Huh, can you link it anyway? I'm super curious what you see in Kabuto that you don't in Ghost. Unless it's just the lack of Onari, because I can guess that.

Pretty much, yeah. It's a very middle-of-the-road series for me.

http://www.tokunation.com/showpost.p...ostcount=13052
http://www.tokunation.com/showpost.p...ostcount=13067

The ranking at the end is outdated by the way.

Interesting. It seems like it mostly does come down to it fitting your tastes. You're able to brush off a lot of the flaws because you like the show overall. I can dig that attitude. I've seen people who really hold stuff like the Hoppers against Kabuto so it's nice to see someone look past all that.

I like your point about serious characters in wacky situations making for stronger comedy than just wacky characters. I've NEVER had a problem with guys like Onari, and I think they work in their own way, but I'm inclined to agree with you in a broad sense.

People held the Hoppers against Kabuto? I loved them!

I think plenty of people like them in concept, but found the execution kind of weak. It's not like I can speak for everyone, though. I might be wrong about that, but it's what I've seen.

Weren't my cup of tea, but I LOVE the hopper suits.

The Goth life does not fit these characters and the ending to their ark is not satisfying to me at all.

Onari at a basic level is not the problem. The problem is that he never changes. There are so few situations to appreciate him as a character, for me at least.

To make a comedies relief character work I need more development. I need to know why he ticks like this. I need at least an entire episode devoted to him which lets me look behind his act, the show never gave it to me. And then there's the fact that this is a supporting character who actively sabotages the main Riders actions even though we know he should know better. That's just unacceptable.

I can life with Shunpei. I like him for what he is. He has flaws, he has strengths. There’s an entire episode devoted to him helping a former friend out with Haruto staying in the background. Ghost never did this with Onari. I love Oren. He’s about the silliest and goofiest character in a long time, but behind the cliché gay facade is an ex-soldier who paid with blood to be like he is now, to live his dream.

Never does Ghost even try to make me like Onari. The scenes with Javel and that one line where he talks about his "sinful" past is the only time this character is allowed to be human, not a puppet which constantly dances after Takeru’s lead.

Wasted potential is what he truly is. Because as we know the actor is a cool guy, and judging from his acting skills I can imagine how funny he could be if they would write him as a real character. But they didn’t. He’s just a clown who always circles around Takeru. Which is why what some call his biggest accomplishments, him talking about how much he supports and cares for his master, is meaningless talk to me. It doesn’t feel right. Especially not after the "I posses Alain now just because"-stunt he pulled lately. Which had no consequences by the way.

Also I probably started another giant discussing about Ghost with you even though I didn’t want to. Yay.

:( :cry

I'm just pretty much done tasking about Ghost, nothing personal. And we both know we will never agree on the major factors of this show.

I would rather talk with you about some good shows, so I hope Ex-Aid is either good are at least we both enjoy it.