The time paradox thing would have been fine had they been 19 and 20 in the future Trunks' story.

Yeah, but Cell even says it himself that he did not know he could come back.

If BOG now happens six months after Buu before then how will Goku become a Super Saiyan God now? They need the the power of six pure-hearted Saiyans and Pan won't be born for another 10 years. I guess they will retcon her age at the end of DBZ now or do something crazy like wish Radditz back to life as a good guy.

Watched the first episode of Super.
Dis gonna be a good show.

Or get Tarbles phone number.

I don't think the events of Yo Son Goku and His Friends Returns happen now in Super which makes Tarble unlikely to appear unless they somehow make it happen four happens after the Buu saga. I don't see the 2008 Jump Special happening in Super if people on Earth in Yo Son Goku and His Friends Return remember Majin Buu while no one does in Super.

His name is Champa. Apparently he's another God of Destruction.

I love this version of the opening more than the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqK6NLncbXo

Plot holes. Also if the sup version has bulma mentioning garble then if be still cannon and apprently the film are still cannon regardless of the events of episode

A new Q&A has been released. Thanks to Herms from Kannzenshuu for translating it.

http://www.db-z.com/dragon-ball-supe...-atsushi-kido/

Will Jaco from Revival F appear?

Um... the guy was around before F.

And we don't need Goku to get anymore stronger than he already is.

Jaco is awesome, I'm glad that he is going to appear more often. It would be cool if Neko Majin show up in one of the 12 worlds.

That would be awesome. I love Jaco too so I am happy he will continue.

How can the film still be canon if the series contradicts it? :confused:

Would you guys like to see any other old characters return in Super? I would like to see Android/Cyborg #8, Lunch, Android/Cyborg #17 and Arale return. More moments with Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Puar and Oolong would be welcome too.

A visit to Android 17's (Hi's real is Lapiz right?) park would be neat.

Episode 2 of Super was great and was really funny. I haven't laugh this hard with a DB episode since the driving test episode in DBZ. Cool to see Gregory again. I see some people that are not happy that he is in the show since they feel like that they're mixing continuities given that he is a filler character.

So far I'm loving Super and I can't wait for more episodes now. I do think that retelling the events of the last two movies may not be that bad. It can fix some of the plot holes in the recent movies like the characters ages. Also we can see how Vegeta becomes a SSjG, how Freeza becomes stronger and maybe explain Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan better then ROF did.

Not to mention we could have Gotenks, Yamcha, #18 and Kibitoshin (he can finally do something useful for once and we can see his full power) help out against Freeza and his army. I would also love to see Mr. Satan try to fight Freeza like he did with Cell and Buu. The moments with Mr. Satan trying to fight Cell where great in my opinion.

All of those things could be done by just expanding on the films though, rather than throwing them to one side in order to produce "better" versions.

Man dragon ball Super is just such a great series so far. Yeah I'm a bit sad that Battle of Gods and Resurection F are getting redone, but I don't really mind all that much, I'm honestly really excited to see where this goes.

Finally watched episode 2, but what is up with the laziness of all of these fansubbers? I've gone through 3 different groups now and none of them have bothered to translate the openings and endings, one didn't bother to translate the next episode previews, all three had lines of dialog missing, and one of them didn't even have Beerus' name properly (they called him Bills). Is there anyone that is even going to bother putting an effort into these subs or do they just not care since it will get licensed?

Anyway, the episode was great, but I really don't like them removing Battle of Gods from continuity. There was no reason for it. The stuff with Vegeta felt off though. He said he would never fight again at the end of the series because he knows he would never top Goku, but he is suddenly wanting to top him. That just doesn't make any sense. Loved everything with Beerus, but I do have to say, he feels a bit off from how he was in BoG. The worst aspect of the episode though was Kaio's new voice. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Well whatever. It was an enjoyable episode despite its shortcomings and I hope they continue to focus on developing the characters each episode before getting into the action. Each character/family deserves to have their own focus before then.

King Kai's voice... Don't quit your day job buddy.

Look for a sub by DragonTeam. Usually comes out the day after the episode airs, but it's by far the best fansub available. Wasn't missing any of the lines like the others either.

DragonTeam? I don't see any subs on Nyaa with that name.

I just download there subs off nyaa
Link in spoiler Mark
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=711371

Yeah, that one.

The fan subber version I watched cause major confusion since Elder Kai mention Beerus being awaken after 39 million years when it's just 39 years.

