I'm guessing the All Red gear gets used in the movie, and maybe in the finale.

No ED song this season. Seems since Saber got one, the producers decided to skip it for Zenkaiger

https://www.rangerboard.com/index.ph...6#post-6008716

Boo, I want to see those blocky suits try to do anything resembling dancing.

There's no consistency here, and you'll drive yourself insane trying to make any sense of it.

The best explanation you're gonna find is that Gokaiger and all of the Versus movies take place in their own "Versus Universe," which is a distinct branch of the Toei Toku Multiverse where all of the Sentai teams exist in sequential order.

Otherwise, it's best to just accept that all of the Sentai series take place in their own separate continuities. There are some exceptions to this, though, as certain producers like to link all of the shows they've produced into one universe -- which is what happened with Kiramager and Gekiranger. There are also circumstances like Ninninger, which attempted to link all of the ninja-themed Sentai into one world, or Kyoryuger, where all of the members are very familiar with the concept of a "Sentai" team from the very beginning. In those cases, it's usually easiest to assume they exist in the Versus Universe.

In my younger and more foolhardy years, I attempted to formulate a Unified Theory of the Sentai Multiverse. It... got real murder-board-y, real fast. As I've gotten older I've learned not to ask too many of these sorts of questions, as they are typically not things the producers and creators factor into their storytelling or worldbuilding. These days, I let the illogical bombast of Sentai wash over me, and I am happy. :lol

I posted a similar explanation in the thread a few months ago:

Basically, the idea is that each Sentai takes place on its own world, but there’s also a Versus World, where every Sentai exists. That’s where all the Versus movies take place, along with Gokaiger (and potentially Zyuohger). Beyond that, there are relatively few Sentai stories that feature or reference other teams in the bulk of the show itself — Denziman/Sun Vulcan, Kiramager/Gekiranger, Zyuohger/Gokaiger, Kyuranger/Gokaiger (though they are explicitly from different universes), and Ninninger/Kakuranger/Hurricanger/Magiranger are the only ones I know of. We can probably assume that Kyoryuger exists in a world with other Sentai teams, since the characters seem to be aware of the overall concept of Sentai, but it can’t share a world with any of the other Dino teams, Boukenger, or Go-Onger, as they all have completely different (and incompatible) reasons for the extinction of dinosaurs.

That said, this is just a fan theory, and multiple producers of both KR and Sentai have said over the years that continuity is not something they even consider when creating individual shows. At the same time, there have been comments from other producers that indicate all their shows exist in the same universe, apart from all the others.

The point is that Sentai continuity is an extremely complicated subject, with so many contradictions and inconsistencies that arguing about it is a little silly. :lol

Sentai only has a continuity when it feels like it. Otherwise, how the hell did Sena not know who the Gekirangers were considering the Rinjuken attacks on the city on a weekly basis just 10 years ago? :lol

Saber got one cause LupinPatren didn't. If Zenkaiger ain't getting one, probably the next KR show will get one to balance it again.

But didn't LuPat basically have two opening songs (overlayed)?

^^^ 100,000% this.

*taps at Lucha's statement written now upon a blackboard*

Class, I want you all to memorise this and recite this daily. It will save you considerable upset in the days to come.

We should probably shift the conversation back to just being about Zenkaiger before none of us can see it from Tokunation's main page.

I just wanna see how the whole dagashi cafe looks in the show. Apparently they are a thing in Japan and it is basically a cafe or bar that serves cheap mass-produced snacks called dagashi all-you-can-eat style alongside drinks. If you saw the anime Dagashikashi you will be familiar with the concept. Basically they are cheapily mass-produced junk food of all shapes, colors, and sizes.

Thanks to the product video for the two ZenkaiOhs, we have some facts about them.

- Only one Kikainoid controls the combination at a time. This changes (along with the weapon) by opening and closing the head.

- Juran’s standby is based on baseball announcements while Vroon’s is based on boxing announcements.

They stated this is not a form change on the right of the picture. FYI this is an announcement for a spinoff. First ep to be released March 21st JST and final episode to be released March 28th JST.

Perhaps the spinoff will be about the first team to wield what the Zenkaigers now wield.

No wonder there's no ending dance when the opening has the dancing?

Missed opportunity: a Gokaiger-themed seventh hero called Gokaiser.

That might be the name of a Super form later down the line.

Em this lady voice muRe: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMat_-DD...=1526y4k6n5gqn

I hear there's a sound for Saber if you turn Vroon's gear backwards in the Geartlinger.

