So in twenty years the ending of Dairanger will be a thing?

Gokaiger 34. Luka, the only member of the Gokaiger who is more fun whenever she's tasked with playing someone other than her actual character!

Being serious, as much as I like the flashbacks to Luka's past, I can't help but feel it's like I've jumped into a completely different show. I mean look how brutal the Zangyack are shown in the past, if they are happy to just drop their warships into the atmosphere and indiscriminately unleash hell...why have they been sending down one monster at a time on Earth? Yes, because then there'd be no show, but it's up to the show to convince us of these kinds of things or not raise these kinds of questions in the first place.

And that isn't mentioning the episodes creepy obsession with Luka's appearance, it was simultaneously insulting to the entire audience as it was to the characters themselves. Especially considering, although I don't care much for actresses performance, Luka has been able to be a core part of the team, and not just a skirt tacked on to stop the audience complaining like Ahim basically has been. So just resulting Luka to "the pretty one" was kinda disgusting in my books.

It's easy to blame Zangyack's lackluster performance during the series on Warz Gil's incompetence, but that reason doesn't hold up towards the end Ackdos Gil shows up to take over the invasion.

Even that doesn't stick that well though, because the action commanders chosen by his generals - who are all played straight, well maybe not Insarn, but all the rest - are all comedy goofballs week after week. I think there have been maybe, what, three of the week villains so far that weren't played entirely for laughs?

I just think they're fucking shit man, they're so boring, they aren't funny OR fun and they've so far achieved NOTHING even though I'm getting very close to the final stretch. It feels less and less like hyperbole in saying they are the WORST villains in the entire franchise, possible some of the worst villains in the whole of tokusatsu.

This show has so much going for it, but the Zangyack somehow manage to make even the best moments in this show feel utterly dull. I wish I got the villains in Luka's past.

I'd actually say you're allowed to call Zangyack the worse villians in the franchise. I mean the the goofy as hell Gaiarks from Go-Onger are a more credible threat than you are, you're rather pathetic :lol.

As I get closer to the end of the series, I feel less and less into Gokaiger. It's a show with great parts, but not really a great whole. Like I actually like the gimmick a lot, for example, but I actually don't really like how they've executed the tribute aspect at all. It's things like that that plague pretty much everything I like about the show.

I think Gokaiger could have been a full blown masterpiece, everything is in place for it to be utter perfection, but without a stronger cast of villains and without any real sense of focus on cohesion it just sorta ends up a mess of great ideas, which are increasingly poorly executed for worse and worse results.

The Zangyack are actually amazing to me so I completely disagree with you. I think they're, without even the slightest bit of hyperbole, the best villains in the franchise I've seen. While there are many super serious (Jetman) and completely comedic (Kyoryuger) villains I think Warz Gill's crew is the perfect middle-ground.

I find Warz Gill hilarious, Barizorg very interesting, Insarn fun and Damaras is a bigger badass then pretty much any Sentai villain ever when his time comes. I love them all and actually was incredibly disappointed when Akudos Gill arrives and the Zangyack become serious. Warz Gill is exremely divisive though I love him so much it hurts, but others equally hate him so much it hurts.

But yeah, there's a very big difference between the Zangyack forces in Luka and Joe's memories compared ot Warz Gill's fleet, which becomes a plot point in a few episodes. You saw a glimpse of them in the Shinkenger tribute and they don't fully arrive until the finale three-parter. All the Action Commanders chosen are still from the ships around the Gigant Horse.

I think Warz Gill is a failed comedy act, Barizorg utterly wasted and deserving of a better show and Damaras has done nothing in almost forty episodes - he is the embodiment of boredom. Insarn is the only one I actually like, probably because she is the only one shown to actually do anything but she still fails at the most basic criteria for being a villain.

Different strokes, I guess. Warz Gill amused me right until the end.

Although I question how Insarn doesn't fit the "criteria of being a villain" she's an evil scientist working for an evil invading army. What criteria are you using? I mean, if being incompetent means you're not a villain then almost no children's show villains are really villains.

She's not just an incompetent villain, she's an incompetent character. You know scratch what I just said, Damaras is the best of the Zangyack, since as he tries to do nothing he can't actually physically fail at anything as regularly as all the others do. Insarn deserves credit for being the only Zangyack to do anything but as a result she's like the only one of them to have ever lost or failed at something. You know failed at something other than being engaging.

I honestly can't see how someone could not find Zangyack engaging sheerly through their entertainment and quirks. I know its all subjective, but I find the Zangyack incredibly entertaining, which is not something I'd be able to say about villains such as the Goumin or Warstar, therefore I think they succeed very well. When the villains inevitably were killed I was really sad to see them go, which is incredibly rare for a Sentai villain. And its not just me, the success of them is clear with the merchandise of them released alone, getting what I believe is the only villain-specific art book in the entire franchise and one of the very, very few Sentai villain Figuarts plus a statue.