Yeah thats the one where my initial, fuck you Toriyama, comments came from. If that had been accurate I'd have been very pissed. As is I still find it hard to believe the movie can still be cannon with this show.

I honestly don't see where soo much hate is coming from. It's a new continuity, BOG and RF are no longer "canon" and get over it. Not everyone has seen the movies and some people didn't even want to. Be happy that there is more Dragon Ball and not some fans making their own series like Dragon Ball AF.

I'm just not seeing the hate, ya I liked battle of gods, but I also see the great ways this show can go too.

I dont think the hate is necessarily coming from them redoing the movies but more that it seems kinda lazy to have to whole arcs be a retelling of stories we have already seen.

Because Battle of the Gods is only a few years old and Resurrection F LITERALLY just came out. It isn't a case of them redoing something thats a bit old with room for improvement, its them redoing something that launched Super even happening in the first place. Toei and Toriyama have literally gone "hi guys, thanks for enjoying our movies which we suggested were canon. Now that we've got enough interest to make another series we're gonna throw them to one side and tell them all over again!"

And they probably aren't even going to make them all that different, it'll be little things here and there that don't seem like much but when added up will paint a rather different picture. It's uninspired and lazy to tell the same story twice so soon.

I am happy there's more Dragon Ball, but that nostalgia doesn't make Super automatically free from criticism.

I'm just not a fan of being sucked into something by being told one thing, "hey these new movies? They're cannon with the TV shows and make GT irrelevant! They're the first movies that will be considered cannon with DBZ!" Then immediately after a new series is launched (entirely based upon the popularity and exposure of said movies) these same movies are written out of cannon with new stretched out versions of their stories being the bulk 2/3 of the brand new show that owes it's existence to them in the first goddamn place. It's ridiculous and I think people should be mad about it.

Am I excited for more Dragonball anime? Sure. Always have been always will be. But this is where I have a problem with it. Because Toriyama, the great man god himself is working on this project no one seems to care how willy nilly he's being with continuity. About him just picking and choosing elements to keep or throw out. Nor do they seem to care about getting a rehashed story told in an episodic format that we already saw once in movie form. Only this time the movies don't even count anymore. But their cannonicity is what made them important and relevant in the first damn place. But again because it's Toriyama people seem to turn a blind eye and except the show as is without criticism. And demand that those of us with critiques of the show just get over it.

So no I won't be getting over it or "be happy" about it. I'm rightfully pissed that what was a pretty great rebirth of the franchise has been snuffed out in favor of an elongated and alternate version of the same events. I'd be fine with it if it was simply a retelling, but it's not. It de-canonizes the movies it's based on. So what was the point of them in the first place?

End rant.

Again, I just don't see the big deal here. I'm preferring Super over the movies at this point because there is room to expand on elements of the movies. If I remember correctly seeing a review that said SSGSS did not get shin being achieved or Friezas Training. In this show we can see how all this is achieved, build up to the next universe, and continue for however long Toriyama wants to take the show. Exploring the other various universes, and just seeing where our favorite characters go on these new journeys.

Just because the movies were popular means nothing, so far we are seeing more of Beerus and how he acts. I'm again just not seeing what's truly wrong here.

As I pointed out in an earlier reply to someone else, all of those things could have been done in Super without negating the movies entirely. There's a big difference between expanding on something and throwing it out altogether.

The big deal is it doesn't work because now they have to change everything. Plus, Beerus' awakening scene in BoG was amazing. Here, it doesn't exist becasue he never went to sleep Well, at least it gives them the ability to make the Super Saiyan God thing make sense now since there won't be any pregnant Videl to help out.

EXACTLY. Expansion is great. Give me the elements from the movies that should have been there, that he wanted to include but simply couldn't for time. I'm all for that. But compromising them to the point that they can't be cannon any more was not necessary. The entire premise of them was related to their canonicity with the series. By overturning that, there was literally no point to them existing at all.

Because 2/3 of the entire damn show is being used to retell a story Toriyama already did in animated form. It's a waste.

Super trying to fit in the orginal missing time skip what was 5 years I think

Do you mean from Boo to the stuff in the tournament? If so, that was 10 years.

Buu.

It don't matter manga has it as boo this is official translation by viz due to they are owned by the same company who own Shonen jump

Ah yea. So super also trying to. Fix mistakes it made last time with films but I wish they did not retconned them entirely

Actually, I think he was responding to my question if he was asking how much time passed after Boo's defeat for the last chapters/episodes, not the spelling.

BTW, it is also spelled Boo on the Dragon Box DVDs and in the booklets they come with. :-)