I wonder if there's any rhyme or reason to the "backwards" gears, or if they're just picked at random?

My current best guess is that the Geartlinger doesn't actually know which way you're turning it, it only reads the sequence of the gear's teeth hitting its buttons, and turning a gear backwards just coincidentally happens to hit the buttons in the same sequence as turning a different gear forwards.

Yeah, that's what it is. There's absolutely no intention here whatsoever, it's all coincidence. At most they maybe foresaw this happening and put in place precautions so super super super important or spoiler-y or special ones couldn't get found, but I doubt it.

I think I have just realized something. If you were to look at the Kikainoids of the Zenkaigers (Zenkai Juran, Zenkai Gaon, Zenkai Magine, and Zenkai Vroon), the Numbers on their foreheads not only represent which Super Sentai they represent, they also show where their placement is in the ZenkaiOh Combinations. The Even Numbered Ones are on the Left-Hand Side and the Odd Numbered Ones are on the Right. Juran represents the Zyurangers, Super Sentai Number 16. Gaon represents the Gaorangers, Super Sentai Number 25. Magine represents the Magirangers, Super Sentai Number 29. And Vroon represents the Boukengers, Super Sentai Number 30. Juran and Vroon, the ones representing even-numbered Super Sentai Series, are both the ones that contain electronics in their toy versions (specifically their Mecha Toys) and make up the Left Half of their ZenkaiOh Combos. Meanwhile, Gaon and Magine, the ones representing odd-numbered Super Sentai Series, are both the ones which contain the face of ZenkaiOh in their toy versions and make up the Right Half of their ZenkaiOh Combos. Another Element of the Combos is that the names of the combos consist of the Name of the Left Half's character minus 1 Letter (ZenkaiOh JuraX and ZenkaiOh VrooX) and the full name of the Right Half (ZenkaiOh XGaon and ZenkaiOh XMagine).
Though, this makes me wonder something. Considering that there has been a limited amount of sounds from what we have heard from "hacking" the Mecha Release of Juran (only 3 Sounds, ZenkaiOh JuraGaon, JuraMagine, and, err, I don't remember), I don't know how many additional "ZenkaiOh" forms that could be made. Considering that the whole gimmick behind More Modern Super Sentai Series is that they have tons of Mecha to allow for tons of Combos, I am personally surprised of just how few sounds for combos can be achieved through "hacking" the Sounds from JuranTyranno.

The third sound is Super Juran. there may be a powerup before there's a way to combine all 4 of the robots.

None of Kiramager's robots combined with each other, apart from Zabyun awkwardly bolting on to Kiramazin as oversized weapons. And the only mixing-and-matching they did was Zabyun replacing Jouki and the little auxiliary weapons being able to be used by any big robot.

It's possible Zenkaiger will take a similar path, and introduce more robots going forward but not make them all combine into one big mega-robot.

I doubt it, considering how unpopular Kiramager’s mecha turned out to be for lacking a combination, in both the east and the west.

