Originally Posted by Dave Zero1 (Post 875193)

What people need to keep in mind about Project R.E.D. "failing" is that for Toei to change course and and say pivot back to super sentai Project R.E.D. would not "just" need to fail... it would have to "SPECTACULARLY" fail.

Ratings and merch sales would have to be below what Super Sentai has made in the past few years. If lets say Project Red does the same as Gozyuger then they will stay the course because there's always a chance it could get better and according to recent interviews they seem to have an "at minimum" five year plan of worldbuilding in mind.

Furthermore from what I understand I understand what sold the most in the Super Sentai merch was the Roleplay Henshin Devices while the rest of the figures and "Zords" sold poorly in Japan.
And if the Toy listing leaks for Gavan Infinity are true The toys are the gun (which is said to be the Henshin Device) Robots that transform and combine with the gun and batteries you insert in the gun to make different sounds.
This is a clear indication that they are hedging their bets and are backing what they belive to be a winning marketing strategy.

Now, will it work? Only time will tell.

But failure seems unlikely, again, failure being PR performing worse than SS. if it performs as well as SS then they can just coast and try to retool the show until ratings/sales improve.

Originally Posted by Dbenavidez (Post 875205)

now i feel so dumb to said that.

Originally Posted by Mesnick (Post 875190)

Anyway, I've already been answered, but to be more specific, I'll recall the situation with the Kamen Rider revival in the late 80s. Back then, despite Black's strong start, it all ended after just two shows. Yes, it was a different time and a foregone conclusion, since Toei was competing with itself, making projects for different channels. But they still decided to bet on a more stable franchise.

Originally Posted by Grupletruge (Post 875207)

Listen, don't worry too much about it okay. I think I over-reacted a little, I'm sorry about that. The holidays are kind of a tough season for me. Me trying to act like I'm so much smarter is probably dumb too, if that makes sense. We're all a little dumb in our unique way, is my point I suppose haha, so its not strange.

If it makes you feel any better, I've said a lot of dumb and embarrassing and even mean things in a lot of places and I've been banned from places i really liked for it, I think thats why I over-reacted.

We'll both be better next year, I'm sure. Happy Holidays to you.

EDIT: Also just wanna add that i was wrong before in our chat about sentai ending haha, I think i laid out good evidence, but I like to admit when I'm wrong



I had forgotten that detail, and i think its really insightful to bring up. I always found it interesting, people point to it as one of the greats but it also ended up as an experiment at the end of the Showa Era (at least for the series, the subsequent Rider movies might be considered the continuation of that experiment).

I guess my thought is that we had something very similar with Super Sentai, right as its ending we got a few really a-typical series, with odd approaches to continuity, and homage. TV was really rapidly changing then, similar to the way it is now moving towards streaming, and some of the instability is due to Japans economy and world politics as well. I have to wonder if this will have a similar outcome, I think the Heisei era of Rider was fantastic and made all the necessary changes to move forward.

Lets hope that this break will lead to a patch of weird cool other stuff for a moment, and then a powerful revival. And maybe this means Gavan: Infinity will be as cool as KR Black lol? Fingers crossed!

Originally Posted by Grupletruge (Post 875265)

Please don't post 3 times in a row :|

Look at any of your posts right now, look at the very bottom of it, you'll see a button that says EDIT. You are supposed to be using THAT BUTTON To ADD ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS TO YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENT. It is not appropriate to comment 3 times in a row (espescially to repeat the same thing twice). I'm not trying to be mean, just to help.


I'm not aware of any 4th Gavan, or any Toy leaks.

Originally Posted by Grupletruge (Post 875265)

I'm not aware of any 4th Gavan, or any Toy leaks.

Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha (Post 875270)

The first wave of toy listings leaked last week, and there is a fourth Gavan, called "Gavan Death." This Gavan is taking the role in the toyline that the sixth ranger usually would.

And according to the leak, the main three are called Gavan Infinity, Gavan Samurai, and Gavan Hikari.

Also, yes, there is a whole mecha line. It's a main "warrior" robo, which is the same as the changer gun (like Tegasword), that attaches aux mecha vehicles as weapons. There's also a second "warrior" robo that belongs to Gavan Death.

EDIT: There's also evidence of a fifth Gavan debuting in Q1 as well.