You know what happens when you ask for teams before Zyuranger? We get Super Megaforce. Do you want that to happen again?

No I do not. All I wanted was an explanation for the Dairanger suits and look what fucking happened! Imagine how they'd explain Maskman or Changeman!

Both of which were in Super Megaforce too, and none of them had an explination. "Access legendary powers!" From where you giant tiki-torch?! THIS IS WHY GREG BRADY THREW YOU AWAY!

Weren't they 'powers never before seen on Earth'? Or at least, the New Powers/Dairangers were.

That's not any better.

Has anyone noticed that it maybe possible to take the front and back pieces of the Red Zeo Racer Zord and use them to make new arm's for the Legendary Megazord? It definitely looks a lot better than the usual way to form the Legendary Zeo Megazord.

Or as we like to call it...

an asspull.

In no way should it happen again, but based on what did happen, we cannot ignore what needs to happen. The only way to account for the enormous oversight in allowing Pre-Zyuranger teams to appear is to essentially embrace the "sin" of their inclusion and make them full-explained canon. Of note, we should only use the teams which were truly shoe-horned with specificity: Changeman, Flashman, Maskman, Fiveman, and Dairanger.

Or we could keep continuing to ignore the Tzachor-Seasons, pretend they never existed, and bury them where they buried those old copies of ET for Atari.

Explain that to the children who probably keep asking the parents: "Where did these suits come from? I've looked on Netflix and can't find them in any of the older shows? And why did I never see any of their toys?"

If we start ignoring these seasons, then we are no better than those who ignore the Disney-verse. In allowing it, however, we add to the P.R. mythology and make it more unique while merging its lore with that of Sentai. And while Saban might not be the type to want do something many may view as "superfluous", I think he might accept if there was an acceptable toyline to boot.

P.S.: They found more than just ET in that dump. On top of that, many have since reexamined the condemnation of the ET game since the discovery.

Change-Maskman dubs and a couple exclusive figure packs and Megazords?

...hmmm.... Zord-builder Flashking. I can't tell if that's blasphemous to Super Sentai or not.

Except it's really only the adult fans that care.

Yeah....this is so true.

That's what the Internet is for. Kids these days have those fancy phones or other gadgets as most of us never did back in the 90's or early 2000's (pre-2003 or 2004). We have a PR wiki that has info on Sentai seasons. If kids use Google to look up it then it won't be much of a issue. The Internet when the original Saban era was running in the 90's was not as big and mainstream as it is now.

Maybe that's why we, the last children from before the Internet Age, are thinking this way. It's how we would have reacted to this in our time.

No direct dubs of Sentai. I defend a "sister series"; a P.R. anthology series that answers many of the unanswered questions of the franchise from across the board, translating 20+ years of continuity contradictions. Something that focuses on no one team in particular. Changeman, Flashman, Maskman, Fiveman, and Dairanger deserve this than the ultra-aggravating "New Powers" or just merely "Squadron". I simply believe that since Super Megaforce made the mistake, they should apologize for the mistake by embracing the mistake in a more creative fashion. Should such a series ever come to fruition, the unexplained and confusing aspects of Megaforce/Super Megaforce could not only be explained, but make those wildly-considered "bad" episodes a touch more palatable. View the new and the old together, and a more complete picture comes to mind.

P.S.: Zord-Builder Flash King works only if you alter the parts and transformation. The jets have this fascinating bar-work "skeletal structure" so-to-speak which extends and interlocks with the tank to form the complete body. The jets would have to forego this unique measure in favor of physical separation so as to justify the Zord-Builder ports and staple features, if you want to call it that.

God, as much as I want Flashking, Zord Builder would just kill it. The bars to create the arms, legs, and base that the jets use just won't flow well with Zord Builder. Knowing how they operate, they'd just have the jets split in two to for the arms and legs, rather than having their rather neat transformation.

I dissagree, all it REALLY needs is the shoulders to be ZB ports. After all, Kyoryujin didn't get ZB knees.

And that is exactly the point. Kids don't care. Only we care because we know Tzachor was lazy and did not give a damn.