I guess, but at least Kiramager had the Weapons. Jetter becoming a Sword, Carry becoming a Shield, Rolland becoming a Hammer, Lifton becoming a Trident, Magellan becoming a gun. Heck, even Duston becoming an effing VACUUM CLEANER. At least there was that.
And Ryusoulger didn't really use its gimmick with the mecha to the fullest. They didn't even use a clustereff Mecha Form (like Engine-O G-12).
Seriously, it has less combos with only using 2 Mecha than KR W/Double. Even removing the Fang Memory and only using combos achievable with Cyclone, Heat, Luna, Joker, Metal, and Trigger gives 9 Combos (CycloneJoker, CycloneMetal, CycloneTrigger, HeatJoker, HeatMetal, HeatTrigger, LunaJoker, LunaMetal, and LunaTrigger), while ZenkaiOh only has 4 Combos (JuraGaon, JuraMagine, VrooGaon, and VrooMagine) even excluding Super Juran like I excluded Fang. Even Gokaiger had more "Legend Sentai-esque" Mecha than the total amount of combos of the Main 4 Mecha, with Engine Machalcon (New Character with similar gimmicks in the toy to the Engine Sentai Go-Onger Toy Gimmicks), Dekamachine Patstriker (Directly based upon the Red Mecha from Dekaranger with the same button-pushing lights and sound gimmick), Karakuri Warrior Fūraimaru (designed as a combination of the qualities of both the Karakuri Ball and Shinobi Machine Tenkuujin), and even both MagiDragon (which would be the basis for Magine's Mecha Form), and GaoLion (the basis for Gaon's Mecha Form.) And think about it like this. Look at all of the Super Sentai Series released after Gokaiger. Go-Busters, Kyoryuger, ToQger, Ninninger, Zyuohger, Kyuranger, Lupinranger vs Patranger, Ryusoulger, and Kiramager. Especially Kyoryuger could have become a basis for a Mecha in Zenkaiger.
Sorry, I guess I am a major fan of Mechas with Crazy Combinations and Mix-and-Match Qualities. With Go-Onger, you could attach Engine Birca, Engine Gunpherd, Engine Toripter, Engine Jetras, Engine T-Line, and Engine K-Line to Engine-O to give him new Arms. With Kyuranger, you could mix-and-match the Limb Mecha to create crazy combos (sort of like a Scramble City Combiner from Transformers). For Zyuohger, it's the Totem Pole-like Combos featuring the 3 Animals, like Cube Eagle, Cube Gorilla, and Cube Condor on Top, Cube Shark, Cube Tiger, and Cube Crocodile in the middle, and Cube Lion, Cube Elephant, and Cube Wolf at the bottom (and of course their redecos from Korea). the Arm Mecha from Kyoryuger, the Auxiliary OtomoNin from Ninninger (Paonmaru, UFOmaru, Surfermaru, and Dinomaru), the Ressha Armament from ToQger. And of course Ryusoulger. But, I just feel like it has a lot of missed opportunities. Modern Super Sentai has a main gimmick like the Neo Heisei-Reiwa Kamen Riders. Modern Super Sentai is all about creating Crazy Combos while the Neo Heisei-Reiwa Riders are all about giving Riders multiple forms with collectable devices like the Gaia Memories, the O Medals, the Astroswitches, the Wizard Rings, the Lockseeds, the Shift Cars/Signal Bikes/Viral Cores, the Eyecons, the Rider Gashats, the Fullbottles, the Ridewatches, the Progrisekeys, and the Wonder Ride Books. All starting with the final Heisei Phase 1 Rider Decade and the Rider Cards.
Though, speaking of missed opportunities, including Decade in Kamen Rider Zi-O could have allowed him to have more Final FormRides from the Neo-Heisei/Reiwa Riders. The original Final FormRide Cards still work in the NeoDecadriver. So, why not make more Final FormRide Cards?
I guess the thing I hate the most is "missed opportunities." If Gokaiger was Kamen Rider Decade, Zenkaiger is basically Kamen Rider Zi-O.

The show literally just started. I think we can wait a few more episodes before deciding "oh yeah, this show missed its mark with the toys and plot and all." Apologies if that sounded rude, but that's the kind of vibe I get when you said that you would compare Zenkaiger to Zi-O.

I don't think using the "Gokaiger is like Decade, Zenkaiger is like Zi-O" line is very objective when we're at the 3rd episode. That's actually more of an insult to Gokaiger than anything else, seeing as Gokaiger is in general much more universally liked compared to the more divided opinions towards Decade.

I feel like we shouldn't just immediately compare a show that is just starting out to a show like Zi-O, when we don't even know of any future mecha that will be sold. In all honesty, I can see Zenkaiger making somewhat more sales than Kiramager due to the vast amount of Sentai Gears that are available to buy compared to the many Mashins available.

I think what I'm trying to say here is that we shouldn't just immediately start claiming that a show is missing opportunities when it hasn't even got the chance to get its foot off the ground. Regardless of what you actually think of Zi-O, it can be agreed upon that its beginning part did not do a good job with the anniversary aspect, with characters simply dropping off Ridewatches upon meeting Zi-O in contrast to the later episodes where they actually have to earn their power, but even then the writing has made the characters at times somewhat annoying, especially when they retreaded the 'Geiz is mad at Zi-O and shall kill him except they shouldn't' arc. While I thought the third repeat of it during Hiryu's takeover of the world was somewhat fine, especially since Geiz didn't display the same amount of hostility as he had when he first met Zi-O, I understand that some people were aggravated by the retreading of this plot line.

