used in his past, all of which could make awesome and unique Final Smashes. Hell, Fierce Deity would've been an epic Final Smash! Instead he gets a useless ability, he's never used before. And not only that, they shoved it on Toon Link too. Peach has an insanely ridiculous and silly Final Smash that, again, she has never done before. Mario has been in thousands of games and has many, many potentially awesome and character-specific smashes. Instead, he gets a useless fire ball. Sheik has never used the Light Arrow and now that Zelda and Sheik are separate characters the fact that they still both use it is jarring.

But nope, Pit, Dedede, Kirby get the new ones while they all remain the same. And yeah, Metaknight will definitely get a new one too because its beyond obvious (and has been since Brawl) that Sakurai's characters get special treatment over a lot of the more important Nintendo characters.

More examples of just how freaking dense they are in making this game. That doesn't remotely make sense.

Meta Knight gets the Galacta Knight alt? That's cool. I might not feel like such a dick for picking him, then :p
Though Galacta Knight uses a lance, so I'm curious how they accommodate for that.

Concerning Final Smashes, I actually really liked Dedede's. Sure, it wasn't super game accurate, but I liked the dance and the Waddle Dees/Doos parading around. It fit the character and the tone...To give him a new one is unnecessary, considering that DK's Final Smash still sucks bricks (It would've been so much better if DK could've gotten Rambi or something rather than the flipping bongos...)

Byoutiful.
Just...Byoutiful~

Kirby and Pit DO get new Final Smashes, Starscream Gaga.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Ultra_Sword

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Three_Sacred_Treasures

I feel like you've completely misunderstood the conversation. That was my point. :P

I'm sorry, the Galacta Knight was misinformation that got spread. The stuff on the list is all the confirmed stuff.

You implied that Kirby and Pit had the same Final Smashes as in Brawl. That's what I got, anyway.

Also, really on Sakurai? Cut the guy some slack.

The reason it's on Sakurai is because the characters with new Final Smashes all stem from his games (Kirby and Kid Icarus: Uprising). So it's gone from coincidence to bias.

No, I really didn't

You've completely misunderstood what I'm saying. Kirby, Pit and Dedede have al been given new Final Smashes over the others that I listed that deserved it more. You've taken exactly the opposite point of what I was making. I was pointing out how dumb the logic was in choosing who got new Smashes.

And yes. I think you'd have to be pretty ignorant not to notice the bias towards Sakurai's pet franchises. Sunspace emissary was basically "Kirby and Dedede save the Nintendo Universe! Feat. Nintendo cameos" and there's so much evidence in the new games it's hard to pick them all out in one sitting.

-Kid Icarus (or more accurately KI:U because everything simply referencing the first games have been removed) has three representatives and more items then any other franchise. The vast majority of new items hail from KI:U. I'm fairly certain at this point KI:U has more items then Zelda and Metroid COMBINED.
-Smash Run features mostly KI:U characters
- Paluntena is thus far the only character to have fully original attacks rather then variants for customs. Does Link get to use his hundreds of items? Nope. Does Paluntena get over 10 original techniques to select from? Of course.
-Do the listed deserving characters get Final smashes? Nope. Do Kirby, Dedede and Pit? Of course. Will Meta-Knight get a new one. I'd bet my bottom dollar.
-Luigi is the ONLY non-Sakurai character to get a new Smash not born from necessity.
-Kirby and Pit are the ONLY characters to receive new moves not born from necessity.
-The most powerful item that turns the game on it shoulders as people collect the pieces hails from what franchise? Kirby. The new game introduces a new one! What game is it from? KI:U.

The list goes on...

So, right now we have less than a month till Smash 3DS comes out, who here is buying it at launch?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...30B98AA961.jpg

-Fire Rosalina
-Fierce Deity
-Alph Alt

I'm probably gonna use Alph.

I'm gonna stay with classic Olimar, myself.

Can Toon Link get a Minish Cap alt? That'd be nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vim...layer_embedded

AKB?!?

(As much as I like some of their songs, I will not put them into Smash Bros.)

Nope, no alts for Toon Link, which I think sucks!

The alts, outside of Alph and the Koopalings and Robin are a pretty big miss. Sexist Samus, Dark Pit and Lucina being actual characters... It's a big disappointment because there was heaps of potential!

I love Alph and the Koopalings, but we could've had so much more awesomeness too. Dry Bowser, Fierce Deity as an actual alt, Skyward Sword Link and Zelda, Galacta Knight, Daisy, Cosmic Spirit, Shadow Mario, Masked Dedede, Minish Cap Toon Link, Fusion Suit Samus, Ms. Pacman... The list goes on!

Great now whenever i play i'm gonna be thinking of this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gy6TYe3XH4

Okay guys. Real talk time.

Which Amiibo should I preorder or do I just go all in? ;_;

Kinda sucks. A lot of those alts would've been awesome (Hell, I actually forgot about Ms. Pac Man :lol)
I'd be all over a lot of them.

How much would going all in cost?

Wii fit trainer...

Wave one would be about... $155.88.

These are seriously overpriced...

Dayum. Going all in seems to be a bad idea, then...

I'm just thinking of getting the Amiibos of Luigi and Mega Man. With both 3DS and Wii U versions, a new Gamecube controller with adapter PLUS a strategy guide I'll be paying a lot for SSB4.

There's love and then there's obsession.

The only Amiibos I'm interested in from the first wave are Kirby and Villager, but I might also get Mega Man, Meta Knight and Shulk whenever they're released. That's a maybe on all of them though, I'm still not entirely sold on these things. Unless they end up adding some significant value to the game, which it doesn't seem like they really do so far, I don't see myself picking up more than one or two, if even that.

On another note, has anyone else watched any streams from the Japanese demo that was just released? I watched some last night and this morning and it looks good. Supposedly the demo is going to be available in the US on the 19th of this month, but that's unconfirmed so take it for what you will.

I'm hoping we get the demo, but it's hard to get excited when it's not even confirmed.

Yeah, I'm not going to get my hopes up. Either way it's not that big a deal, the full game will be out in just a under month now anyway.

Yeah, true.
It's just that it'd be nice to get a feel for it like the lucky bastards who got to attend events did, is all :lol