"Kids don't care". Was this not the perceived mentality for Tzachor and Co. during Megaforce/Super Megaforce? Despite that, it doesn't matter whether the kids are that inclined to learn more or not, though it is naive to think that children know enough about Super Sentai as the parents don't even know enough about P.R., but that doesn't matter either. I defend the "embrace of error" because the lapse in editing judgment has inadvertently added to the lore of P.R. and that lore has been aggravating to those who detest P.R. and its perceived butchering of Super Sentai. If we right off Sentai forms as a "needless burden that requires no further explanation for they predate P.R. and therefore have no place in it", then we as a whole do the Super Sentai a disservice and are content to wallow in the incomprehensible elements of the P.R. Universe (or Multiverse if one accounts for alternate timelines and multiple dimensions). Super Megaforce promised way more than it delivered and that is something the fandom has to come to terms with. This does not mean that we can't add something more to it that will ensure that such mistakes do not happen again. If Saban was to embrace these SELECT older teams, then it will act as insurance to ward-off additional oversights. If Saban was to embrace these SELECT older teams, then he will have new life in an older package most don't even realize is old, and new interest breeds income from merchandising. On top of that, if people realize that Saban does use the teams, it will inspire interest in older Sentai teams, and people will want to know more (honestly speaking, Changeman surprised me). If we lazily right off certain mistakes as too big of a mistake to concern ourselves with, are we no better than those we deemed "lazy" during the Megaforce/Super Megaforce timeframe?

What is the point you're trying to make?

Simple, instead of ignoring the Pre-Zyuranger Sentai teams which were horrendously incorporated into Super Megaforce, adapt them for P.R., preferably in a separate, stand-alone series that attempts to answer long-standing continuity questions. Surprisingly, there seems to be some resistance in this position of allowing Changeman, Flashman, Maskman, Fiveman, and Dairanger to live in P.R., but I'm not trying to start something, just suggest it.

Who would fund this sister series? How would it make a profit? What is gained for Saban Brands and the Power Ranger brand by doing it? How cheaply can it be done; can it only have voice actors or are face actors needed? Would anyone watch it? What commercial appeal does it have to the target audience? What stock footage is useable? Can these things be toys? How successful would this sister series toy line be? How much in sales would the sister series potentially take from the main toy line?

These are just a few questions that would be asked before Saban Brands even considers doing this. It is a good idea to explain things to the adult fans, but the kids don't care. In those episodes they saw Troy and that is all that really mattered to them (red is the most popular). Although this could be a great fan project and present it to Saban for them to sign off on making it cannon (don't know how possible or likely that is).

It should be officially produced and handled. It's profit would be from older viewers and younger "toy happy" kids. Lot of different questions in the franchise that the fandom has never gotten answers to, so there are tons of reasons. Cheap is a relative term. Some episodes would focus on costumed stuntmen and voice actors, and others might have an actual person appearing; I'm thinking something like "Goosebumps" here. Commercial appeal is that kids and adults who like P.R. would be interested despite initial fears of failure, but I would like to see it put on the air when the primary series is on break, so that the ever-prevalent Nickelodeon gap is not so glaring and devoid of product. Anything that has not been used up to this point, from Shinkenger, to Goseiger, to Gokaiger. There has always been footage that doesn't get used and that does help justify some of this. Of course there will be toys-galore, it's the only way this can survive. Pre-Zyu teams getting American toys, as well as those who should have gotten toys from a previous line like Super Megaforce can get one here. The line will succeed depending on what figures are produced and whether there is enough diversity to call it "respectable" merchandising. Wouldn't there be people who would like a 5 inch. Brajira/Vrak or even Emperor Mavro? How about a little Ninjor? The line can appeal to young and old alike as young likes toys and will flock to the newer characters, especially the ones they remember, the older ones will flock to more classic interpretations, especially the ones they remember. The fandom has debated franchise questions which I'm sure they would like to see get a worthwhile interpretation of. That and the nostalgia factor help to validate such a project and its worth. I honestly believe in the idea.

And yet sadly the idea won't get made. Saban only has a certain budget to throw out at the different a shows the company does. There will only ever be one current season of power rangers, no more. Your point of seeing this past series isn't going to go any where in reality. There is VERY little market and value in doing it, Saban Brands will continue to focus on the current series and plan for future adaptations of recent Super Sentai Series. Also the kids and more than likely the majority of adults either forgot about it or don't care. It's the past it happened move on, make fan fiction,,but writing up long posts isn't going to change a thing.

Honestly all I ever wanted was a Retrofire Wonder Gosei Great made from the Retrofire Gosei Great.

