Originally Posted by Locke (Post 172768)

Still, I really like the Base Form and I still really like Gen as a character. At first the whole 'friends with everyone at the school' thing seemed kinda dumb, but then it reminded me of what Roggenbuck said, 'if someone hates on you, be nice to them back, because then they have to deal with that and whatever issue brought them to hate on you in the first place' or something like that. Gen just has a lot of heart, and a lot of conviction, different to Godai though is he actually acts and shows aspects of these convictions. It makes his interactions with Kengo especially really fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Momotachi (Post 172777)

Agreed. I think the one thing that really made Fourze so enjoyable for me was Gentarou's character. His constant optimism, cheerfulness and being seemingly unable to loose faith in anyone never failed to brighten my day. Though I guess that was sort of the point of the character if it's true that the show was written to be considerably happier to help cheer people up after the tsunami in early 2011. Anyway. Back to the point. Gentarou's awesome! :D

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 172778)

I think most importantly though it is done well. Foreverly optimistic characters like him are common in Toku, the difference is, is Gen actually makes mistakes, he actually has an emotional range. He isn't just a print out of a cheesy grin on a stick floating around in front of the camera, steam rolling through all enemies with the power of being the protagonist.

Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 172801)

This actually makes me want to give Fourze a second chance. I really like uplifting characters that aren't pandering or infallible.

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 172804)

Gentaro is fun, but he can sometimes ruin tension. It's not like the WizarDriver completely effing over an entire dramatic scene, but sometimes Gentaro's reaction to what just happened seems too forced, almost like he's in denial, but he's not. He's just surprisingly okay with what just went down.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 172752)

Also I've seen the American adaptation of the Ryuki footage and it was my first Rider series. Most people like to rag on it, I guess because of residual hatred for Masked Rider, but I still think Dragon Knight is a great series that I've watched through three or four times.

Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 172761)

I watched a teeny bit of Dragon Knight, just to see what was up (I don't want to actually watch it if I'm watching Ryuki though, how fucking weird would that be) and it was okay. It was an alrigth adaptation from what little I saw. Like how Batfeet is still an early twenty-something snob with a voice that in no way fits the suit. However I thought the actual transformations were way improved over Ryuki's, abmirably unique as it may be, kinda lame reflections spin onto the dude and he's a rider. Then again Dragon Knight, I think, came out quite some time after Ryuki, so it would've had more effects budget and shit.

BTW, I actually have a few questions and comments before I continue Ryuki. Who is this Olja snake guy? He hasn't shown up yet just he seems to be everywhere and he looks awesome. Is he the villain? All the riders in this show looks awesome and important, like Tiger or Zolda (who I may get after Ryuki since his contract monster seems to be made of BIG FUCKING GUNS that he can then use) so maybe he's just a really awesome looking bit character.

Also, do the production values ever improve? It's hardly destroying my experience or making the show look awful, but it's just noticably odd how the framerate and shit is not like any other rider series.

Also also, I think I might wait until my Figuarts Ryuki ships before I continue because it'd be nice to watch a Rider show for the first time with some representation of the rider themself. Plus I actually quite enjoy the theme song, but the actual intro visuals are cheapsville. I hope they improve it as time goes on. (or ditch that lame shot of the lamesmobile at least) Especially knowing this comes after Agito, where even though the show wasn't good to me, I think it has the best intro of any series ever. (the first version is, though)

Eh, it's alright. It'd be better if it wasn't haunting me in my sleep because they drilled it into my head. It also made every fight feel identical. It was certainly no "Count Zero" which I could listen to on a loop. (at least until the asstacular techno-bubble remix crap in the later stretch)

Then again one of my main complaints with Agito was how offensive to the ears it was. Bad vocal performances, same three scores repeated ad nauseum, generic sound effects.

Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 172816)

I can't stand Dragon Knight. Not because of Masked Rider (never saw it). Not because of it being an adaptation. But because of the piss poor sound effects, acting, music, and most of all, the mcguffin towards the end of the series.

Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 172749)

The thing with Agito is, my personal feelings aside, I know just from reading your opinion of Kuuga that you wouldn't like it because Agito really is just more of that.

Agito, however, has the crutch of the two secondary riders, but only one is any good. No joke, Gills spends most of his time screaming and glaring. He's supposed to have this deep story but spends most of his time just kind of hanging around. It's like he's got this good story, but they cut it up and space it out so thin you don't get to appreciate it, and G3, while better, is largely ineffectual and not fun to watch because of how.... sucky he is until his upgrade. And to top it off, the cop drama is basically episode after episode of some smug asshole twisting events to make it seem like the G3 team sucks in the eyes of the police chief, with them sometime sgetting a few wins. But really it comes across as two children begging for a parent's attention.

Originally Posted by MidoGreen (Post 172820)

That would be Asakura Takeshi, aka Kamen Rider Ouja. He is one of the best characters in the show. If you like him now, wait till he gets his deck.

Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 172828)

I don't know who he is, but I want his Figuart.

Originally Posted by MidoGreen (Post 172833)

His Figuart is awesome, and so is the Genocider.

Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 172839)

But it is very esspessive. :o

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 172865)

I actually liked that Tachibana's issue is mostly just all in his head. It's a level of depth that both expands beyond 2 episodes as well as greater characterization that other secondary riders receive.

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 172878)

*Than others, not that others :lol

Anyway, I agree. I do have to say it felt like the Mutsuki stuff dragged, but otherwise, it balanced the 3 riders quite well. Aside from Garren sometimes bamfing in just for a fight scene than having no impact other than "He showed up to fight", it really felt like the characters were still growing beyond their significant character arc.

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 172865)

I actually liked that Tachibana's issue is mostly just all in his head. It's a level of depth that both expands beyond 2 episodes as well as greater characterization than other secondary riders receive.

Originally Posted by Battlizer (Post 172945)

I like that as well. I like all three of the riders so far. Designs for all three are awesome too. I really want to know what top scientist designed such amazingly intricate and elaborate gear all with a playing card theme. Whoever they are, deserves a nobel prize.

Originally Posted by Battlizer (Post 172945)

I like that as well. I like all three of the riders so far. Designs for all three are awesome too. I really want to know what top scientist designed such amazingly intricate and elaborate gear all with a playing card theme. Whoever they are, deserves a nobel prize.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 173143)

The worst part about Fourze so far is Shun but he is clearly intended to be a moronic douchebag who is so unlikeable you can taste the bile, so they achieved exactly what they wanted to achieve then.

Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV (Post 173144)

You will eat those words later on, I guarantee it :D

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 173146)

Do they develop him into someone awesome then? I can't wait, I love characters like that and I was hoping that was coming.

Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV (Post 173148)

Definitely, Shun is without a doubt one of my favourite Fourze characters.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 173143)

The worst part about Fourze so far is Shun but he is clearly intended to be a moronic douchebag who is so unlikeable you can taste the bile, so they achieved exactly what they wanted to achieve then. This has been a great series so far, even despite a lot of shit said about it, but then again I like a lot of series other people rag on.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 173168)

So far I've really enjoyed this series despite a lot of haters for it in the thread, I'm enjoying it a lot more than OOO which I am watching alongside it.

Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 173187)

Fourze is a good show with a lot of likable characters. The main thing that held it back for me was that, especially as you get into the second half, the villains really lack any clearly defined motivation, which keeps the overall plot from feeling like it's going anywhere much of the time.

Well, that and Yuuki's rapid descent into total madness.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 173143)

This has been a great series so far, even despite a lot of shit said about it, but then again I like a lot of series other people rag on.

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 173265)

I think Amazon returns to the more limited speech because that's how he's more recognizable.