And I can't fault a Toku villain for failing. I mean, come on, the entire genre is based on villains of the week coming down, being defeated and then replaced next episode. If you have a problem with that then you've got a problem with the entire genre. Even darker villains like the Vyram failed each and every episode.

Sentai has plenty of crappy villain teams, but the Zangyack are definitely not among them.

I gotta say, I LOVE that show. But even I can't find them terribly redeeming as villains. The Commanders they sent in each episode were mostly forgettable aside from the awesomeness that is Jealoushitto.

But Warz Gil was an oaf. Insarn I found particularly useless. Damaras was a fantastic design though he hung around too much in the background before breaking out his badassery. I actually really liked Barizorg and the resolution of that characters' arc with Joe. Akdos Gil, after Damaras, was the first to feel legitimately threatening.

But overall? They're fairly forgettable bad guys. I don't think it detracts from the show though. Honestly I find a lot of Sentai villains to be mostly forgettable. But there are definitely winners out ther like the Negaztive Syndicate, Kenma, Orgs, Bandora Gang, Bouzack, etc

Well it appears for once that I'm with the general consensus, that the Zangyack are a crappy bunch of villains and characters. My favourite villains are dudes like Juuzo or Dereputa. Neither will change your life, but both get involved early on, achieve things and provide that 'shit got real factor' that is a surprisingly rare thing for sentai. If great, operatic, complex villains are always going to be out of sentai's reach, we should at least get villains who can throw our heroes through walls and provide a sense of threat.

The difference with the Zangyack is they have literally achieved nothing, they haven't even achieved anything temporarily. Yes every toku villain group is incompetent to a point, but they still get victories even if they are small. Basco has achieved more in like five appearances than the Zangyack have done in the thirty four episodes I've watched.

And yes they've achieved a lot OFF SCREEN but their conquering of the universe may as well be functioning in an entirely separate spin off series, as their actual invasion of Earth is so pathetic and such a far cry from that it barely even lines up.

So what is the difference between the victories the Zangyack have made against the Warstar or Gedoushu? I can't think of any victories either made in their series outside of the final few episodes of their roles as adversaries, which exactly the same as the Zangyack, although their late victories are actually much more notable then Warstar and its fellow Goseiger Villain teams. Basco is Gokaiger's Juuzo, filling the role of an arch-nemesis to Red who is not directly affiliated with the main villain teams, so there's no need for the Zangyack to have one as well, too many "bad-ass" character is jut as bad as having none at all or over-using them leads to nothing but Villain Decay in a Tokusatsu show, which is why both Basco and Juuzo being used sparingly is so good.

And people have already explained that the failure of Warz Gill's invasion compared to the rest of the Zangyack is an actual plot point, not just a plot hole. Akudos Gill's fleet arrives later, which includes all the planet-destroying generals.

But Dereputa? That's just an example of how subjective this topic is. I can barely remember him outside of his first two confrontations with Alata.

Because I wasn't speaking for entire factions, I was speaking for standout characters and the point that there are none in this show for me. Even Basco, who I really WANT to like is in so few episodes I forget he exists until he suddenly reappears and rocks my world. I can't wait for that next wave of Zangyack then, I hope they hurry up as right now the villains are pure boredom.

Dereputa dies after those fights, so you remembered him just fine.

I can't help but disagree because I loved the Zangyack so much, but I definitely see where you're coming from and can understand why you have that opinion. I do personally think the Zangyack were more successful then the majority of Sentai villains because of how entertaining they were for me. I truly am not exaggerating when I say that they're my favourite group of villains in all the PR/SS I've watched.

I personally was not big on the second wave of Zangyack because I missed Warz Gill and thought Akudos Gill's lack of character beyond generic evil emperor was a big step back from his characterful son, but hopefully you enjoy the show more when they arrive.

Gokaiger 35.

This episode proved how great a cowboy sentai could be, if it was ever done. It also made me want to watch Go-Onger, so I guess it succeeded as a tribute episode. So all in all, pretty good. Have either Go-Onger or Changeman been subbed? And are they any good?

Changeman isnt as far as I know but Go-Onger was subbed by TV-Nihon and Go-Anonger.

Go-Onger is fully subbed, but it's more of a comedy series.
Can't comment on Changeman.

I guess I'll give the first episode of Go-Onger a go and see how I find it.

Go-Onger 01. This opening episode had some impressive visuals and some great ideas, it was a lot of fun, even if there wasn't a whole lot to it. There were a lot of pretty shameless 'buy this shit' shit in the episode though, and I mean that even by regular sentai standards so I'm hoping it'll calm down a bit later on.

Gokaiger 36.

Wow Go-Onger gets a two parter as well, huh? So is this show huge in Japan or what, what is going on here? At least it was better used than the Hurricaneger two parter.

I mean this episode was genuinely great. MachFalcon is probably the only bit of Gokaiger mecha I'd be interested in buying. The villain factions fighting over the Earth was great, especially as Barizorg and Insarn so rarely get to stretch their legs. And that Go-Onger tribute morph was FANTASTIC.