Unless you're Tommy.:lol

He's more remembered as Green and White though.

I think the mech designs for the Pre-Zyu teams mentioned are too blocky, but that is just me. I also don't think word builder would look great on them, but they could still sell. Now with the sister show airing during the hiatus...I think that is a bad idea. That is the prime time that Nick promotes getting out and playing and if the same time slot is kept (noon on Saturdays), that is optimal time for kids to be out playing/being with their families. It would be weird if PR told them to stay inside and watch a show with a bunch of characters they are being caught up on. The nostalgia factor doesn't apply here in the US though; these older teams are not part of the first audience's childhood, nor did most of us know of these teams until fairly recently. And the kids that these teams would be marketed to have no idea who they are. Now what you are describing would probably be pretty popular in Japan, but you can't tug on the nostalgia strings when those shows didn't air here, nor did their stock fight footage.

I still don't think Bandai is dumb enough to put out a competing toy line when their main line would still be on the shelves. Releasing new toys of the show is how they keep kids interested in the show during the break, so why would they compete with themselves? What little sales they might get from the sister show would be money taken away from the current show.

I understand your reasons for wanting this show to be made and I agree with them, but there is nothing for Saban Brands and Bandai to gain by making it. You are looking at this from an adult fan's perspective and not a business perspective; Saban and Bandai would lose more than they would gain from doing this. The fans would gain more knowledge of the Power Rangers legacy, but that could be supplemented with online shorts on the official website. It doesn't need a show.

And the footage would look terrible on modern TV's. Imagine old Flashgun footage on a 70 inch plasma...horrible. Lol

I can explain most of this. The time slot is flexible, and it might be better if they did this when all they have is syndication on the air. If you have a superfluous show on at night, then there is justification and little conflict with "fun in the sun". Second, the older teams are only partial to the idea. I'm referring to EVERYTHING FROM 20 YRS OF P.R. HISTORY. This could encompass anything: History of Zordon and Gosei, Vekar and Vrak prior to the Invasion, the unexplained interim between Zeo and Turbo, the fate of Scorpina, Rito Revolto, Gasket and Archerina, the backstory to the Machine Empire Generals from "Forever Red", when did Zedd and Rita have Thrax, possible Scorpius and Captain Mutiny interaction, why Ninjor made Power Coins based on DINOSAURS!!! I could probably say more, but if you take all of that, then you have a whole different story worthy of its own series, and there likely isn't a better way than a "sister series" to explain why Pre-Zyu teams are in P.R. That is where the nostalgia factor kicks in! That is why and how you can garner fan support! If TV movies and online shorts are required then there is some flexibility there as well. And the competition between toys would not be so detrimental that you can't work around it. Remember, Saban already did competition back in the day with VR Troopers, Beetleborgs, and Mystic Knights. Plus, Bandai already did similar "Legacy" things before and now. "Power Playback" lines, Retrofire Megazords, and the upcoming and highly anticipated Legacy Thunder Megazord. And Super Megaforce toys are still on shelves if only in small doses. It wouldn't even have to be called "Power Rangers _____", as that would confuse people. The show and the line would need something unique, but simple and definitive like "Legacy of Rangers." However, Saban would only recognize the need if fan support was strong enough, and luckily, there is a buck to be made when thinking P.R.

P.S.: I had NO INTENTION of relying solely on outdated Sentai footage. Changeman, Flashman, Maskman, Fiveman, and Dairanger were made when TV ratios were different. Ever seen Dragon Ball Z Kai on Toonami? That and the age would conflict horribly. The benefit here is that four of the five had movies which MIGHT have been done in widescreen, and that is something to consider. Add that with unused Gokaiger footage and some New Zealand shoots and there might be a chance. The rights to the movies, like the 199 Hero Special, would also be beneficial and necessary. I'm also not saying that the teams would appear every two seconds. They should (and would have to) be used rather sparingly, but when focus should happen, IT SHOULD HAPPEN IN FORCE!!!

But Toku Knight, any of this idea would not be made, there is no nostalgia. Sure it's cool to know that there were sentai out of Zyuranger, but that's it. Zyuranger became the original Mighty Morphin, people grew up with that, but there is nothing with Pre-Zyu. Dairanger has some nostalgia, if only for the Megazord Footage.

