they're people who will write off every SMT game that doesn't have Kaneko doing all the art.

trust me, the old school fans are the most fair weather I have ever seen.

Mr Sanobaron I would like to thank you for the use of fair weather as I picked up a new term today. :)

I see that is an issue for this and while I can understand that may be a turning off point the artstyle used here is a good and I would bring up the point of not having the game to judge but I made that previously already.

In short, there are people who will not even try games because of looks.

Well, a big part must be the shock, going by the original teaser a regular crossover was expected, something like Marvel VS Capcom, Project X Zone or Super Robot Wars.

The actual reveal however showed a game that fused ideas from both worlds, yet looked like neither, it seems interesting for sure, but for those who hoped for grid based combat/demon negotiation/etc. it came out of nowhere.

It's definitely an overreaction, you can't really judge much from such a short trailer, but the shock was real and people have exploded in the past for lesser reasons.

Oh... joy baskets.

Posted in the wrong thread Den-O. :)

like, seriously, they will hate the games if they aren't the darker and more dreary themes of old SMT.

I'm all for the old and new stuff, but I feel the old school fans need to get the stick out of their ass for a lot of things.

the current team have proved they aren't afraid to tap into the charm the old games had (several remakes of the old school games and SMT4 having that classic feel to it, not to mention some amazing art). I don't even hate Kaneko's art, I just shit on it to shake the pedestal people put him on.

and don't get me started on how people are so obsessed with shit like the boobs in Devil Survivor. lemme say this to start, if one of your major complaints about a video game series is how boobs are drawn, TO THE POINT WHERE GRAPHS ARE MADE, I'm sorry, but ease the fuck up.

And yet I still love Persona 1 after all this time. Really though all of the Atlus artists have their strengths and weaknesses. Kaneko does the best creature/persona designs but his humans look very lifeless. Soejima does better people but he doesn't seem to put the same effort into designing symbolically evocative Persona like Kaneko did.
I don't think I'd call myself an old school fan since my first Megaten game was Strange Journey and I worked my way back from there. But I find that the older games have more, let's call it substance, than a lot of the newer games did. But the newer games benefit from years of improved design philosophy in some areas. So again, there are trade-offs to the pre and post PS2 era Megaten games.

I for one miss having a 6 man party in the Main line games since both SMT I and II do interesting things with that party size. It's not something I noticed my first time through SJ, but once I saw how the Law and Chaos aligned characters were actual party members and not these FF III esque attachments to the party it made me realize why I felt the interactions with characters like Jiminez/Zelenin in SJ, and Walter/Johnathan in IV seemed lacking.
I mean I can understand coming down on the people who won't shut up about the art differences between games but it's a fair point that there are some pretty hilarious, and also bad art decisions that have happened over the years. Do I need to post the graph? Because I still have that file on hand.
In hindsight, the original trailer doesn't say much of anything except that Atlus and Nintendo were still interesting in making a game. I don't know who made the decision to show-off every protagonist from every mainline SMT game and Fire Emblem game but it probably wasn't their best call.

Leaving fans to stew on that trailer for a couple of years didn't help either.
Which is weird because the Megaten series, much like the Final Fantasy series, has visited the Tactical RPG genre in the past. Atlus and Intelligent Systems knows it can work but they went for what appears to be a turn based system instead of implementing a strategy game.

There's also the comparisons between the visual styles of the game and the Persona series. For people expecting similar visuals to the mainline SMT games (somewhere between cyberpunk and gothic horror) having a title set in yet another high school is a slap in the face.

I'll still play it, but until I can see something more about the gameplay it's the kind of game I'll wait for someone I know to get before I play it.

you don't need to post the graph. the graph stuff is on a different thing than art rants.

and again, I don't hate the old school stuff. I love the P2 series. I feel they improve everything I hate about P1. the characters look great and more unique from each other, the battle system is VASTLY improved, the layouts of the areas you're in don't have this weird background void (which always felt depressing even when you were in a happy place like that pharmacy in P1).

you even mentioned how Kaneko's art style has lifeless human characters, the best way you can compare these is look at the PS1 version of Eternal Punishment, then look at the PSP version of Innocent Sin, the characters have pigmentation and look alive. I love the remakes of P2, and I hope we get the other half of those.

also, I will say Soejima can do some symbolic designs when he wants to, my main point for that argument being Izanagi.

Cause I'll do it.

Which is why P2 stands as my favorite of the series. They fix what was broken, (mostly), and improve their storytelling.

I think theirs a fan group working on the PSP version of EP.
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And I rib on people who diss P1 just to mess with them but honestly I'm playing through Revelations: Persona (not the PSP version) and my goodness is this game a Playstation One RPG. It's really dated and aside from the more atmospheric music the PSP version is proving to be the superior version. If only for speeding up the movement speed in dungeons and giving better indication of character attack ranges.

What?

Yeah, it didn't really specify anything, but created certain expectations amongst people.

Yeah, Devil Survivor was a super cool way of doing a grid based Megami game, it feels weird to ignore such a vital element of FE and a popular one in Megaten.
Though for all we know, it could be implemented another way, just not as the core of combat.

It's not like persona are the only school related ones, but yeah, it's the first thing to pop into mind.


What!?

Are you guys serious!?

There is also the "Majin Tensei" series which is two games that are literally fire emblem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JwGHohR3g4

I mean SMT: If... takes place in roughly the same setup as P3 and P4. You have a high school setting and you go to these themed areas and return to the school as a kind of hub.


You hear that Sano. Someone hasn't seen the graph yet. I'm not to blame for this someone asked.
http://i.imgur.com/lLb2jMP.jpg