Yeah the Go-Onger 2-parter was really fun, and fairly in line with the actual series. Good stuff all around.

And seriously I'm not nit-picking here, just clarifying. But the name actually is Machalcon. It's a common misconception that there's an "f" in there. And the Super Megaforce version being called "Turbo Falcon" doesn't help. But it really is just Machalcon.

Over-Time translate it as Mach Falcon in the episode, though?

Yeah they do. There was a reason for it, but it was 2 years ago and possibly the one bit of sub trivia that's slipped my mind :lol

EDIT: Dug it up because I was curious;

Machalon sounds dumb anyway. I much prefer MachFalcon.

DeadFish had all but two episodes of Changeman done (not sure which ones, DFF was really random about episode order). I'm not sure how good they were or how easy they are to find after Megaupload went down with all of the DFF subs.

They just subbed random episodes?

21 and 25. You don't need either one to get the main plot of the show, but... yeah. I do like 21. Especially because it's about how Hayate (who plays Burai later in Zyu) is tone-death.

Yeah, I don't get that either. Why fansub random episodes? They should be done in order.

The guy who was that group wanted to sub his favorite episodes first, then fill in the rest. That's pretty much why Changeman is the only project he (almost) finished (although he did get about 75% of Metalder, missing out just the third quarter of it).

Mah Brothah!

Who rated this thread three stars? :lol

Gokaiger 37. Someone's clearly been watching Mikazuki!

This was a pretty solid episode, even if it was a tad unfocused. The Dogormin were made to look extremely lame on their first appearance, so I don't get why they were introduced at all but both Barizorg and even Walz Gil got to be awesome this week. And if all the great action wasn't enough, we got some really nice character moments slotted around and threaded through the action.

Something Random. What I find interesting about GoGoFive is that in it's literal translation, it already is translated as Go-Go Five. But I also see it is a pun being like 99 sentai 555. But hey, I only get these hunches from the internet and google translate.

Gokaiger 38.

So wait the Gokaiger Ultimate Power is...another piece of Go-Onger merchandise? Why? Is Go-Onger really that huge in Japan? Conceptually Ultimate GokaiOh is actually kinda cool looking, but the the big, clunky, flappy suit leaves a lot to be desired. I'd much rather a much more streamlined final form, that doesn't appear to completely limit the actors movements. That is why I'd much rather the heroes got a mech like Great Walz than the usual stacked mess they get as final upgrades. In some contexts it kinda works, like in Go-Busters as it sort of made the suit feel powerful and heavy to have the actor so limited in his movement but the context isn't really existent here.

Joe and Barizorg's final showdown was great, although I kind of wish they had done more with this story. You think having the heroes established from the start would give them greater freedom to explore what makes each hero tick, but instead pretty much every Gokaiger has a half finished backstory, but some are slightly more barebones than others - like I know next to nothing about Gai or Doc. Joe and Barizorg feel like wasted potential but it especially doesn't help that Marvelous has been reduced to a bad, stock, shounen protagonist.

Gokaiger 39.

Walz Gil dies and we get a filler episode immediately afterwards?! I know what this episode pretends to be, but this was pure filler... This was probably one of the worst tributes, just because it was so utterly boring and throwaway. I mean it wasn't quite as offensively bad as that Gaoranger tribute, but if you are a MegaRanger fan this episode probably left you feeling like shit. That said the tribute morph as usual was pretty awesome and a good advertisement for the respective series.

The true saving grace of the episode though is Basco, he's basically tacked onto the show, despite being so important within it - how'd they even manage that? - but he's an utter badass and he's definitely the best villain now Great Walz has been destroyed along with Barizorg.

My problem with Barizorg is that it was clear his story was going to be a letdown the moment they revealed the transformation was irreversible. The fight was nice, but the actual story was stagnant beyond "We need Joe to have some kind of connection."

And hey, you found out why I'm not a Marvelous fan :lol

I knew it'd be a letdown from the moment of its inception, only to not be mentioned again for like twenty episodes. But yeah, I liked Marvelous a lot at the start, but he's really been doing a Daigo lately and rather than Daigo learning what he's doing is wrong forcing him to embrace his team, Marvelous is supported in his one man army gig and it's just sorta dull.

Almost on the Gokaiger final stretch so let's talk about Go-Onger 02.

I feel like I want to like this show more than I actually do, the general production values are great but it's really, really boring outside of the action sequences and full of unlikeable characters. I don't feel like giving up on it yet, but I hope later episodes carry the imagination and personality from the action, into the bits which don't involve fighting.

Gokaiger 40. I guess this episode would have meant more if Timeranger was even subbed, I honestly didn't have a whole lot to take away from this. They went backwards in time and found themselves in the middle of a battle where the Shinkenger and the Goseiger are teaming up...and it is never as awesome as the set up sounds. Meh.