Although the only way for your idea to come to light would probably be through Boom! They are now doing comic books for Power Rangers, but still that chance is like smaller than an atom.

There is nostalgia in fan debate. 20 yrs. of history prior to Super Megaforce, then we had to unbearably look at Pre-Zyu in Super Megaforce; shoe-horned in without detailed explanation as to why. That is what I am truly getting at. People showed some enormous aggravation at the Pre-Zyu Inclusion during the "Legendary Ranger Mode" changes, and some thought that they should be given greater detail. Dairanger was the first as "New Powers". Here is a mere consideration as how to handle that "greater detail". Pre-Zyu is only one singular, microscopic detail compared to the greater whole, and the greater whole is what I want to defend. There is definitely a certain naivety in my stance on the matter, but that does not change its validity. Super Megaforce made mistakes, but that can be corrected and all the confusing elements from Mighty Morphin' through Super Megaforce can be jumbled together to create newer episodes. While they would be traditionally standalone pieces, they would loosely come to together with each build-up to create an interwoven tapestry and all the questions all the fans have asked over the past two decades can finally have a chance at not only being brought to the surface, but settled in an acceptable and respectable manner; no single cast, no single team, no single focus.

TokuKnight, I get what you are trying to say, I really do, but doing something like this would still cost money and without merch to make that money back, there is no reason to go on this venture. That is exactly how Saban Brands would respond while also saying that it is a cool idea.

Having the show on late defeats the purpose of it being a kids' show. That would aim toward the adult demographic and I am sure that Nick would not air it. They just wouldn't. If this stuff went online (where Saban and nick could sell the advert dollars to help fund it) that could be more realistic, but it still wouldn't make enough to justify it's production.

And VR Troops, Mystic Knights, and those other toku shows that Saban did weren't direct competition to Power Rangers. They were all different shows that appealed to different audiences. That is why only one of those is still on the air. Even in Japan, those shows don't/didn't compete because they attract different audiences and are marketed to different audiences.

The Legacy line is marketed to adult collectors, the main toy line (that gets a wider release and at a much more affordable price point) is where the vast majority of the toy money comes from. Look at it this way; there are tons of people that want to collect all the figures and zords from a season. Those are released across two years. A person spends more on buying five rangers, the main megazord, the villain figure, and the henchman than they do on one TRU exclusive megazord. That is why Legacy line toys are sparsely released whereas main line toys are hammered away over the course of 24 straight months.

And starting a legendary line of toys wouldn't garner as much money as you think. Five teams of rangers (20 figures) four megazords (if they even do those since they weren't seen in the show...they could just say it was before megazords were a thing), and potential for figures of the villains and allies during the footage of their backstory. Sure, let's get a pregnant Rita 5 inch figure. That would look...awkward as shit on a display. Or have an episode where the Zeo rangers are just hanging out before karate tournament at the beginning of the Turbo movie. Or a young Ninjor fig (I would actually buy that, so that is a legit idea) and why he chose dinos for the original power coins (or were they since there were five previous teams?).

This show just isn't a smart business venture. Even with great fan support, I think Saban Brands would not even consider doing it. Would Chip Lynn run this? Cause he is busy on the regular season, but you know who is available and a family friend of Haim Saban's? Jonathan Tzachor; consider that for a sec. All of your ideas as handled by JT. Let it sink in.

So if Nick wouldn't air it, the toy line wouldn't make enough money to sustain the show, JT could end up as the show runner, and the big wigs at Saban wouldn't see the profit in producing the show, I would think that it wouldn't happen. The best bet (read that as cheapest option for Saban Brands) is to address this stuff in the comic books as MrHerofan stated.

Legendary Zeo Megazord
 

I have just learned that not including the center piece of the Red Zeo Racer Zord that you can take one half of the zord to form a new arm and the other half for the other arm before putting the center piece into the chest of the Legendary Megazord, which means that you can form a slightly better version of the Legendary Zeo Megazord instead of placing all of the parts onto the same Zord Ports that you would normally use for all five pieces of the SPD Zord. Has anyone else realised that?

We could have a dark season in the future ?

The odds of there being a dark season in PR are about as likely as Kamen Rider getting another crossover here in America.

Those times ended with Jetman, I believe.

Have you ever seen how up-in-arms parents get about kids' shows? That could lead to a change of time slot or an early end for the season.

We got Jetman?