Zenkaiger I feel comes off stronger in regards to its anniversary aspects (at the moment anyway, dear god who knows what could happen to mess this season up), even if its more subtle. Even though they aren't focused on an particular Sentai series, it does at the moment appear to be doing a better job (such as with how the Goggle V and Hurricaneger Sentai Gears used in episode 2 is meant to reference how both those series and Zenkaiger fought mecha clones of the MoTW, and how the Zenkaiger's roll call in epsiode 3 pays homage to ToQger). Granted, it is minor, but the heart put into it feels more genuine compared to Zi-O's more shaky start (the only references made to Build in the first 2 episodes other than the two main riders appearing and talking about equations is them becoming Tsunagizu fans, which I guess??? I think having Sento discuss with Sougo about his dreams and how in spite of his destiny of becoming Oma Zi-O Sougo should still strive for 'love and peace' would be bettr than a small joke about them being Tsunagizu fans). So yeah, I think we should wait a bit more before calling Zenkaiger a "missed opportunity".

Sorry if I'm ranting to you and all, and I can see your point about the toys, I just think referring to Zenkaiger as 'missed opportunities' and comparing it to Zi-O is unfair since for one, its a Super Sentai Series, and two, the show has just started. We have no idea what they'll do in the future in regards for the toys, other than the Sentai Gears, so until we know more about it, I think we need to reserve our judgement for now.

Well saying that Gokaiger is better than Decade isn't exactly very objective of you either. Decade isn't objectively bad, nor is Gokaiger objectively good. Those are opinions. I believe the comparisons are pretty apt, with Decade and Gokaiger reusing old suits while Zi-O and Zenkaiger take a more unique approach. The anniversary elements seem to be the opposite though, with Decade and Zenkaiger having AUs and little cameos and Zi-O and Gokaiger having a lot of cameos and unlocking a great power by collecting the gimmick items.

Zenkaiger is also more like Zi-O in how they establish the protagonists' connection to their legendary predecessors, with Zi-O being ordained to inherit the powers of all legendary Riders and the Zenkaigers needing the powers of legendary Sentai just to become their own Sentai, while the Gokaigers are an independent Sentai that merely borrows from others. Even Super Mega Force has more in common with Zenkaiger in this way, with SMF tapping in to the Morphin' Grid and Zenkaiger tapping in to the worlds that the Sentai were split in to. Decade is somewhere in between, since the logos on the DecaDriver show that he was clearly designed to use those powers but he doesn't have the powerful destiny that Zi-O does. So the anniversary hero with the weakest connection to their gimmick seems to be Gokaiger.

Decade is bad because it never finished it's actual plot and never addressed half of the plot threads they set up.

Hello, my name is Matrixbeast, and I despise Kamen Rider Decade. Welcome to my Ted Talk.

Having finally watched all of Decade a few months ago, I'm inclined to agree somewhat. At the end I think I was too baffled to be upset though lol.

I always figured Zi-O was like Kamen Rider's Gokaiger since they actually get the actual actors back compared to Decade's alternative universe with different actors.
Zenkaiger I don't see it as the same thing as Gokaiger. Sure it uses powers from past Sentais, but I don't think it will be cameo heavy as Gokaiger, you can have anniversary elements without bringing in past actors you know.

Guys, guys, please. Can we all stop arguing which anniversary season is best?

The answer is obviously Ultraman Mebius.

Yeah fair.
As I said, I was ranting a bit there. Sorry about that.

...Changing topic, considering how most of the main Rangers are modeled after the mecha in Super Sentai, any possible super forms or future mecha released may also be based on past Sentai Mecha. That said, which ones would they choose?

Gokaiger is the obvious one, seeing as it was a pretty well-liked anniversary series, which I could see being Zenkaiser's Super form. As for the others, the only one I can think of at the moment is ZenkaiGaon having a super form based on Zyuohger's mecha, due to Zyuohger also being a a anniversary season as well as possessing an animal motif like ZenkaiGaon.

The upcoming "6th" ranger is called TwoKaiser, has Gokaiger, Shinkenger, and Ohranger forms, and his mechs are based on Shinkenger and Ohranger.

If the "Dragon Armor" is of any indication, this doesn't necessarily eliminate the possibility of a Gokaiger-themed upgrade.

Tsuruhime (Ninja White) from Kakuranger are appeared in Zenkai Red Great Introduction (Zenkaiger spin-off)

http://www.tokunation.com/attachment...1&d=1616898911

That's cool. More Kakuranger is always fine by me

Nice!! Honestly? I think it's pretty fitting that our first confirmed returning sentai actor is a white ranger who leads her team.

The first White leader of Heisei meets the first White leader of Reiwa. They need to stick together.

This image has been circulating.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exqf2k5W...jpg&name=small

Is it bad that I can quote lyrics from most of the insert songs for the Mecha in this image.